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Post by warrl on Sept 20, 2022 3:59:21 GMT
Teenagers making less-than-ideal decisions when it comes to their social life and their safety in general is about what I'd expect! |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Sept 20, 2022 8:10:22 GMT
Evil coywolf gods possessing teens is a perfect metaphor for hormones and the fickle nature of high school dating. Who knew?
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Post by guntherkrieg on Sept 20, 2022 8:15:18 GMT
It's super jarring to see a teenage girl be like "you know what, I think I will go out alone in the middle of the night to meet up with that awkward young man who keeps touching me without asking". Now given that Annie can turn into a lady-shaped ball of fire and shoot plasma beams it's obviously fine for her to be blasé about this - any wrong move she just torches the guy, whatever. But it's still just, like, girl. What are you doing. Go back to bed. I don't know, growing up a lot of my girlfriends would get up to stuff that, looking back, would have driven their folks into an early grave had they knew about it. |
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Post by novia on Sept 20, 2022 10:51:15 GMT
Prediction 2: "Ahahaha, oh man, Kat thought you were into me"
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 20, 2022 10:59:16 GMT
But it's still just, like, girl. What are you doing. Go back to bed. Nothing she hasn't done before, even including an obviously crazy boy once (though admittedly she had Renard with her back then - I wonder if he is around this time too). I can't stop laughing. I don't know what's funnier: that a murderous eldritch conglomeration of two godly beings is resorting to the most Teenagy Teenage Behavior of all time, or Annie reacting in (I expect) typical ace fashion and responding: "...Cool!" Since Annie is definitely not aro, making her jealous could still work... though I'm definitely not convinced she saw anything more in Jerrek than a guy you can have an interesting philosophical conversation about life, the universe and everything. |
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Post by shinkaii on Sept 20, 2022 11:03:48 GMT
Remembering Tom saying on one of his video that Annie might enjoy a little attention (or maybe I dreamed it?). Knowing Annie being bratty sometimes I expect her to act happy for them but deep down she would be a bit angry that cute boy won't pay as much attention to her anymore. Or maybe she outgrew that brattines and will see past this fool proof ruse? Who kows.
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Post by stevecharb on Sept 20, 2022 15:16:35 GMT
What's jarring about that? Teenagers making less-than-ideal decisions when it comes to their social life and their safety in general is about what I'd expect! I find it to be entirely in keeping with what I know of them |
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Post by laaaa on Sept 20, 2022 17:14:44 GMT
But it's still just, like, girl. What are you doing. Go back to bed. Nothing she hasn't done before, even including an obviously crazy boy once (though admittedly she had Renard with her back then - I wonder if he is around this time too). I can't stop laughing. I don't know what's funnier: that a murderous eldritch conglomeration of two godly beings is resorting to the most Teenagy Teenage Behavior of all time, or Annie reacting in (I expect) typical ace fashion and responding: "...Cool!" Since Annie is definitely not aro, making her jealous could still work... though I'm definitely not convinced she saw anything more in Jerrek than a guy you can have an interesting philosophical conversation about life, the universe and everything. You are correct. She COULD be jealous, but she seemed pretty clueless at his hand-holding and shall-we-go-out and bye-Annie efforts. Even when Kat and Reynard pointed it out to her, she barely reacted. It is possible that she's feeling something for Jerrek by now, but I don't think she really cares. I'm also willing to bet anything that Loup's plan will backfire hilariously and spectacularly like the I'll-hurt-Reynard one did. |
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Post by laaaa on Sept 20, 2022 17:16:44 GMT
Teenagers making less-than-ideal decisions when it comes to their social life and their safety in general is about what I'd expect! OH MY GOD XD |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 20, 2022 19:09:36 GMT
Well I really don't see Annie getting outwardly jealous here. More likely she'll just be nice about it. She DID know that Jerrek had a crush on her, or at least had many reasons to think that. His stammering and blushing, for one thing. Renard even pointed out she had an admirer when they first met! So she probably was expecting something a little more personal here, if not something romantic, but if she actually reacts to it visibly I'll be surprised. What really confuses me is what Loup's endgame is here. We know he loves Annie, in his own way. He's said as much. But he also knows that Coyote means for him to die and for Annie to do the deed. He keeps telling himself that he's only there to learn what Coyote wants him to learn, right? So what the heck will he do if he gets the girl? Is this like the old joke about a dog chasing a car?  Other than this, the only boy we've ever seen really LIKE like Annie for sure was a ghost, and he went into the ether. I've always wondered just a bit if his unrequited crush on Annie wasn't a factor in Mort's decision to go. |
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Post by rabbit on Sept 20, 2022 19:25:19 GMT
Time for wacky love triangle Will Annie realize she loves Lana? Will Jerek realize he loves Annie? Will Lana realize she left the oven on? Will Lana realize she needs to quit eating snacks in her sleeping cubicle? Because that’s how you get ants, Lana. |
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Post by Storel on Sept 20, 2022 22:38:41 GMT
Pretty sure that was Paul McCartney, actually...  |
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Post by todd on Sept 20, 2022 23:46:11 GMT
If I were in Annie's place, I'd be uneasy about Lana coming along regardless of how I felt about Jerek. I've got the impression that she doesn't care in the least about the Star Ocean and is coming along purely because of her crush on Jerek. I'd be worried that that could lead to her doing something foolish that would jeopardize the investigation.
