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Post by drmemory on Aug 28, 2024 19:31:41 GMT
Sadly, the fairy in the purple-haired body is probably dead, consumed for the court. Possibly as fuel.  Do we know for sure who takes care of fairy souls? I assume it would be Coyote but am not sure it was ever formally stated. Side notes - we know the court manufactured the bodies the Foley kids use. We also know there are some odd things about these bodies - for example, the ability to do very high-end data processing and math. I suspect the fairy and animal souls are just used as power sources for these meat puppets. I wonder what else is going on here? Can they suck out the ether and use the souls to power their machines, as I fear has happened to Purple? On a related note, if that is indeed what has happened here (soul was used up or directly taken as fuel), then would it even be taken care of by Coyote or a Psychopomp, or would it just be... gone?
If the court is perma-killing fairies and animals, that would pretty much put Omega's arguments about the court being benign to bed...
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Post by Gemini Jim on Aug 28, 2024 19:35:43 GMT
I really want Annie and Kat to start unplugging the Foley students, if they can. What's the worst that could happen? The Court stops getting their Hidden Figures computation? They stop getting fairy brain ether-nol fuel? Maybe in addition to babysitting the two boys, Rey can figure how just what the tendrils are doing to the Foley students, and how to stop them? Because I doubt that the Foleys are even aware of what's going on. |
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Post by todd on Aug 28, 2024 23:46:42 GMT
If the court is perma-killing fairies and animals, that would pretty much put Omega's arguments about the court being benign to bed...
She'd probably argue that they aren't humans (and that the fairies, at least, are just products of human imagination, so that it isn't really killing what never truly existed - "From nothing they came, and to nothing they return"), and so what happens to them doesn't matter. |
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Post by novia on Aug 28, 2024 23:54:35 GMT
I've got a bad feeling that Shadow is about to discover the thing shown in the background of panel 3 of the last page.
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Post by arf on Aug 29, 2024 2:18:01 GMT
You can tell we're nearing the end because everyone seems to be dying like its going out of style. Will Carver kill Kat like Kit* killed Khaleesi? (From the turning Ether, a final episode gives a despairing cry: NO-OO-Oo-oo-oo-o.-..-..!) * Harrington. ie the 'Snow' body. |
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Post by drmemory on Aug 29, 2024 3:05:17 GMT
If those vines are data connections, Kat ought to be able to tap in. Or hack in, whatever. If they are just power taps... then probably not.
Either way, I don't see them helping her enter the ether. The fairies and forest animals can do so thanks to their minds. The court made the bodies though, and those seem to be more like mobile compute engines. Still, maybe the tendrils will let Kat do something or at least see something.
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Post by drmemory on Aug 29, 2024 3:07:21 GMT
If the court is perma-killing fairies and animals, that would pretty much put Omega's arguments about the court being benign to bed...
She'd probably argue that they aren't humans (and that the fairies, at least, are just products of human imagination, so that it isn't really killing what never truly existed - "From nothing they came, and to nothing they return"), and so what happens to them doesn't matter. Possibly, but she would surely see that is a weak argument, unlikely to convince Annie and most of the humans. She still thinks of herself as a living being, I bet. |
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Post by blahzor on Aug 29, 2024 5:39:37 GMT
Dead dead. My charitable interpretation is that this is an unintended consequence. If I turn out to be wrong on that point I will be surprised but only somewhat, as the Foley kids seem to be lesser-thens in the Court and have been for at least one generation. It's not too far down from that for a society to decide that the lesser-thens shouldn't really have the same rights as people and work them to death, particularly when there's a really big crisis (like a war, mass evacuation, etc) and it's expedient to do so. I'm leaning towards intended. Rather than Zimmy being their next etheric siphon target... I wouldn't be surprised if this was instead always their contingency for if the plan to harness Coyote didn't work out. They're more reliable. Always thought it was weird why the Court stipulated Hollow Fairies' souls be kept separate from their bodies before they passed the test. Notice the strings between body and soul on this page. I think it's the same strings we're seeing here—can't wait to discover where they physically lead. "But what about ex-animals? How would they figure into this equation?"  Goodbye! This reminds me. Annie is slow on the uptake. She asked the worker at the grow and transfer place if they were a Fairies or Animal after being told the court explicitly had all fairies female and all animals male. The only grace of Annie is maybe not knowing their gender? And it was Cardiff |
