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Post by Corvo on May 20, 2024 23:48:30 GMT
Just me, or she got real old real fast?
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Post by blahzor on May 21, 2024 3:17:33 GMT
The "girl" is presumably Zimmy, and the "event" is the split where Omega is split into Omega and Zimmy, this split causing a reduction in Omega's predictive powers? Also explaining why the Court was so eager to find Zimmy and offer her sanctuary in the court so they could keep an eye on her, as they already had her "other half" in Omega. Charles attempts to split her so she can not be debilitated and they can do fun couple things like using future events to topple dictators at a picnic. the "information" she constantly see's then becomes static that Zimmy always see's, but seeing as she's not seeing the whole information picture her predictions become less factual and more trained use of partial information. knowing enough and guessing the rest you'd still be right sometimes gamma clears the static some and that's how Zimmy knows who will kill who long before it will happen but even she is using incomplete information and making a reasonable conclussion |
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Post by shadow3 on May 21, 2024 6:39:32 GMT
OMEGA: I hate temporal mechanics.
MILES O'BRIEN: Welcome to the club.
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Post by silicondream on May 21, 2024 7:00:42 GMT
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Post by gpvos on May 21, 2024 8:28:53 GMT
Since the Artilleryman was one of the Founders, and the Court already existed when Charles found Omega, I'd put the chances for that at about zero. Also, both technology and clothing in all of these flashbacks have looked much more modern than those from the era of the Founders. Are we sure about that? The court is mentioned in today's flashback, but it could have been founded in the meantime, after Omega was found. |
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Post by yellowb on May 21, 2024 11:25:46 GMT
The event is obviously Annie falling off the bridge. It has been practically established. What makes people think it's something else? I agree; it's pretty well established that Annie's survival of that fall is the reason why Omega's predictions become less accurate, so it's pretty clear that the "event" is Annie's fall from the bridge. Of course, Omega could be talking about either Annie or Kat here when she says "a girl," because Annie survives the fall when she's not predicted to, but Kat's tampering with time is the reason why Annie survives the fall. Well, Kat saving Annie is exactly what Omega did NOT predict, which is why I don't think it makes sense for Omega to be talking about Kat here. |
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Post by yellowb on May 21, 2024 11:33:47 GMT
Since the Artilleryman was one of the Founders, and the Court already existed when Charles found Omega, I'd put the chances for that at about zero. Also, both technology and clothing in all of these flashbacks have looked much more modern than those from the era of the Founders. Are we sure about that? The court is mentioned in today's flashback, but it could have been founded in the meantime, after Omega was found. Omega mentioned the court four pages ago, when she was demonstrating her talent: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2939 |
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Post by storyteller on May 21, 2024 12:22:45 GMT
Look at the page where Zimmy is talking to the Annies after intervening with Paz. She specifically referred to the Ether as the unseen world. That's a turn of phrase really reminiscent of how Charles talks about stuff. That's the bit that really makes me think she's a descendant of some sort. Everyone notices the look alike nature between Zimmy and Omega. But the thing that gets to me is how much Zimmy is similar to Charles in personality. Complete with emergency house call to help with malignant ether shenanigans. Well, think of it this way: inherited qualities are physical or, at least, instinctive. But a phrase (an exact one, for that matter) is not instinctive, even less a wart, the color of skin/hair/eyes or a short leg. A phrase is something you learn. And learning has nothing to do with ascendence or genetics. Learning is environmental and needs someone to teach you. Someone who may not necessarily be your biological parents. No but as a narrative/story matter it happens all the time. And more pertently, people repeat ideas they learned growing up. Like say phrasing. There's not that many generations between Omega and the present |
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Post by gpvos on May 21, 2024 18:57:00 GMT
Are we sure about that? The court is mentioned in today's flashback, but it could have been founded in the meantime, after Omega was found. Omega mentioned the court four pages ago, when she was demonstrating her talent: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2939Good point. There was a timeskip just before that though. I just want to keep that option open, but indeed it doesn't seem very likely. |
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Post by arf on May 21, 2024 22:52:06 GMT
Judging from the dress code in the record left by Diego's little photobot, I'd say the Court was founded at least a century before Charles and Sweet Miss Omega.
