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Post by silicondream on Mar 30, 2024 9:37:28 GMT
Man laying bare his soul here and Annie's just like "what?" What *do* you say when you learn your friend has been secretly hoping to star in biblical fanfiction with him as lucifer "Sir, this is the etheric distortion of a Wendy's." Robot's plan feels rather narcissistic. Being the devil of his plan means that Robot gets to be entirely in control of everything that happens. He and he alone can decide what becomes of his people should have, he and he alone gets to decide the means they get there, and he and he alone gets to decide his own fate and ensure that his memory and message will live on forever. I wouldn't say that. Robot left the design of the New People to Kat's team, he left the fine-tuning of each New Person's body to its owner's desires and random chance, and now he wants to surrender his mind, body, secrets and fate to the will of the Angel. He's desperately committed to making sure the ascension of his people actually happens, but I'm not sure he wants any control over events beyond that. That's probably part of why he expects to die; like the golems, he has no reason to live once he fulfills his purpose. As for his memory and message, he doesn't say anything about expecting those to survive him; why would the Angel allow heresy to persist and spread? Also, don't narcissists normally have fantasies of vindication, not condemnation? To protect their self-images, they deny that valid reasons to condemn them even exist. Robot seems to be on the opposite end of that spectrum. don't think Kat would actually have done any of this. She may not have found out, or if he did, she might have been upset, but I don't think she would have had Robot terminated. But what's important is not what really would have happened; what's important is what he believes would have happened, because that's what guided his actions. Yeah, Kat's not much for murder. But guilty secrets tend to grow in the mind, until they take on a significance far greater than anyone else would think they deserve. I'm sure that if another New Person expected to be executed for their horribleness by the Angel, Robot would find that unlikely. Only he is so incredibly vile and disgusting and awful that even Kat, in her infinite mercy, would be forced to rid the universe of his taint. Sounds silly, but I've participated in peer groups for various psych issues where pretty much everybody felt that way about themselves, including me. "Obviously all of you deserve to live healthy and happy lives, and I wish you could forgive yourselves for your mistakes. I, on the other hand, am a genuinely worthless piece of garbage that not even God could forgive or redeem, and that's just the objective Truth." Robot's pretty similar to Zimmy in this regard. Imagine if Robot had ascended but Kat didn't notice his "evil deeds" cause why would she even care to look. I think he'd just tell her at that point. No reason to hide them once all the robots are ascended. Also, it would probably be obvious from his emotional reactions once he was in a New Person body. No more hiding all those negative thoughts and feelings behind Smile Attempt #3028. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 30, 2024 10:59:10 GMT
Just FYI: That last panel (constructed by the dialogue bubbles, lower right corner of the page) depicts Robot's devilish self-conception on a breaking wheel mounted on a pole, which would be a post-torture post-execution position similar to a crucifixion where the malefactor's corpse is left on display so that all may contemplate their wicked deed(s). The reason I went into the deets instead of just noting in passing "hey that's a breaking wheel" is because it's... rather grand. It's past "I don't deserve forgiveness and I can't be saved" and "god will have to condemn me" all the way to "an archaic form of torture-death that hasn't been used for centuries should rightly be brought back for me, my gruesome end made a spectacle, and my broken remains elevated (above the masses) on a pole for the contemplation of my wickedness (and the price I paid to achieve the ascension of the robots). Also: Here's a link to a post I made a couple years ago about one of my favorite interpretations of the character of Lucifer (the "yeah he's just a dude" one) and a comparison to Robot. |
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Post by tibert on Mar 30, 2024 12:06:05 GMT
I love how Shadow and Annie are both in different stages of "wtf, Robot?!" and Black Haired Girl is just in the back listening, like, "Hmmm. How fascinating." What a hilarious contrast It gets better if you suscribe to the theory that lots of people are somewhere in there.
Coyote "Yes, yes, I too thought I got it all planned... and look at the mess now." Zimmy "He actually wants Donlan to be the one to kill him? Come on, if I had the choice..." Gamma "No, Zimmy, we already talked about this." Jerrek "Wake me up when this liar is finished being melodramatic."
