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Post by shadesight on Sept 27, 2023 15:10:10 GMT
please give me more spoilers for the game I haven't played yet  Other than the one action taken I described, I don't think any of that other is a spoiler for anything past the "click to preview" button each character has at the character creation screen - the Dark Urge tells you he's got issues in a charming little preview, and it's right there at baldursgate3.game/. Unless fundamental game design, e.g. "you can be evil and the game will reward it, but less than it rewards not-evil" counts a spoiler? Either way, sorry about that and I'm learning how to spoiler the information now. |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 27, 2023 15:34:28 GMT
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Post by Gemini Jim on Sept 27, 2023 15:50:24 GMT
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Post by Igniz on Sept 27, 2023 15:56:12 GMT
| 1. It's horrible! I'm horrible! | | 2. My body moved without my command... I couldn't control it. | | 3. Keep quiet. | | 4. It came right at me! | | >> | 5. My instincts are sharp, daggered things. Stay out of their way. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Sept 27, 2023 15:58:50 GMT
I wonder what their next encounter will be like.
Will he be mad for getting punted? Or will he be impressed by her chaotic, third-way thinking?
Probably the latter, unless deep down inside he's grumpy.
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Post by foxurus on Sept 27, 2023 17:01:13 GMT
They had more of a point in the case of Mortal Kombat, which is a straight up empowerment through violence experience. Game spoilers: In BG3, that and a lot of other, worse actions are committed by your character under certain circumstances and especially certain influences, and none of it is really portrayed as a good thing. D&D has always had the ability to role-play people committing hideously evil acts (or just classic murder hobo adventurer behaviour) and that's fine but if you decided to be graphically violent and cruel to small non dangerous animals in my game it would be a red flag that you're a psycho and probably not invited any more. I don't think "but it's portrayed as evil" is an excuse tbh - it's more than a bit unnecessary. I don't have much gaming time these days so I hadn't picked it up yet but I had been interested up until now. Now there's no chance. In actual D&D, at a table, that scene would've played out as:
Dark: Hey DM, I'd like my backstory to be that I can't remember my past and I have someone else's voice in my head trying to get me to do bad things. Does that sound alright?
DM: Sure!
Later...
DM: Dark, you see an adorable squirrel.
Dark: Oh! That's so cute. I think I can cast Speak With Animals, actually, so I'm gonna--
DM: As you're thinking that, you find your body moving without your permission and watch yourself punt the squirrel into oblivion. It's certainly dead now.
Dark: ...oh.
...because it's not just that it's protrayed as evil, it's protrayed as out of your control.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 27, 2023 17:04:07 GMT
Thoughts: First, a question we never get an answer to is nothing new in this comic. However, from the last panel it seems Antimony was thinking along the same lines as most of us... the answer to Coyotedawg's riddle has something to do with how to travel the distortion and was probably something along the lines of a paradox, a story, a path, etc. I still think "story" is the best answer. Second, from a strategic point of view should she have punted Coyotedawg at this juncture? Maybe. Coyote had a big mask-off moment when he ate Lana. Keeping Coyotedawg around could have been useful but Antimony knows he would have, without directly lying, been guiding her/them to some sort of failure state with regard to helping Ysengrin/Loup/Jerrek (though Antimony may not have decided yet if she wants to help) and probably also with Zeta, Gamma, and the Noobmenz. His advice would have probably seemed correct initially but would have channelized them in such a way that they would have had fewer and fewer good choices, then only bad choices... and eventually none. By punting Coyotedawg now she isn't tempted by whatever his initial offering might have been and can set her own path, even if it takes longer to get going. She also avoids any potential conflict with the Noobmenz over following Coyotedawg's advice, which would probably seem very reasonable. If I were in her place I probably would have played along longer to see more of Coyotedawg's cards, though if accompanied by a group of less-persuadable humans I'd have likely done the same thing. Will there be a price to be paid for punting Coyotedawg? Not as long as Antimony's important to his plan, at least not for her, but it remains to be seen I guess.
[edit] RE: Murder-hobos: When I was still pretty young I played a fair amount of D&D and was often the GM. I had only one game run off the rails from excessive murder-hoboing because I quickly realized that all the reasons that humans aren't often murder-hobos irl can be applied to the game as well if not better. From then on I made 1/8 the entire NPC population murder-hobos (chaotic evil or similar) and found that it made for a more realistic medieval fantasy setting because the players had to interact with a society structured with psychopaths and sociopaths in mind. The baker doesn't put poison in his bread, even though killing his customers would allow him to easily rob them, because he knows that his customers' relatives would likely find out and take revenge. As travelers the players had to face suspicion and occasional abuse, and being OP compared to the average NPC was how they survived encounters. That and some strategic thinking. [/edit]
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Post by blazingstar on Sept 27, 2023 19:27:05 GMT
CALLED IT! [The next page will be] just everyone walking away going "Glad Annie knew that one!" Extra points if we never get the answer. Half a prediction cookie goes to each of you, I think. |
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Post by Per on Sept 27, 2023 19:57:18 GMT
You have to look at the next art to go to it.Regarding the riddle, "pliers"/"tongs" is the only halfway good answer I've seen, and it's not nearly good enough. My suspicion is Tom cobbled the riddle together from elements from three separate riddles and there's no sellable answer. (That fishhook riddle linked to is no good either - even if you allow "live" to mean "in use" and "dead" to mean "not in use" or else alive and dead are allowed to refer to a different object (the fish), fishhooks don't "straighten" as described.)