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Post by Cori on Aug 29, 2024 7:45:28 GMT
This reminds me. Annie is slow on the uptake. She asked the worker at the grow and transfer place if they were a Fairies or Animal after being told the court explicitly had all fairies female and all animals male. The only grace of Annie is maybe not knowing their gender? And it was Cardiff Pretty sure this was intentionally a joke about the person at the facility being androgynous/indeterminate gender. I don't think this is a fair example of Annie being "slow on the uptake". Now, Annie not figuring out Kat and Paz's relationship right away, or William and Janet, those might be better examples. The caveat there is that everyone else is slow on the uptake about William and Janet too. It does seem like the tendrils are draining the Foley students like some kind of battery, hence them being "more tired" than usual. Lavender was just the unlucky first of the bunch to be emptied entirely. It's weird that none of the Foley kids brought that up to Annie when she spoke to them, though. You would think that the death/"she's just...gone" of a classmate would concern them. I...think you are VASTLY overestimating both the attention span and depth of empathy that Foley students typically have. Even if Lavender had died hours ago, I can quite easily believe that the entire class of kids here either completely failed to notice (being far too busy frolicking in the Ether), or else noticed, but breezily assumed that she was probably just off hiding somewhere.
To be clear, I'm not saying they wouldn't care if they DID know she was dead, but their...let's say, unique perspective, makes it pretty easy for them to miss things like that.
We have never seen the forest folk react to a true, legitimate death. The hollow fairies want to "die" to pass the test, which is why they were so flippant about it--they know it's not a permanent death and they're actually getting something they really want from it. Ayilu's faked death was not taken seriously by either the classmates or the narrative because it was just that, fake. The closest we got to seeing a forest folk experience true death was when Jeanne tried to stab Ayilu, and Red was so traumatized by it that she couldn't sleep at night. So, no, I don't think their unique perspective makes them numb to actual death--whether it's physical, etherical, or otherwise. That said, Annie remarked that they seemed "tired". Maybe the loss of energy they are experiencing is making them less aware of their surroundings. Or perhaps they have already resigned themselves to oblivion. Hard to say without seeing them for ourselves. |
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Post by Geekette on Aug 29, 2024 9:17:56 GMT
I was also going to refer to Renard's words back then. No psychopomp showing up might mean that there is nothing for them to take. Alternatively, the distortion might prevent psychopomps coming in from outside, which Annie and Kat sidestepped because they were already inside.
But the distortion doesn't prevent spirits showing up, as we've seem in the death of new people's Saitama. IMO "nothing to take" is more likely I suppose that if we want to get super navel-gazing, we don't even know if any of the foley students have something for the psychopomps take to at all when they pass. The girls in particular already died; the court is their 'what happens after'. Where does consciousness end and soul start and all that. That seems a bit heavy for the comic though. Maybe its less 'gone' and more 'somewhere else, untethered'. They did want the new world to be a closed system after all. So, for example, anyone caught between the different 'decompression doors' (to extend a visual analogy) would be cut off and lost between. The body passes, but what there isn't gone, so much as already elsewhere. |
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Post by yellowb on Aug 29, 2024 11:35:03 GMT
This reminds me. Annie is slow on the uptake. She asked the worker at the grow and transfer place if they were a Fairies or Animal after being told the court explicitly had all fairies female and all animals male. The only grace of Annie is maybe not knowing their gender? And it was Cardiff Pretty sure this was intentionally a joke about the person at the facility being androgynous/indeterminate gender. I don't think this is a fair example of Annie being "slow on the uptake". Now, Annie not figuring out Kat and Paz's relationship right away, or William and Janet, those might be better examples. The caveat there is that everyone else is slow on the uptake about William and Janet too. I...think you are VASTLY overestimating both the attention span and depth of empathy that Foley students typically have. Even if Lavender had died hours ago, I can quite easily believe that the entire class of kids here either completely failed to notice (being far too busy frolicking in the Ether), or else noticed, but breezily assumed that she was probably just off hiding somewhere.
To be clear, I'm not saying they wouldn't care if they DID know she was dead, but their...let's say, unique perspective, makes it pretty easy for them to miss things like that.