Lana "No, no, you're going to miss the point where he is redeemed by Pure Passionate True Love. Trust me!" Ysengrin "Mrf! He should be cautious about his angel deciding to remove the nasty memories and be left with only the friend she liked. Don't you think, my Lord?"
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Next update predictions that will make me feel weird in the stomach if they are fulfilled:
- Robot explains why he thinks Kat would have terminated him, backed up with insightful references to Kat's past behaviour. (Now, what could these be?) - Robot's distorted face is revealed and, just as the six wings are borrowed from his idealized vision of Kat, it's borrowed from Kat. (Shudder!)
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Post by silicondream on Mar 30, 2024 17:56:51 GMT
Next update predictions that will make me feel weird in the stomach if they are fulfilled: - Robot explains why he thinks Kat would have terminated him, backed up with insightful references to Kat's past behaviour. (Now, what could these be?) - Robot's distorted face is revealed and, just as the six wings are borrowed from his idealized vision of Kat, it's borrowed from Kat. (Shudder!)
- Kat appears and reveals that she already judged and killed him, his obsessions caused him to develop etheric soulhood on his own, and his chassis has been possessed by his own remorseful ghost for the last thirty chapters. Also, Shadow was always a Wisp. |
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Post by Hatredman on Mar 30, 2024 22:50:07 GMT
Black Haired Girl is just in the back listening, like, "Hmmm. How fascinating." So she is not Zimmy, Gamma, Loup, Lana or Omega. She is Spock. |
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Post by manabi on Mar 30, 2024 22:57:09 GMT
Robot's plan feels rather narcissistic. Being the devil of his plan means that Robot gets to be entirely in control of everything that happens. He and he alone can decide what becomes of his people should have, he and he alone gets to decide the means they get there, and he and he alone gets to decide his own fate and ensure that his memory and message will live on forever. But by 'narcissistic', I also mean familiar. Where have I seen the reflection of this before in Gunnerkrigg Court? Narcissistic doesn't even begin to describe it properly, Robot's got a literal messiah complex. He's wanting to be the New People's Jesus. |
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Post by mordekai on Mar 31, 2024 10:30:47 GMT
Robot is soooooooo deep into his own ass he has lost connection with reality.... he is so absorbed in his own arrogant narrative of martyrdom that he can't see Kat is NOTHING at all like the distorted image he has crafted in his head, despite spending so many hours next to her...
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Post by zaratustra on Mar 31, 2024 12:33:32 GMT
What *do* you say when you learn your friend has been secretly hoping to star in biblical fanfiction with him as lucifer "Sir, this is the etheric distortion of a Wendy's."  |
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Post by sgleysti on Mar 31, 2024 14:43:01 GMT
Robot is such a martyr.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 31, 2024 21:22:39 GMT
Hover text for Oglaf this week: "I feel like I deserve God's anger but that's just vanity- I'm only mediocre at sinning." |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Apr 2, 2024 9:45:05 GMT
Wait wait wait. Imagine if Robot had ascended but Kat didn't notice his "evil deeds" cause why would she even care to look. Would he have ended up all sulky over Mommy not punishing him. Ultimate brat behaviour. |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 2, 2024 13:47:50 GMT
Robot's plan feels rather narcissistic. Being the devil of his plan means that Robot gets to be entirely in control of everything that happens. He and he alone can decide what becomes of his people should have, he and he alone gets to decide the means they get there, and he and he alone gets to decide his own fate and ensure that his memory and message will live on forever. But by 'narcissistic', I also mean familiar. Where have I seen the reflection of this before in Gunnerkrigg Court? Narcissistic doesn't even begin to describe it properly, Robot's got a literal messiah complex. He's wanting to be the New People's Jesus. He's literally depicting himself as the Devil.
However I still think what he actually wants to be is their Prometheus.
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 2, 2024 21:34:39 GMT
Wow, Robot is massively sexy in that devil bodda!
