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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 12, 2024 7:08:06 GMT
I agree, it was worth a try. The distortion might have helped. It's still (probably) not impossible, they just have to figure out the trick to it. |
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Post by aggadahGothic on Aug 12, 2024 7:13:38 GMT
It is odd that Omega is apparently unable to read minds. She can influence the minds of animals, but it seems ours are closed off to her. Perhaps consciousness is inherently ethereal. Does the Court intend to make a world in which even thought no longer has a place?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 12, 2024 7:27:49 GMT
It is odd that Omega is apparently unable to read minds. She can influence the minds of animals, but it seems ours are closed off to her. Perhaps consciousness is inherently ethereal. I'm still working out the details (and at some point in the intermediate future will drop a mega-post in the Speculations thread) but if consciousness (including memory) depends at least partly on quantum effects and etheric effects can be defined by locality and retroactive causality is a thing, then it might be more useful to think of the ether as a sort of simulation that can support its own ecosystem, and one that extends into subspace at that. The word simulation is misleading, though, as the ether can make substantive changes in what is, but it may be better than thinking of it as weather or a system of flows. [edit] What I'm trying to say is that if your hard drive is an eyeball you can see what's going on in your computer really well without opening the case, even infer some of what's on the hard drive, but you can't read the hard drive. So, Omega not being able to read minds but able to manipulate animals may not be odd in the slightest. [/edit] Does the Court intend to make a world in which even thought no longer has a place? If everything is known, will there be a need to think? |
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Post by blahzor on Aug 12, 2024 7:30:20 GMT
Annie the gal with the flawless plans
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Post by blahzor on Aug 12, 2024 7:33:47 GMT
It is odd that Omega is apparently unable to read minds. She can influence the minds of animals, but it seems ours are closed off to her. Perhaps consciousness is inherently ethereal. Does the Court intend to make a world in which even thought no longer has a place? they would love thought crimes but having the ability to do so would probably considered etheral and they are leaving all of that behind with mind wipes |
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Post by arf on Aug 12, 2024 7:41:25 GMT
Annie the gal with the flawless plans plans? (I'm not sure what Kat did to earn the laser glare.) |
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Post by arf on Aug 12, 2024 7:44:07 GMT
It is odd that Omega is apparently unable to read minds. She can influence the minds of animals, but it seems ours are closed off to her. Perhaps consciousness is inherently ethereal. Does the Court intend to make a world in which even thought no longer has a place? they would love thought crimes but having the ability to do so would probably considered etheral and they are leaving all of that behind with mind wipes Yeah. Have you noticed how we don't know anybody who's confirmed to be leaving? (Llewellyn? Without his daughter?) |
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Post by justcurious on Aug 12, 2024 8:10:38 GMT
In Panel 4 we see wavy lines which in context we can assume to be representations of an attempt by Annie and Rey to communicate in the Ether. In Panel 5 we see what looks like Annie and Rey sharply turning to look at Kat with startled expressions on their faces. In Panel 6 they have intent expressions and there are the same wavy lines as in Panel 6 suggesting an attempt to communicate with Kat in the Ether. The same wavy lines are in Panel 7.
I think they are communicating in the Ether and have seen Kat's goddess form and are trying to communicate with that.
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Post by aggadahGothic on Aug 12, 2024 8:30:45 GMT
It is odd that Omega is apparently unable to read minds. She can influence the minds of animals, but it seems ours are closed off to her. Perhaps consciousness is inherently ethereal. Does the Court intend to make a world in which even thought no longer has a place? they would love thought crimes but having the ability to do so would probably considered etheral and they are leaving all of that behind with mind wipes I had forgotten that when the Star Ocean is revealed, Kat does not state that she could not see the strange figure on the coast, but that she simply could not remember them. I suppose we may already have seen the effects of anti-ethereality on the mind. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 12, 2024 9:22:33 GMT
By The Way: A good while back someone hypothesized that Zeta's power was actually Goddess-Kat's preexisting power (a necessity of retroactive causality; if Kat will become a goddess the power would have to exist before Kat). I think that Omega looking like Kat strengthens that possibility, and if true would mean that this current situation with Omega could be mostly resolved by Kat assuming her final form and appointing a 'pomp. Omega would be much less of a nuisance if she lost her connection to the ether. It'd be sort of a cheese solution for the current narrative, though, so I'm very skeptical that'll happen soon enough to make a difference with Omega.
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Post by peachpie on Aug 12, 2024 9:23:09 GMT
Occasionally Renard slips up and lets us know he's just as big a goober as Annie.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Aug 12, 2024 9:23:19 GMT
It is odd that Omega is apparently unable to read minds. She can influence the minds of animals, but it seems ours are closed off to her. Perhaps consciousness is inherently ethereal. Does the Court intend to make a world in which even thought no longer has a place? People will like what the Court tells them to like! |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Aug 12, 2024 9:25:30 GMT
Occasionally Renard slips up and lets us know he's just a big a goober as Annie. Inside Renard are several canines... |
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Post by tibert on Aug 12, 2024 10:32:19 GMT
In Panel 4 we see wavy lines which in context we can assume to be representations of an attempt by Annie and Rey to communicate in the Ether. In Panel 5 we see what looks like Annie and Rey sharply turning to look at Kat with startled expressions on their faces. In Panel 6 they have intent expressions and there are the same wavy lines as in Panel 6 suggesting an attempt to communicate with Kat in the Ether. The same wavy lines are in Panel 7. I think they are communicating in the Ether and have seen Kat's goddess form and are trying to communicate with that. I think they look like teenagers frowning the most intensely they can to test if they have hidden powers. |
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Post by hnau on Aug 12, 2024 11:53:28 GMT
Even if they can't communicate with Kat, they can at least microwave her brain.