We have never seen the forest folk react to a true, legitimate death. The hollow fairies want to "die" to pass the test, which is why they were so flippant about it--they know it's not a permanent death and they're actually getting something they really want from it. Ayilu's faked death was not taken seriously by either the classmates or the narrative because it was just that, fake. The closest we got to seeing a forest folk experience true death was when Jeanne tried to stab Ayilu, and Red was so traumatized by it that she couldn't sleep at night. So, no, I don't think their unique perspective makes them numb to actual death--whether it's physical, etherical, or otherwise. That said, Annie remarked that they seemed "tired". Maybe the loss of energy they are experiencing is making them less aware of their surroundings. Or perhaps they have already resigned themselves to oblivion. Hard to say without seeing them for ourselves. Ayilu's fake death WAS taken seriously by everyone except Red. She was the only one of the fairies who remembered that Ayilu does this regularly to get attention. The rest of the fairies were under Ayilu's illusion. And because Annie was also under Ayilu's illusion, she accidentally named Red ("Red, how can you be so cruel?") and then the illusion broke. As for the person from Cardiff whose sex was indeterminate... or rather, who looked weird for a human... that was a joke about Welsh people. |
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Post by Cori on Aug 29, 2024 12:17:06 GMT
Ayilu's fake death WAS taken seriously by everyone except Red. She was the only one of the fairies who remembered that Ayilu does this regularly to get attention. The rest of the fairies were under Ayilu's illusion. And because Annie was also under Ayilu's illusion, she accidentally named Red ("Red, how can you be so cruel?") and then the illusion broke. As for the person from Cardiff whose sex was indeterminate... or rather, who looked weird for a human... that was a joke about Welsh people. Okay, let me rephrase that: Ayilu's fake death, while taken "seriously" by her classmates, was still not portrayed with nearly as much solemnity as Lavender's death here. All of the students under Ayilu's illusion were behaving dramatically and over-the-top, like they were in a stage play, and I believe that this was also due to Ayilu's influence. The demon worm she summoned was mourning her too, for goodness' sake. It might have been "real" to them, but their reactions were what Ayilu expected and wanted them to be, rather than genuine. The illusion broke when Annie named Red, because it went against Ayilu's script and surprised her out of her act. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 29, 2024 12:37:28 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 29, 2024 12:39:38 GMT
This reminds me. Annie is slow on the uptake. She asked the worker at the grow and transfer place if they were a Fairies or Animal after being told the court explicitly had all fairies female and all animals male. The only grace of Annie is maybe not knowing their gender? And it was Cardiff What does Annie thinking that a person looking like that might have been a former fairy or animal to do with said person's apparent gender? I was also going to refer to Renard's words back then. No psychopomp showing up might mean that there is nothing for them to take. Alternatively, the distortion might prevent psychopomps coming in from outside, which Annie and Kat sidestepped because they were already inside.
But the distortion doesn't prevent spirits showing up, as we've seem in the death of new people's Saitama. IMO "nothing to take" is more likely Good point. Annie should see the soul if there was one. Another question that I just asked myself - we don't know which psychopomp is responsible for fairies, or if it makes a difference if they have changed bodies, do we? We assume Muut is responsible for the Shadow People, but that is most likely the case because those are creations of a North American deity (Coyote), so what about the fairies?
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Post by guntherkrieg on Aug 29, 2024 13:34:48 GMT
Talk about a soul-sucking job. No one told them that if they die in the Court, they die in real life! It's the smell!!! |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Aug 29, 2024 13:37:48 GMT
"Hey Gary, working hard or hardly working, ahahahaha" |
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 29, 2024 19:25:09 GMT
I...think you are VASTLY overestimating both the attention span and depth of empathy that Foley students typically have. Even if Lavender had died hours ago, I can quite easily believe that the entire class of kids here either completely failed to notice (being far too busy frolicking in the Ether), or else noticed, but breezily assumed that she was probably just off hiding somewhere.
To be clear, I'm not saying they wouldn't care if they DID know she was dead, but their...let's say, unique perspective, makes it pretty easy for them to miss things like that.
