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Post by pyradonis on Jul 12, 2023 22:55:06 GMT
even though she probably wouldn't be that tasty What makes you think that? Her body is brand new and fresh after all.  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 12, 2023 23:38:13 GMT
even though she probably wouldn't be that tasty What makes you think that? Her body is brand new and fresh after all. Still has that new car smell? |
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Post by gergle on Jul 13, 2023 3:02:20 GMT
Bye bye Coyote! There's a new God in town.
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Post by nicholas on Jul 13, 2023 5:57:06 GMT
In the third panel Coyote seems to have shifted his gaze backward, toward the source of light shining just off-panel, behind him. His expression looks almost surprised vs. his straight-ahead anger look in panel 2.
Presumably those nearby rays of light are a clue as to what is about to interrupt him.
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Post by jasmijn on Jul 13, 2023 12:04:26 GMT
Granny, what big teeth you have! ...and a full set too? fake coyoto confirmed? |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 13, 2023 13:44:32 GMT
What makes you think that? Her body is brand new and fresh after all. Still has that new car smell? Huh, good question, are the NP bodies made out of this purple grown tissues? I think the last time it was seen as such was during "Katurday!", when S13 had a body that mostly was made from it, except for the head. But now, S13 seems to walk around in a purely electromechanical body again, just with a somewhat more human looking head. This page says that Arthur's mind interfaces naturally with his new body thanks to extensive data collected by S13, but the body itself still looks a lot like an android, with edges and parts that look like access panels, also I understand the text to say that at least his eyes are artificial, and talks about modular components that can be swapped. So... how much of his body is even organic purple underneath? On the other hand, the NP bodies seem to be further advanced again and virtually indistinguishable from humans except for their hands and some unnatural eye colors. And they require food. Does Arthur require food? Are the NP androids, cyborgs or something else entirely? How much bite force do you even need to bite through an NP body? Can an echo of Coyote even eat anything, and if it can, did Coyote include a sense of taste, so it can tell us if Lana tastes good or not? Why am I contemplating all this instead of working? Argh! |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 13, 2023 13:46:44 GMT
Maybe the NP's body looks android-ish still because they are currently made via molding in the vat?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 13, 2023 17:47:05 GMT
We're talking about mass production models here not a test platform like S13. There is/will be hundreds at least, probably thousands of Noobmenz. Lacking other evidence, I think "modular components" and "eye sensors" means that the components that would be tough or time-prohibitive to grow would be manufactured separately and then teleported into place during assembly... which means that Kat's teleportation system must be accurate to less than one mil, considering the sorts of components we're talking about. The color would be easily customized but if some robot wanted a huge or teeny part this might require a job shop approach for the outliers with special orders. Not sure if the skeleton is grown or printed but it would seem to make sense to print them in bulk in a narrow range of sizes (3-5?) from a self-healing plastic or resin that can be thermally molded or trimmed at key points at the last step once the robot has chosen their body appearance. It wouldn't be self-healing in itself but could use a solvent that gets released in response to detected damage, or perhaps one that permeates constantly (so the bones never truly cure but stick together if set) without even resorting to nanotech. Not sure about nerve analogues but psudo-selfhealing would again be easier for the big ones than true self-repair, and they could be attached to the skeleton after printing but before putting them in the growth medium; excess length could just be wound up and crimped under the brain box after the skeleton has been fitted to desired proportions. A micromachine could run the length of the primary nerves and repair damage if it detects a break, but like with real humans if the nerve is too far apart it would require some sort of repair from outside the system. Each nerve could have a buton as a terminus on which the motive tissue (that replaced the actuators) and necessary coordinating lesser nerves form, and some sort of connector on the other end that can link to the box. Presumably the digestive system breaks down food into fuel (an organic compound) repair inputs, and repair medium (water? oil? solvent?). It'd probably be easier to treat the whole tract as one unit, make them en masse, and then form them to fit as necessary at the same time the skeleton's formed... but they would require contractile tissue, so they may get batch-grown in their own tanks. Honestly, hair follicles would probably have to be added singly. Regarding nail beds, I guess you could make a strip of tissue that extrudes the nail and then cut the tissue strip to length for each digit. Teeth are relatively easy as long as they're not self-healing and they don't have nerves inside... just print the mold, lube it with mold release, and then fill with existing dental resin (or similar) and cure. That would have to be done for each individual robot, though. TL;DR: I think some parts would have to be made custom for each individual robot, others could be made in batches. I'm pretty sure this would count as an android though calling it a golem wouldn't be wrong (though misleading). The end result would probably not smell anything like a human unless something was done to change that. No way "meat" from tissues made to use the processes required would taste like meat we know unless the whole process was redesigned around that, and I can't think of any reason Kat would do that. One thing those elf kids were good for is we can tell that Lana looks and feels human enough that they didn't voice a particular objection or observation. |
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Post by maxptc on Jul 13, 2023 21:41:18 GMT