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Post by justcurious on Aug 12, 2024 12:04:24 GMT
I just noticed that Rey's ears are right back in Panel 6 as if he was seeing something disturbing or scary. And Kat's Robot Goddess form is both of those.
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Post by mspace on Aug 12, 2024 13:38:17 GMT
They could always pass notes to each other, if Omega doesn't read minds . . .
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Post by blahzor on Aug 12, 2024 13:44:53 GMT
they can test if Kat's micro city is in the ether or not
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Post by Corvo on Aug 12, 2024 14:01:48 GMT
The snake people! They're back! And looks like they're about to jump Eggs, too!
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Post by caber on Aug 12, 2024 14:48:36 GMT
Clearly they need to address prayers to Kat; can't have every two bit psychic interrupting the divine work! /j
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 12, 2024 15:19:11 GMT
Clearly they need to address prayers to Kat; can't have every two bit psychic interrupting the divine work! /j Instead of lighting candles, they pop capacitors. |
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 12, 2024 15:32:10 GMT
After Kat tells Annie that Omega could be listening in on anything she says, so Omega will hear any plans they make, Annie starts to talk about something she just thought about – but Kat stops her, reminding her of Omega's listening in again.
Then Annie finally twigs to the obvious ... Omega can't look into the Ether (or at least, not according to herself; this is assuming she didn't lie about this). She and Renard can talk that way. Annie and Renard look at each other, and there are some wavy lines between them. They then turn toward Kat. They look at her. Then they both get vertical-pupil kaogei eyes and stare at Kat, with wavy lines in the air. They appear to be trying to send a message to Kat, but it isn't working. Kat understands what's going on but isn't getting anything; she says with embarrassment that it doesn't work on her.
It's difficult to say whether there would be any way for Kat, who's famously non-Ether-sensitive, to send or receive any message that Omega couldn't observe. I mean, she probably sends wireless (electromagnetic) digital signals to/from her computer, but can Omega sense those? That's something we don't know about Omega's powers; can she listen in on radio signals? (I mean, why would she have to? She can just observe whoever's sending the signal.) If so, what if those signals are digital computer data, like wi-fi or Bluetooth? She can't read minds, but can she read signals that Kat's brain sends to her implant, or the signals the implant sends to computers (or the other way around)? I mean, even if I could somehow sense radio waves, that doesn't mean I could tell what keys somebody was pressing on their Bluetooth keyboard. That's just an example – Omega could just observe the keyboard itself – but what if those signals were sent by a computer on one end and Kat's implant on the other? Is there anything there that Omega can observe, and even if so, can she decode it?
Speaking of decoding ... she's got both Tony and Don captive, presumably in the same place. What if Tony and Don use some of their scary cryptographic abilities? I mean, yes, Omega can see all the ciphers they've ever used in the sense of being able to read the OTP or whatever, but she'd have to figure out which one it was and how to use it, and that's assuming they're even using an OTP. Being able to see something is one thing, but being a cryptographic expert is something else entirely.
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Post by aggadahGothic on Aug 12, 2024 15:43:39 GMT
I mean, even if I could somehow sense radio waves, that doesn't mean I could tell what keys somebody was pressing on their Bluetooth keyboard. This is a very good point. Omega may see everything, but she cannot necessarily process everything instantaneously. Perhaps the bilingualism of various characters will become quite plot-relevant soon. (It seems unlikely that Omega already knows Polish.) |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 12, 2024 15:55:23 GMT
They could always pass notes to each other, if Omega doesn't read minds . . . No, but she can see the notes. They would have to be encrypted in some way that Omega can't decrypt too easily. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Aug 12, 2024 16:04:31 GMT
they can test if Kat's micro city is in the ether or not I like this idea. Better than my idea of calling Salsa Mel (or some other being who can stop time?), and discussing things within a time bubble. Or I like the language idea. As long as it's the right language. "Iway ancay eakspay Igpay Atinlay" — Meg (fun fact. during WWII, the U.S. hired Navajo people as "code talkers," the Navajo language is complex and they would say stuff like "iron bird" for airplane) Or code, but they would have to have worked out the code beforehand. Annie: "The rooster crows at midnight" Kat: "8 21 8? 23 8 1 20?" Meg:  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 12, 2024 17:38:23 GMT
Clearly they need to address prayers to Kat; can't have every two bit psychic interrupting the divine work! /j Instead of lighting candles, they pop capacitors. Make lithium batteries undergo thermal runaway? Better showmanship. |
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Post by Runningflame on Aug 12, 2024 18:33:19 GMT
Occasionally Renard slips up and lets us know he's just as big a goober as Annie. I came here to say I love Renard's serious face, and I'm delighted someone made it their avatar. |
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Post by blahzor on Aug 12, 2024 19:54:37 GMT
Seeing as Meg described how she works as a series of information she can read. I assume it doesn't care about language
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 12, 2024 22:11:38 GMT
Seeing as Meg described how she works as a series of information she can read. I assume it doesn't care about language I've done a lot of speculation before about the exact nature and limits of Omega's powers, including how she reacts to global languages! TLDR I think she can probably do a word-by-word literal translation of any language that she "hears" just by accessing various dictionaries & such, but might struggle a bit with the nuances, depending on how different the language is from her native English, because she can't just access the meaning people perceive in words directly (any more than she can read minds). |
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Post by silicondream on Aug 12, 2024 22:42:57 GMT
they can test if Kat's micro city is in the ether or not I don't think it is. It uses the same dimensional compression tech as the Court itself, which is not in the ether either. |
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