We have never seen the forest folk react to a true, legitimate death. The hollow fairies want to "die" to pass the test, which is why they were so flippant about it--they know it's not a permanent death and they're actually getting something they really want from it. Ayilu's faked death was not taken seriously by either the classmates or the narrative because it was just that, fake. The closest we got to seeing a forest folk experience true death was when Jeanne tried to stab Ayilu, and Red was so traumatized by it that she couldn't sleep at night. So, no, I don't think their unique perspective makes them numb to actual death--whether it's physical, etherical, or otherwise. That said, Annie remarked that they seemed "tired". Maybe the loss of energy they are experiencing is making them less aware of their surroundings. Or perhaps they have already resigned themselves to oblivion. Hard to say without seeing them for ourselves. Man, this is SPECIFICALLY why I tried to add that clarification after the bulk of my last post. Let me try again, with better phrasing (and more links!) this time:
I'm not saying that the fairies are "numb to actual death". Fairies might be pretty different from humans, and can often appear kind of shallow, but we have plenty of evidence so far that they're (by and large) perfectly capable of caring about the happiness and well-being of their fellow creatures! If Lavender had been, say, stabbed in the face by a big angry murder ghost, I'm sure her entire class would be flipping the f*ck out right now!
However, I'm actually saying that their lives and culture are so wildly chaotic, overwhelming, and focused on everyone grabbing the maximum amount of attention for themselves by any means necessary, that it's fairly easy for someone to drop off of their friends' figurative radars by just quietly strolling away from the center of activity. Thus, if a Foley student just suddenly vanished from the Ether with no warning (say, because they had been very gradually drained of life energy for hours on end without their knowledge), it might be a while before any of their classmates noticed and seriously started to wonder if they're OK! That's what I meant when I said they "might miss things like that" - not that they wouldn't CARE if someone died, but that they wouldn't notice right away that they HAD died, unless it was a very loud and obvious death.
Also, something that just occurred to me while I was grabbing all those links: even if the Foley kids noticed Lavender was missing from the ether, it might be fairly easy to glance at her upright, sitting, physical form and logically conclude that she's fine. Even Annie and Kat didn't know she was dead until they both checked her out in the Ether AND checked her physical body's pulse, after all. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 30, 2024 6:20:19 GMT
A hypothesis that I don't really have a factual basis for and am assuming the null until/unless the comic provides evidence otherwise: I am not a maths but I think in addition to astronomical applications some of the formulae on the boards can be used in weather and climate models, maybe. If what the Foley kids were working on was crunching data for Omega, then Omega might have been able to access the kids in a special way thanks to the distortion; Lavender might be the reason that Omega is running around and able to assume the form of a Noob, among other things. If so, then that might be what Omega means when she says that the distortion has helped her and she just wants to live. Lavender's just one person, after all. Okay, Omega's just one person too but she's given up so much and contributed so much more to the Court, right? And the Foley kids were getting left behind anyway when the Court goes to the stars, so... |
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Post by yellowb on Aug 30, 2024 9:23:10 GMT
A hypothesis that I don't really have a factual basis for and am assuming the null until/unless the comic provides evidence otherwise: I am not a maths but I think in addition to astronomical applications some of the formulae on the boards can be used in weather and climate models, maybe. If what the Foley kids were working on was crunching data for Omega, then Omega might have been able to access the kids in a special way thanks to the distortion; Lavender might be the reason that Omega is running around and able to assume the form of a Noob, among other things. If so, then that might be what Omega means when she says that the distortion has helped her and she just wants to live. Lavender's just one person, after all. Okay, Omega's just one person too but she's given up so much and contributed so much more to the Court, right? And the Foley kids were getting left behind anyway when the Court goes to the stars, so... Intriguing. However... I think it really is Lavender who we saw hooked up (tendriled up?) 4 pages ago, and that it wasn't a mistake on Tom's part. And consequently, that she died only a moment ago. Be that as it may, though, the part I really don't get is how Omega would get a NEW PERSON body because a fairy died (a fairy that doesn't look like her and whose body is still there). |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 30, 2024 10:29:45 GMT
