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Post by Yin on Nov 28, 2008 8:00:31 GMT
LAUGHING ON LINE and then the mood changes to 'aw' and then it's hopeful and now i've got mood whiplash.
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Post by Rasselas on Nov 28, 2008 8:06:18 GMT
I don't know how this comic manages to be this awesome, but it does. It is a mystery!
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Post by penguinfactory on Nov 28, 2008 9:02:39 GMT
Coyote's eyeball juggling is damn scary Once again he manages to seem both sympathetic and creepy at the same time. Tom really is great at writing his characters. And of course, you have to wonder how much of this is true- Surma rolling around on the ground laughing? I guess she was younger then, and Annie does seem to be opening up to Coyote in a way she doesn't really to other humans, so there's a precedent, but I'm still taking this with a grain of salt.
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Post by fjodor on Nov 28, 2008 9:03:02 GMT
- PLOP -
How cool is that?
I still don't trust Coyote. I am certain he's trying to win Annie's trust to attack the Court later on.
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Post by penguinfactory on Nov 28, 2008 9:04:40 GMT
Now that I think about it, the X's over Coyotes eye sockets are kind of similar in context to the anti-Reyndardine symbol. Either way, here's yet more eye symbolism.
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Post by popo on Nov 28, 2008 9:24:33 GMT
And of course, you have to wonder how much of this is true- Surma rolling around on the ground laughing? I guess she was younger then, and Annie does seem to be opening up to Coyote in a way she doesn't really to other humans, so there's a precedent, but I'm still taking this with a grain of salt. why wouldn't it be true? we barely know anything about Surma, and she probably wasn't exactly like Annie.
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Post by edzepp on Nov 28, 2008 9:27:26 GMT
I find Coyotes side to side head movements when catching his eyes to be strangely adorable.
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Post by stephenls on Nov 28, 2008 10:09:04 GMT
I think it manages to be this awesome because the author is skilled.
EDIT: Jones says everything Coyote says is true, and therein lies the danger. I suspect she's correct, just because, well, characters who trick people by selective telling of the truth and being scrupulous about never actually lying are a traditional trope. "A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent."
So that may be an entirely accurate description of Surma's behavior in the Wood.
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Post by preus on Nov 28, 2008 11:31:28 GMT
Wow. It's like every dude in and around GC, human or not, was into Surma. What was her secret? Loreal? 'Cos I don't think it's Loreal.
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Post by todd on Nov 28, 2008 11:50:47 GMT
Surma could indeed have been much less formal than Annie. Look at how she speaks in the closing flashback of Chapter Eighteen, for example.
Much of Annie's own gravity may also stem from her unusual upbringing (the first eleven to twelve years of her life at the hospital with hardly any children her own age about, just Surma and the Guides) - which was probably different from Surma's own childhood. And we've seen how her friendship with Kat is making her more "normal". (Annie's behavior on the first page of Chapter Fifteen - not including the title page - isn't that far from Surma's behavior as described by Coyote.)
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Post by Rasselas on Nov 28, 2008 13:20:05 GMT
Annie's father should be taken into consideration as well. We haven't met him at all, and she might have inherited somewhat of his character. All we know about him is that he's reserved and seclusive, not eager to reveal his plans or wherabouts.
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Post by Refugee on Nov 28, 2008 14:06:59 GMT
Coyote hides it well, but in all this I have a strong sense of him fishing for "Good dog! Who's a good boy then?", and a belly rub.
Well, at least he gets chin scritchies.
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Post by Bobbey on Nov 28, 2008 14:23:49 GMT
I just figured out who Coyote's smile reminds of...the cat in Alice in Wonderland!
Can't beleive it took me that long to figure it out.
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Post by Myrani on Nov 28, 2008 15:09:50 GMT
Jones says everything Coyote says is true, and therein lies the danger. I suspect she's correct, just because, well, characters who trick people by selective telling of the truth and being scrupulous about never actually lying are a traditional trope. "A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent." I'm not even sure Coyote ever needs to put any thought into being selective with the truths he tells in the first place. I noticed a lot of comments on the main site were wondering at his motives or speculating that he was trying to manipulate Annie over to his side, but I can't help but imagine that he is not the sort of trickster that a mortal would be, that since he's a god, it's not just a facet of behaviour. I think he is being absolutely sincere. That sincerity might work quite well to his advantage the majority of the time, but I believe that's entirely incidental. To me, Coyote seems to be the kind of trickster deity that is a sort of representation of benevolent chaos. That doesn't necessarily mean one can always expect him to be kind and considerate, but he has no reason whatsoever to act as anything other than what he really is. Annie might not be able to trust him, per se, but she can always trust him to be himself.