In the third panel Coyote seems to have shifted his gaze backward, toward the source of light shining just off-panel, behind him. His expression looks almost surprised vs. his straight-ahead anger look in panel 2. Presumably those nearby rays of light are a clue as to what is about to interrupt him. Well spotted, I didn't even notice that. Definitely something. |
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Post by bedinsis on Jul 13, 2023 23:16:49 GMT
Granny, what big teeth you have! ...and a full set too? fake coyoto confirmed? Not really, when Loup discovered one of his teeth was fake, the tooth in question was still part of his mouth, so he had a full set even if one was fake. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 14, 2023 14:24:01 GMT
We're talking about mass production models here not a test platform like S13. There is/will be hundreds at least, probably thousands of Noobmenz. Lacking other evidence, I think "modular components" and "eye sensors" means that the components that would be tough or time-prohibitive to grow would be manufactured separately and then teleported into place during assembly... which means that Kat's teleportation system must be accurate to less than one mil, considering the sorts of components we're talking about. The color would be easily customized but if some robot wanted a huge or teeny part this might require a job shop approach for the outliers with special orders. Not sure if the skeleton is grown or printed but it would seem to make sense to print them in bulk in a narrow range of sizes (3-5?) from a self-healing plastic or resin that can be thermally molded or trimmed at key points at the last step once the robot has chosen their body appearance. It wouldn't be self-healing in itself but could use a solvent that gets released in response to detected damage, or perhaps one that permeates constantly (so the bones never truly cure but stick together if set) without even resorting to nanotech. Not sure about nerve analogues but psudo-selfhealing would again be easier for the big ones than true self-repair, and they could be attached to the skeleton after printing but before putting them in the growth medium; excess length could just be wound up and crimped under the brain box after the skeleton has been fitted to desired proportions. A micromachine could run the length of the primary nerves and repair damage if it detects a break, but like with real humans if the nerve is too far apart it would require some sort of repair from outside the system. Each nerve could have a buton as a terminus on which the motive tissue (that replaced the actuators) and necessary coordinating lesser nerves form, and some sort of connector on the other end that can link to the box. Presumably the digestive system breaks down food into fuel (an organic compound) repair inputs, and repair medium (water? oil? solvent?). It'd probably be easier to treat the whole tract as one unit, make them en masse, and then form them to fit as necessary at the same time the skeleton's formed... but they would require contractile tissue, so they may get batch-grown in their own tanks. Honestly, hair follicles would probably have to be added singly. Regarding nail beds, I guess you could make a strip of tissue that extrudes the nail and then cut the tissue strip to length for each digit. Teeth are relatively easy as long as they're not self-healing and they don't have nerves inside... just print the mold, lube it with mold release, and then fill with existing dental resin (or similar) and cure. That would have to be done for each individual robot, though. TL;DR: I think some parts would have to be made custom for each individual robot, others could be made in batches. I'm pretty sure this would count as an android though calling it a golem wouldn't be wrong (though misleading). The end result would probably not smell anything like a human unless something was done to change that. No way "meat" from tissues made to use the processes required would taste like meat we know unless the whole process was redesigned around that, and I can't think of any reason Kat would do that. One thing those elf kids were good for is we can tell that Lana looks and feels human enough that they didn't voice a particular objection or observation. Fascinating read and it makes a lot of sense. Only thing I would argue is that I believe Kat would make the bodies also smell as humanlike as possible. I think it would be jarring for many humans interacting with NPs (perhaps even intimately) if they looked and felt like fellow humans, but smelled like some artificial thing (or not at all). And if the factory can grow real-enough brains and equip the bodies with real growing hair, I think some more or less realistic glands for a realistic smell are not that far fetched. Though I again agree that giving the vat grown flesh realistic taste probably isn't exactly high on Kat's list of priorities.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 14, 2023 17:08:41 GMT
Glad you liked reading it. Tom might be taking a different approach, though. Only thing I would argue is that I believe Kat would make the bodies also smell as humanlike as possible. I think it would be jarring for many humans interacting with NPs (perhaps even intimately) if they looked and felt like fellow humans, but smelled like some artificial thing (or not at all). And if the factory can grow real-enough brains and equip the bodies with real growing hair, I think some more or less realistic glands for a realistic smell are not that far fetched. It's possible but doesn't seem strictly necessary. The "new car smell" should fade a few days after they're out of the vat, so if they don't sweat or shed dead skin cells (or similar) and keep themselves clean they wouldn't have any smell by human standards... though creatures with better senses of smell might beg to differ. Human perfume, cologne, and deodorants are also options. Hair follicles on the face they'd have to attach separately (maybe individually) to match the desired appearance, I think. The scalp could be made in generic sizes and trimmed to fit. Hair elsewhere? Probably separately. Sweat glands and pores, though possible, would have to be done nearly all over... so if they were done it would probably be a feature of the basic skin covering. That would require a different type of skin for palms and soles of feet, or using some sort of treatment (like heat) to close pores in places they shouldn't be, but that's still easier than installing them all over. (shrug) |
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