I think it really is Lavender who we saw hooked up (tendriled up?) 4 pages ago, and that it wasn't a mistake on Tom's part. And consequently, that she died only a moment ago. I'm not sure that follows. I do believe that was Lavender with tendrils a few pages back but if the tendrils represent devices (or the effect of same) then the connection wouldn't necessarily be severed immediately on death. I'm inclined to think the color change is a g-rated version of lividity which would mean Lavender died at least half an hour ago, however in #2983 the color change does not appear to be present... but on the other hand, she's losing detail in the background so that normal color may not be meaningful at all. How long does it take for a connection to time out or a device to sleep? Not less than half a minute, maybe, but it's probably more like 10-30 minutes. Of course there's a lot we don't know going on here. Maybe it wasn't a timeout, maybe they quit after she died because there was nothing left to take at that point, or maybe they quit before she died because there wasn't enough to be worth the while but the fatal damage was already done. I'm thinking about half an hour, though. Be that as it may, though, the part I really don't get is how Omega would get a NEW PERSON body because a fairy died (a fairy that doesn't look like her and whose body is still there). Lavender's death is probably incidental. The former fairies had gifts like being able to change what people see. IF that hypothesis is correct (and I'm still assuming the null unless supporting evidence appears in the comic) then Omega took something from Lavender that allowed her to manifest in the form (or appearance) of a Noob. Omega wouldn't have had to desire Lavender's death, Omega just needed to want something more than she wanted Lavender to remain alive, or maybe wanted to take her team Edward membership to the next level. [edit] Why a Noob? If it's a form of Omega's choosing she probably chose it for ease of infiltration, the same as "Loup" did. [/edit] |
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Post by Hatredman on Aug 30, 2024 12:10:28 GMT
Void (quoted the wrong post).
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Post by Hatredman on Aug 30, 2024 12:12:38 GMT
What happens to humans who are completely removed from the source of life? I'm still getting "don't look up" vibes. |
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 30, 2024 13:32:15 GMT
What happens to humans who are completely removed from the source of life? I'm still getting "don't look up" vibes. I’m thinking Stepford Wives. And to be explicit about what I suspect is happening with the Foley kids - I think the souls of those who have passed ARE the Star Ocean - not just the fuel source. |
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Post by Hatredman on Sept 2, 2024 1:18:52 GMT
I'm still getting "don't look up" vibes. I’m thinking Stepford Wives. And to be explicit about what I suspect is happening with the Foley kids - I think the souls of those who have passed ARE the Star Ocean - not just the fuel source. Appalling. Now I'm not only wishing for Omega to die. She has to die very slowly and suffer all the way down. She'll sit on the lap of Satan. Aata and Lannwellyn should suffer and die too. Even Arizona. |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 3, 2024 15:06:52 GMT
I’m thinking Stepford Wives. And to be explicit about what I suspect is happening with the Foley kids - I think the souls of those who have passed ARE the Star Ocean - not just the fuel source. Appalling. Now I'm not only wishing for Omega to die. She has to die very slowly and suffer all the way down. She'll sit on the lap of Satan. Aata and Lannwellyn should suffer and die too. Even Arizona. Come on, man. You could at least wait to find out if eyemyself's theory is true, and if yes, whether any of these people knew about it before wishing death and suffering. And even then, come on. |
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Post by eyemyself on Sept 5, 2024 22:15:00 GMT
Appalling. Now I'm not only wishing for Omega to die. She has to die very slowly and suffer all the way down. She'll sit on the lap of Satan. Aata and Lannwellyn should suffer and die too. Even Arizona. Come on, man. You could at least wait to find out if eyemyself's theory is true, and if yes, whether any of these people knew about it before wishing death and suffering. And even then, come on. As and aside, I do not cosign or condone the wish of an appalling death on anyone, real or fictional, regardless of whether or not my theory is true. I do think the court is knowingly and intentionally exploiting anyone and anything related to the ether - likely because they perceive things connected to the ether as "not real" and therefor disposable. But when one party is discrediting the intrinsic worth and value of another party to justifying exploiting them in horrible ways - flipping the script is not the answer. Violence always begets more violence until someone, somewhere decides they've had enough and tries something different. |
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Post by Hatredman on Sept 6, 2024 9:51:27 GMT