This is prime Rule 34 material.
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Post by silicondream on Apr 3, 2024 0:45:32 GMT
Narcissistic doesn't even begin to describe it properly, Robot's got a literal messiah complex. He's wanting to be the New People's Jesus. He's literally depicting himself as the Devil.
However I still think what he actually wants to be is their Prometheus.
Prometheus is closer, I agree, because the Greek gods weren't perfect and neither are the creators. Robot may think Kat's "all-seeing" when she chooses to be, but he certainly doesn't think her decisions are always correct. I still think he's closest to a deliberate Judas, though. Betrayed his Lord, came to a bad end, but without him there would have been no crucifixion, resurrection and salvation. |
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Post by drmemory on Apr 3, 2024 2:08:19 GMT
So like Annie is kind-hearted and forgives everyone, and I doubt if Kat will be as mad as Robot expects. At worst, she might banish him temporarily, like she did the Seraphs - she did let them return and help guard her place even after the boat incident! The one I'd be worried about is Zimmy. She isn't the forgiving type. If Zimmy learns about this, and she probably already has (because we are inside her distortion and I assume either she or Gamma or both are watching), she might go for (attack) Robot.
If Kat then defends him (knowing about this stuff or not), that may be the event that leads ultimately to Kat killing Zimmy. Which is bad for all concerned.
Side note - I still think MNP girl is probably Omega. If she was Zimmy or Gamma or really, anyone else we know, we'd be seeing more drama from her due to Robot's revelations.
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 3, 2024 16:03:41 GMT
The one I'd be worried about is Zimmy. She isn't the forgiving type. If Zimmy learns about this, and she probably already has (because we are inside her distortion and I assume either she or Gamma or both are watching), she might go for (attack) Robot. Why? |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 3, 2024 16:09:22 GMT
He's literally depicting himself as the Devil.
However I still think what he actually wants to be is their Prometheus.
Prometheus is closer, I agree, because the Greek gods weren't perfect and neither are the creators. Robot may think Kat's "all-seeing" when she chooses to be, but he certainly doesn't think her decisions are always correct. I still think he's closest to a deliberate Judas, though. Betrayed his Lord, came to a bad end, but without him there would have been no crucifixion, resurrection and salvation. Judas is also a fine analogy. I lean more towards Prometheus because the latter consciously did a crime (stealing) in order to usher humanity forward, and was punished for that. On the other hand, out of the two Judas is probably the one much more likely to agree that he deserves punishment...
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Post by drmemory on Apr 10, 2024 2:44:47 GMT
The one I'd be worried about is Zimmy. She isn't the forgiving type. If Zimmy learns about this, and she probably already has (because we are inside her distortion and I assume either she or Gamma or both are watching), she might go for (attack) Robot. Why? Because Zimmy doesn't like being used or manipulated. She wants to be left alone. In the boat episode, which is now publicly known to be Robot's fault, she was basically captured and they attempted to force her to do crap she didn't want to do.
I figure when ZImmy finds out about this, she'll be quite pissed at Robot and will attempt to take it out on him. She may or may not blame Kat for part of it, but even if she just tries to slap down Robot, Kat would probably try to defend him. Also, Zimmy has always been afraid of Kat, and explicitly stated that Kat will kill her (in the dark portal thing where the teenage witch summoned her). Everyone, including Kat, thinks that Kat won't kill anyone, but I wouldn't assume that means that what Zimmy has predicted can't happen.
So I'm suggesting that when Zimmy finds out that it was Robot that did all of that it will kick things off. It could get very complicated once it starts - many individuals are tightly related to one or more of the players, and we may not have seen the full powers of some of them.
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Post by Hatredman on Apr 12, 2024 2:12:42 GMT
In the boat episode, which is now publicly known to be Robot's fault, she was basically captured and they attempted to force her to do crap she didn't want to do. Oh, yes, that one. I could not remember any one instance when Robot interacted with Zimmy, but there's that. |
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