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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 30, 2023 7:09:56 GMT
I wonder if the teleporter tried to assemble the components on situ and does work, the distortion just displaced the components. Oh well, better not to try it else risk a reference to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. |
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Post by madjack on Aug 30, 2023 7:13:30 GMT
Well that answers basically every question I had, the cage is manually triggered, for a given definition of 'manual' I guess.
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Post by arf on Aug 30, 2023 7:16:40 GMT
Kat now knows what happens when you eat New People.
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Post by stclair on Aug 30, 2023 8:23:05 GMT
"... but the animal is inside out."
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Post by jda on Aug 30, 2023 8:37:59 GMT
"Annie, wait what? But Lana is here with me!"
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Post by blahzor on Aug 30, 2023 10:23:19 GMT
Annie can't have emotions without closing her eyes
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Post by Corvo on Aug 30, 2023 13:01:52 GMT
Geesh, wednesdays, am I right?!
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Post by Gemini Jim on Aug 30, 2023 15:46:09 GMT
Remember, when you teleport a radio, you create a duplicate which just thinks it's a radio.
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 30, 2023 16:34:00 GMT
I wonder, if we're about to get an "Oh... That's no big", from Kat. Remember, when you teleport a radio, you create a duplicate which just thinks it's a radio. Sometimes, they grow goatees, and steal the Defiant. Stupid Radifaux. |
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Post by jasmijn on Aug 30, 2023 17:02:02 GMT
Somehow, Coyote returned.
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 30, 2023 17:28:44 GMT
Communication established! (Assuming that's really Kat ... and this is really Renard and Annie.) Kat immediately launches into it. Seems the cage didn't work, but the button did serve to give Kat a fix on Annie's location. Annie has a good thought at this point and asks whether Kat meant to send the radio in small pieces. The answer is no, meaning that it would probably be a bad idea to try to teleport a person. Kat then asks whether Loup is the reason for all of this, but Annie says it was Coyote and Zimmy and launches into the story about how Coyote ate Lana. Unfortunately we don't get Kat's reaction to that on this page.
We seem to see the same mixture of backgrounds, and we also see the same color gradient distortions in spots. Renard seems to be just standing there listening in this time, and the New People are following Annie's suggestion and collecting the SeedPUs. We still don't know whether Kat is also inside the distortion or whether it didn't reach her lab. She knows it's a thing that's happening, but it isn't clear whether that's because she's inside it or because there's an easily-visible dome of weirdness over a large area that doesn't include Kat. I'm kind of guessing the latter, because Kat's teleporter worked at all; I'm guessing that Kat's connection to her computer might be disrupted if she's inside. But that might be wrong, because radio waves are obviously traveling between Annie and Kat just fine. We don't really know.
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Post by drmemory on Aug 30, 2023 20:09:54 GMT
Dum da DUM!
(Ominous music foreshadowing the entry of the mechagoddess, stage right)
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 31, 2023 3:45:14 GMT
"...I mean, sure, she was annoying and all, and nobody really liked spending time with her, except for Jerrick who was really Loup so his opinion doesn't count because nobody liked him either. So even though I'm kinda glad she's gone because I don't have to deal with her or look at her or hear her voice or hear people talk about how much they couldn't stand her and how creepy she was, and she won't be around to cause trouble, especially with those Elf boys, I am just not sure how much this should be bothering me if at all. And maybe we are better off and all because..."
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Post by drmemory on Aug 31, 2023 5:02:11 GMT
Lana is one of the NP. I still think they are all linked to Kat due to the "new contract" thing. So she can probably tell whether or not Lana is really toast, if she knows how to look. If she doesn't, then we're probably about to see the promised resurrection of all the buried robots, as foreshadowed a couple chapters back. So they can be part of the invasion force.  Either way, I'm thinking we're probably about to see Kat and a buncha robots and NP and maybe even old golems invade Zimmy's bubble... in case it wasn't obvious what I meant from my terse foreshadowing comment above. Maybe we'll finally get to see what Robot S13 looks like in the ether too! Probably not the same as the New People nor the golems, at a guess. I base this on his refusal to take a new body, the green mezzanine chip on his CPU, and the fact that the Seraphs in general are so different from the other robots. Still think there's a chance they are all one time-shifted robot. Like Kat's burb(s), more or less, only probably with a different origin.