Come on, man. You could at least wait to find out if eyemyself's theory is true, and if yes, whether any of these people knew about it before wishing death and suffering. And even then, come on. As and aside, I do not cosign or condone the wish of an appalling death on anyone, real or fictional, regardless of whether or not my theory is true. I do think the court is knowingly and intentionally exploiting anyone and anything related to the ether - likely because they perceive things connected to the ether as "not real" and therefor disposable. But when one party is discrediting the intrinsic worth and value of another party to justifying exploiting them in horrible ways - flipping the script is not the answer. Violence always begets more violence until someone, somewhere decides they've had enough and tries something different. Well, while you were arguing about righteousness and justice, there are two deaths now, and there will be more, thousands. The Court is a genocidal party. Aata is their Goebbels and Omega is their Himmler. So yes, they have to be stopped and the death penalty is an efficient deterrent. EDIT: not only the Court is a genocidal bunch, ther are a SINGLE PARTY GOVERNMENT. All their members use the same uniform. Ring a bell? |
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Post by yellowb on Sept 6, 2024 13:03:52 GMT
As and aside, I do not cosign or condone the wish of an appalling death on anyone, real or fictional, regardless of whether or not my theory is true. I do think the court is knowingly and intentionally exploiting anyone and anything related to the ether - likely because they perceive things connected to the ether as "not real" and therefor disposable. But when one party is discrediting the intrinsic worth and value of another party to justifying exploiting them in horrible ways - flipping the script is not the answer. Violence always begets more violence until someone, somewhere decides they've had enough and tries something different. Well, while you were arguing about righteousness and justice, there are two deaths now, and there will be more, thousands. The Court is a genocidal party. Aata is their Goebbels and Omega is their Himmler. So yes, they have to be stopped and the death penalty is an efficient deterrent. EDIT: not only the Court is a genocidal bunch, ther are a SINGLE PARTY GOVERNMENT. All their members use the same uniform. Ring a bell? You do know Gunnerkrigg Court is still a work of fiction, right? |
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Post by eyemyself on Sept 6, 2024 15:15:26 GMT
As and aside, I do not cosign or condone the wish of an appalling death on anyone, real or fictional, regardless of whether or not my theory is true. I do think the court is knowingly and intentionally exploiting anyone and anything related to the ether - likely because they perceive things connected to the ether as "not real" and therefor disposable. But when one party is discrediting the intrinsic worth and value of another party to justifying exploiting them in horrible ways - flipping the script is not the answer. Violence always begets more violence until someone, somewhere decides they've had enough and tries something different. Well, while you were arguing about righteousness and justice, there are two deaths now, and there will be more, thousands. The Court is a genocidal party. Aata is their Goebbels and Omega is their Himmler. So yes, they have to be stopped and the death penalty is an efficient deterrent. EDIT: not only the Court is a genocidal bunch, ther are a SINGLE PARTY GOVERNMENT. All their members use the same uniform. Ring a bell? ”Slaughter them all for hurting us” is partly responsible for why we have at least four real world genocides happening right now. When violence is the first line response to violence the cycle just repeats. Ceasefires. Disarmament. Negotiations. And treaties. These are the things that can halt mass violence. Sometimes killing is unavoidable, but defaulting to retaliation just continues the bloody cycle in perpetuity. Vengeance is not justice. |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 7, 2024 16:43:06 GMT
And to be explicit about what I suspect is happening with the Foley kids - I think the souls of those who have passed ARE the Star Ocean - not just the fuel source. Star Ocean as synthetic replica of Ether is an appealing theory, but if many spirits were lost before, the Guides would try to do something about this long ago, and at least pinpoint the problem. It’s not like it was surrounded by Jeanne on all sides. Well, while you were arguing about righteousness and justice, there are two deaths now, and there will be more, thousands. The Court is a genocidal party. Aata is their Goebbels and Omega is their Himmler. Psst. Tumblr is over there. Maybe try to backtrack and look at the road signs near Albuquerque more carefully. All their members use the same uniform. Ring a bell? Hmm. I remember only one guy who could not understand the meaning, etymology and entire point of “uniform”. He is a character from another comic. Which probably is not the reference you had in mind. ”Slaughter them all for hurting us” is partly responsible for why we have at least four real world genocides happening right now. When violence is the first line response to violence the cycle just repeats. And is it not almost a tiny little bit strange how things rarely went far down this road before?.. Uh… i mean… This room is completely elephant-free! |
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