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Post by cenit on Nov 28, 2008 15:39:09 GMT
I'm actually very surprised that Coyote is empathic enough to realize annies change of mood, and to act accordingly... I fugure that he was so self-centered... what an interesting character
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Post by Miri on Nov 28, 2008 15:41:41 GMT
And of course, you have to wonder how much of this is true- Surma rolling around on the ground laughing? I guess she was younger then, and Annie does seem to be opening up to Coyote in a way she doesn't really to other humans, so there's a precedent, but I'm still taking this with a grain of salt. why wouldn't it be true? we barely know anything about Surma, and she probably wasn't exactly like Annie. Fair point. I got the same feeling as Penguinfactory, though--Surma seemed so serene and somber when we saw her, I have a really hard time picturing her being...anything else, really. But you're right, Popo, she probably was very different. I love this comic. Character depth! My inner writer squees with joy. And can I just say Coyote's reaction Annie petting him made me "Awwwww."
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Post by snes on Nov 28, 2008 17:36:56 GMT
I got the same feeling as Penguinfactory, though--Surma seemed so serene and somber when we saw her, I have a really hard time picturing her being...anything else, really. Well, we don't know exactly what the situation was when Surma visited the woods. She seems to have befrended the entire wood. Perhaps her visit(s?) was of a much more cordial nature than Annies. Maybe Surma was actually genuine friends with Coyote and visited him as any friend would? She seems to be friends with other important spiritual figures.
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Post by tetsamaru on Nov 28, 2008 22:55:47 GMT
So, the girls like it when he juggles the eyes ehh?
Pardon me folks, im going to go try it out, wish me luck.
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Post by Count Casimir on Nov 29, 2008 1:00:21 GMT
I got the same feeling as Penguinfactory, though--Surma seemed so serene and somber when we saw her, I have a really hard time picturing her being...anything else, really. Well, we don't know exactly what the situation was when Surma visited the woods. I have a theory, and I don't know if it should be Wild Spec'd or not. I welcome opinions from everyone. All of Coyote' reminisces give me the idea that Surma was originally a resident of Gillitie. The "twigs in her hair" line makes me think of a dryad or similar being, and we know that it isn't just fairies who can take and pass the test (the only reason I don't think she's a fairy is because she doesn't have the regional dots, as far as we've seen). I'm sure there is plenty more evidence and many arguments against, and I'd love to see 'em as well as hear what anyone else thinks about this.
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Post by todd on Nov 29, 2008 1:31:29 GMT
Interesting idea - though that raises the question of where her maiden name (we know she had one) came from. Red and Blue didn't make any mention of getting surnames once they became humans.
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Post by fishf00d on Nov 29, 2008 2:35:22 GMT
I really don't think that Coyote is being insincere.
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Post by Chrome on Nov 29, 2008 3:44:33 GMT
Agreed. He may well be using "the trickster" guise as a way to cover his motives, not maliciously, but more as a way to have an out--to have the ego, to have the quirkiness, so he never really has to be or act serious. Some people use that. Hell, I've used that in the past. And I remember at least one classmate in middle school who was a perpetual imp--I now wonder if it was a way to cover up something else. As for Surma....well that's entirely possible. She was the Court's medium, and as such she would have to have good ties with people on both sides. Solid ties. Sincere ones. That means people like Eglamore and so on, as well as Coyote. Maybe even...Ysengrin? I've been in that position before: two good friends, both of different opinions, and having to bridge both sides to get them to come to a compromise. It ain't easy, and if Surma could do it well enough with such different groups like the Court and the Wood...it's no wonder she was so respected. Also, eyeball juggling...both squicky and charmingly funny at once. I still haven't made up my mind as to which, but the "plop" bits are awesome.
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Post by atorichan on Nov 30, 2008 1:30:37 GMT
Wow. It's like every dude in and around GC, human or not, was into Surma. What was her secret? Loreal? 'Cos I don't think it's Loreal. Garnier Fructis Maybe? ? That's what I use. *Wink Wink*
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Post by Count Casimir on Nov 30, 2008 2:39:10 GMT
Quick thought: the implications of Tom's comment flew right over my head until now; namely, if he once threw an eyeball high enough to be a star, that means he can make more; he still has two, after all.
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Post by popo on Nov 30, 2008 6:25:38 GMT
doesn't he have more like seven? I wonder if he can take out the other ones
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Post by atorichan on Dec 1, 2008 1:20:07 GMT
Now that I think about it, can't ANYONE juggle two balls?
So is it just special because their his EYES?
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Post by Chrome on Dec 1, 2008 2:50:41 GMT
popo, I think he certainly could. Perhaps the extra eyeballs are for when he's really flirting it up?
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Post by eelman on Dec 18, 2008 20:55:02 GMT
- PLOP - How cool is that? I still don't trust Coyote. I am certain he's trying to win Annie's trust to attack the Court later on. The coyote represents ID, and does not take sides (in mythology anyways) Ysengrin however......
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