Yes, even with all the other cool stuff going on, I'm still obsessed with the various robot mysteries. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 31, 2023 16:16:38 GMT
"Annie, wait what? But Lana is here with me!" That would be a curious twist. But Lana was last seen in some concrete grey box (perhaps a closet somewhere in ruins), stress-testing whatever NP have for sweat glands. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 31, 2023 22:48:10 GMT
"Annie, wait what? But Lana is here with me!" That would be a curious twist. But Lana was last seen in some concrete grey box (perhaps a closet somewhere in ruins), stress-testing whatever NP have for sweat glands. She's inside BoxBot. A fate truly worse than death. |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 1, 2023 20:15:51 GMT
I wonder if the teleporter tried to assemble the components on situ and does work, the distortion just displaced the components. Oh well, better not to try it else risk a reference to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. "What we got back didn't live long... fortunately." Man, this one really scared me s***less as a kid. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 2, 2023 1:33:57 GMT
I wonder if the teleporter tried to assemble the components on situ and does work, the distortion just displaced the components. Oh well, better not to try it else risk a reference to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. "What we got back didn't live long... fortunately." Man, this one really scared me s***less as a kid. Heh. I wasn't old enough to see it when it came out; I caught it on tv in 1983* and not only did I find this scene really creepy (and it was probably 10x creepier on the big screen with great sound) but I didn't appreciate it. Back then I was just sophisticated enough to think, "What good is boosting the signal going to do if the receiver is faulty?"** and "Can't they store patterns in the transporter? Why not just use the pattern saved in the sending transporter to reconstruct them from before the accident? Didn't they establish in the tv show that they can do that?"*** I did understand how a scene like this could be used to establish stakes for the rest of the movie but only on viewing it again as an adult did I notice how much it subtly supported a number of other things in the plot. *I couldn't remember the year it came out on network tv so I had to look it up. I know I first saw it on tv. I'm pretty sure it was 1983 and not 1987 because 1987 is way too late... unless my memory has completely failed me and I saw it on rented vhs or something somewhere in between those years... but if the first tv edit didn't have the transporter scene I must have seen it later I guess. **To be fair it didn't do any good at all. It does demonstrate that they felt the need to do something. ***Looking back on it, that played out exactly as it should have. The "good" analog pattern that the transporter saved when sending them was probably overwritten by a corrupted pattern that the Enterprise's transporter sent back before anyone could do anything. |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 5, 2023 21:36:38 GMT
I did understand how a scene like this could be used to establish stakes for the rest of the movie but only on viewing it again as an adult did I notice how much it subtly supported a number of other things in the plot. Well, I'm obviously younger - not only in total years (I saw it first on a VHS my dad owned in the 90s), but I also didn't think nearly as far. As a child half of the movie simply scared me - V'ger's whole depiction as an unstoppable force with a destructive power that dwarfed even that of the Planet Killer from the show, the sounds the cloud made, the trippy sequences, the way it killed off a main character (introduced only for this movie, sure, but in it, Ilia was a part of the main crew), and as an icing on the cake the transporter accident scene...those are the things I remember from first watching it, instead of, say, cheering at the return of the beloved ship and crew after growing up on lots of TOS watching evenings. Anyway, even later I never really got what the inclusion of this scene was for, except gratutitious transporter horror and showing in a visceral way that this ship was not ready for launch yet. Of course one could say it explains why there is a free spot for a science officer, but somehow I'm convinced Kirk just giving the job to Decker because no Vulcan was available at such a short notice would have done the same job...?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 7, 2023 15:42:25 GMT
I did understand how a scene like this could be used to establish stakes for the rest of the movie but only on viewing it again as an adult did I notice how much it subtly supported a number of other things in the plot. Well, I'm obviously younger - not only in total years (I saw it first on a VHS my dad owned in the 90s), but I also didn't think nearly as far. As a child half of the movie simply scared me - V'ger's whole depiction as an unstoppable force with a destructive power that dwarfed even that of the Planet Killer from the show, the sounds the cloud made, the trippy sequences, the way it killed off a main character (introduced only for this movie, sure, but in it, Ilia was a part of the main crew), and as an icing on the cake the transporter accident scene...those are the things I remember from first watching it, instead of, say, cheering at the return of the beloved ship and crew after growing up on lots of TOS watching evenings. Anyway, even later I never really got what the inclusion of this scene was for, except gratutitious transporter horror and showing in a visceral way that this ship was not ready for launch yet. Of course one could say it explains why there is a free spot for a science officer, but somehow I'm convinced Kirk just giving the job to Decker because no Vulcan was available at such a short notice would have done the same job...?
Oh, yeah. Young me in 1983 (I think) also thought the transporter scene was just a ham-handed way to establish stakes and show that the Enterprise not only hadn't had her shakedown cruise but the retrofit was only nominally finished. And sure, it was a reason to reassemble the original cast but also a lynchpin for how they were reassembled that I appreciated more on second viewing when I was a little older... and it also put a capstone (gravestone?) on some things that the characters were doing between the end of TOS and the motion picture that was barely or not referenced on screen but existed in other media or the deep lore. I'm guessing from what you wrote about Ilia you aren't familiar with Phase II? Anyway, this really isn't the forum for discussion of Star Trek deep lore but there's a number of fan sites out there, some with articles or videos specifically about the transporter scene that can cover the bases much better than I can. |
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