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 27, 2023 20:52:48 GMT
My suspicion is Tom cobbled the riddle together from elements from three separate riddles and there's no sellable answer. (That fishhook riddle linked to is no good either - even if you allow "live" to mean "in use" and "dead" to mean "not in use" or else alive and dead are allowed to refer to a different object (the fish), fishhooks don't "straighten" as described. It doesn't become perfectly straight but it does become more straight... so I think it can be said to straighten, at least for the purposes of a riddle where language is to be played with. It's probably more clever-sounding in Turkish. (shrug) I agree that Mr. Siddell probably made this riddle to lack a single fully-correct answer... but he also wrote it as something that Coyotedawg would say as a hint for how Antimony could get started navigating the distortion. It's referring to things, albeit metaphorically. I'd argue that the correct answer is the one that helps them get where they want to go, and Antimony probably knows at least some of it. |
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Post by baphomet on Sept 27, 2023 21:05:58 GMT
They had more of a point in the case of Mortal Kombat, which is a straight up empowerment through violence experience. Game spoilers: In BG3, that and a lot of other, worse actions are committed by your character under certain circumstances and especially certain influences, and none of it is really portrayed as a good thing. D&D has always had the ability to role-play people committing hideously evil acts (or just classic murder hobo adventurer behaviour) and that's fine but if you decided to be graphically violent and cruel to small non dangerous animals in my game it would be a red flag that you're a psycho and probably not invited any more. I don't think "but it's portrayed as evil" is an excuse tbh - it's more than a bit unnecessary. I don't have much gaming time these days so I hadn't picked it up yet but I had been interested up until now. Now there's no chance. That feels like an overreaction to me. It's a game where you constantly make choices that have consequences. There are sometimes "evil" options among those choices. You're under no obligation to pick those options, and you typically face reasonable consequences if you do. I'm playing a good character and I've never kicked any squirrels. I assume, at the very least, I'd lose some esteem in the eyes of my traveling companions if I did. |
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Post by crater on Sept 27, 2023 22:24:39 GMT
jeez I cant believe the people saying she'd blast the varmit were right  |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 27, 2023 22:53:44 GMT
Aw, man, she skipped the quest.  |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 27, 2023 22:54:49 GMT
jeez I cant believe the people saying she'd blast the varmit were right Well it was much more of a kick than a blast. No fire? Funny tho! |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 27, 2023 23:14:48 GMT
jeez I cant believe the people saying she'd blast the varmit were right Well it was much more of a kick than a blast. No fire? Funny tho! Unless it's an aspect of the distortion I think Antimony illuminated the Coyotedawg with her fire when she punted it. She couldn't get that kind of distance normally. |
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Post by todd on Sept 27, 2023 23:48:48 GMT
Cheating is the answer to every riddle "What *has* it got in its pockets?" There's a scene in Poul Anderson's "Three Hearts and Three Lions" where the hero (snatched from a WWII firefight into a medieval fantasy world) is engaged in a riddle game with a troll. Playing for time, and drawing on schoolyard experiences, he asks "What is green, has wheels, and grows around houses?". The troll has to give up and ask for the answer: "Grass"
"... but grass doesn't have wheels!"
"Oh, I lied about the wheels."
At that moment, the Sun comes up, and the troll* is petrified. * Actually a giant, but the effect of sunlight is the same. The other two riddles had a similar tone (and at one point, he tells the giant that the riddles he's posing him are common among the children of his world). There's a neat bit afterwards about the nature of the giant's turning to stone in the daytime, but you'll have to read it to find out (I'm not familiar enough with how to handle the "spoiler" technique in this forum to include it). |
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Post by Runningflame on Sept 28, 2023 1:46:01 GMT
I wonder what their next encounter will be like. Will he be mad for getting punted? Or will he be impressed by her chaotic, third-way thinking? Probably the latter, unless deep down inside he's grumpy. Indeed--on one previous occasion, he was quite amused about getting belted into orbit. |
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Post by jda on Sept 28, 2023 7:31:11 GMT
Slapping Coyote on the butt, kicking him into next Tuesday, such disrespect! Here he is just trying to be the best trickster he can be, and this is what he gets. THIS made me laugh |
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Post by rabbit on Sept 28, 2023 15:59:03 GMT
After Coyote-Cubone asks his riddle and Annie says she knows the answer, Renard watches in the foreground as Annie walks out a short distance, starts running, and ... ... punts the little skull-headed varmint into the middle of next week. Gotta love Gemminie's nice turn of phrase. It is now rabbit's goal to use this phrase at least once in the work setting next week.
Hey, rabbit, did you work things out with that recalcitrant client? Why yes, I punted the little skull-headed varmint into the middle of next week!
Oh, the possibilities are endless, and language is a red rubber ball.
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Post by fia on Sept 28, 2023 17:07:13 GMT
What if the answer to the riddle is something like "friendship" or a relationship?
Bends as it straightens = compromise
Nothing to prove = friendship just is what it is
Find one you find two = friendship takes two
Fits in with the idea of needing to travel less literally. Traveling through psychological space might involve associations more than physical movement.
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Post by bicarbonat on Sept 29, 2023 1:38:19 GMT
CALLED IT! Extra points if we never get the answer. Half a prediction cookie goes to each of you, I think. I have to share a prediction cookie – on my birthday, no less? Goddamn inflation |
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 29, 2023 20:27:17 GMT
Occasionally, if I'm to be honest, there have been times when I've found these moments to be a little too smug or insufferable for my tastes.
This is not one of those times. The feeling of sheer, unrestrained, joy I feel when looking at that panel of Annie PUNTing that little b*stard into orbit CANNOT be overstated. Well done, sir, well done.
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Post by gpvos on Oct 3, 2023 18:59:31 GMT
She'll probably regret it later though. Still, it was worth it.
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