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Post by blahzor on May 21, 2024 23:04:59 GMT
Just me, or she got real old real fast? We've done a number of time jumps |
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Post by Corvo on May 22, 2024 0:35:46 GMT
Just me, or she got real old real fast? We've done a number of time jumps No, I mean, how old is he now, for instance? The context of what he's saying makes me think the time jump was just some months, maybe a few years at most. Otherwise, why would the Court still be getting "giddy with the possibilities", instead of already very aware of them and with multiple working projects involving it? Sounds to me like they're still testing these abilities, which would happen not that much later after discovering it. Plus, he was already quite older then her, but little as we can see him in this page, he doesn't look older to me at all. Full hair, not hunched over or anything like that. I mean, the beard is bigger, but without colors it's hard to tell how much older he is. I still invoke the baldness rule! That's why I said " real old real fast". Looks to me like either her powers or her treatment (both?) are making her age MUCH faster than anyone should. That's what I meant. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on May 22, 2024 1:01:25 GMT
The "girl" is presumably Zimmy, and the "event" is the split where Omega is split into Omega and Zimmy, this split causing a reduction in Omega's predictive powers? Also explaining why the Court was so eager to find Zimmy and offer her sanctuary in the court so they could keep an eye on her, as they already had her "other half" in Omega. It has been already stablished in canon that Annie falling from the bridge is the reason for the innacuracies: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2669That establishes the first major event where predictions deviated from actuality. That does not mean that "the girl" refers to Annie, or that her fall was responsible. It could very well refer to Kat and her use of the Tic Toc to muck with the time stream, or Zimmy's arrival at the court. We don't know how often the court has been making predictions. |
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Post by yellowb on May 22, 2024 8:32:33 GMT
It has been already stablished in canon that Annie falling from the bridge is the reason for the innacuracies: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2669That establishes the first major event where predictions deviated from actuality. That does not mean that "the girl" refers to Annie, or that her fall was responsible. It could very well refer to Kat and her use of the Tic Toc to muck with the time stream, or Zimmy's arrival at the court. We don't know how often the court has been making predictions. At first, I was going to say what I did before: Omega predicted that Annie would DIE falling from the bridge. That Annie would be saved by Kat and the Tic-toc was something Omega did NOT see. But now I realize that was only the case AS FAR AS THE COURT KNEW. With today's update especially - "the girl who should not be" - it looks like Charles, as asked, did not divulge everything Omega saw to the court. But it also looks like Kat is a bit of a blind spot to Omega. As for Zimmy, the court itself brought her to the court from Birmingham. |
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Post by rafk on May 22, 2024 9:01:14 GMT
"We must do more." Like "scoop out your brain and put it in a jar" more, or "send our daughter/son off to Birmingham" more? Why "must" they? Are they deliberately leading the Court to their doom, or are they true believers? Very interested to see the rest of her life. Sounds from the next strip like the brain jar thing is the way it is going. |
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Post by ctso74 on May 22, 2024 13:40:22 GMT
Just me, or she got real old real fast? We've done a number of time jumps Were there any jumps to the left? Because I believe that would technically be a time warp, not jump. |
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Post by Hatredman on May 22, 2024 22:58:34 GMT
Good point. There was a timeskip just before that though. I just want to keep that option open, but indeed it doesn't seem very likely. I still think the Court was founded in the 1700s (my guess is based on Artilleryman's uniform) and the events currently being depicted in sepia probably have occurred in the space of several decades between the mid-1800s and early 1900s (again, wardrobe, and the Nikola Tesla-like equipment). On a side note, Jones is still Elizabeth Langdon in the mid to late 1800s and worked at a Filling Factory during WW1 (1914-1919) as Emma. On WW2 she was wandering the streets of London when Mort died. She may have joined the Court in the 1950s, and befriended a 9-year old Eglamore in the late 1960s. I'm pointing this out as a curiosity, because both stories are somewhat contemporary. Also, I'm pointing it out because Jones is suspiciously absent in all of this. Last time we saw her, she was speaking with Aata about Annie and he was still head of the Shadow Men. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2472In comic time, months ago, maybe more than a year. [EDIT 2] In fact the last time we see Jones is here, but she's just visually mentioned. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2528 [EDIT]A little Tesla for your amusement. This picture is from 1899.  |
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Post by naldru on Jun 17, 2024 20:10:46 GMT
My personal feeling is that there is a similarity between Omega and Dr. Manhattan of The Watchmen. It appears that both characters can see the past and the future. However, it is possible that both can only see the latest version of the timeline with each action using the appearance of the latest version of the timeline creating a new version of the timeline. When the tachyons knock out Dr. Manhattan's ability to see the past and future, he is no longer able to see the changes that he is making to the timeline. However his ability to see the past and present hasn't changed, his perception of his ability to see the past and future has changed. I am interested in the opinions of the other participants in the forum.
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