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 21, 2022 0:02:54 GMT
What really confuses me is what Loup's endgame is here. Gamble for more of Annie’s interest by provoking her to compete with Lana? Force himself-as-Jerrek to run a more complex charade, to make him act less distracted than his usual level lately? Show more silly romantic entanglement as a part of his role, to cover his other activities? Distract and confuse everyone with teen drama? None of the above? Any combination of the above? Who knows? After all, most problems follow from Loup being an entity with capabilities of a god and common sense of a puppy. |
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Post by silicondream on Sept 21, 2022 4:11:57 GMT
I can't stop laughing. I don't know what's funnier: that a murderous eldritch conglomeration of two godly beings is resorting to the most Teenagy Teenage Behavior of all time, or Annie reacting in (I expect) typical ace fashion and responding: "...Cool!" Since Annie is definitely not aro, making her jealous could still work... though I'm definitely not convinced she saw anything more in Jerrek than a guy you can have an interesting philosophical conversation about life, the universe and everything. Yeah, maybe this is just projection, but I find it hard to believe that Annie would be into Jerrek even if she hasn't noticed the creepy/Loup-related stuff. She was jealous/interested with Jack because she already found him an interesting person...smart, brave, rebellious and a collector of Court secrets. Like most of her close acquaintances, Jack's basically a budding superhero/villain. Jerrek's just...a boy, so far. Chronologically and psychologically younger than Annie, ignorant of the world, not much in the way of interests or hobbies. Annie already sees the robots as childlike, and Jerrek and Lana haven't done much to change that opinion. I don't think Annie's terribly interested in befriending people younger than her; she certainly didn't pick up any new friends when she was held back a year. I also think Annie's solidified her professional medium attitude a lot at this point, and the New People are basically another set of clients. Her priority is offering them certain types of care, not flirting. It doesn't seem like mediums have a professional code of ethics, but I imagine they tend to develop the same types of emotional boundaries as other caregiving professions. |
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Post by speedwell on Sept 21, 2022 6:29:43 GMT
Since Annie is definitely not aro, making her jealous could still work... though I'm definitely not convinced she saw anything more in Jerrek than a guy you can have an interesting philosophical conversation about life, the universe and everything. Yeah, maybe this is just projection, but I find it hard to believe that Annie would be into Jerrek even if she hasn't noticed the creepy/Loup-related stuff. She was jealous/interested with Jack because she already found him an interesting person...smart, brave, rebellious and a collector of Court secrets. Like most of her close acquaintances, Jack's basically a budding superhero/villain. Jerrek's just...a boy, so far. Chronologically and psychologically younger than Annie, ignorant of the world, not much in the way of interests or hobbies. Annie already sees the robots as childlike, and Jerrek and Lana haven't done much to change that opinion. I don't think Annie's terribly interested in befriending people younger than her; she certainly didn't pick up any new friends when she was held back a yI also think Annie's solidified her professional medium attitude a lot at this point, and the New People are basically another set of clients. Her priority is offering them certain types of care, not flirting. It doesn't seem like mediums have a professional code of ethics, but I imagine they tend to develop the same types of emotional boundaries as other caregiving professions. Not that all of that isn't astute and correct. It is, and it's a perfectly valid reading and I even agree. Against it, though, I need to set Antimony's personality type. Without going on a tangent about how I read that using the usual tools (Myers-Briggs, the enneagram, etc.), broadly speaking she's independent to a fault, unwilling to relinquish too much control, fairly lawless, not overly or even adequately introspective, and inexperienced. She's been outgrowing and working through a lot of that, of course. But in my experience people like that are attracted to two kinds of people - in the first case, someone they see themselves in (the antinomian and confident Jack), or, in the second case, some pliant and devoted admirer who can be depended on to fall in frictionlessly with their grand plans (Jerrek, up till now, anyway). Mort, incidentally, was neither; he was a healthy-minded and bright but ordinary English schoolboy with plans of his own, and there's no way Annie would have been attracted to him. As for caregivers - I have in real life seen examples of nurses falling for and marrying patients, even ones not expected to recover. It's not hard to guess why; it's kind of a trope, even (q.v. war novels in which the young nurse and the handsome casualty fall for each other). |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 28, 2022 6:05:48 GMT
I'm really surprised nobody seems to have posted the obvious about Annie - she takes after her father in some ways. Remember how he didn't know if he liked Brinnie? Remember how he didn't make a move on Surma, ever, but went along with it when she made a move, and came to love her? Annie looks up to her father and is the only living person that loves him that we know about. I'm pretty sure that Annie is like Tony in some ways, and is probably open to a relationship but doesn't really get it and won't until someone actually asks her. This didn't count, obviously. Remember how she was on the boat? Everyone around her had someone, and she didn't even seem to understand why Paz asked her if she had someone special to go with. Yet, she doesn't seem opposed to the concept. She just doesn't seem likely to be the one who initiates things. Unlike her father, she isn't walled off from the world, and she has visible emotions. Like when Ysengrin told her she was beautiful and she blushed. When she thought Mort was assuming something about her and basically making her a girlfriend without asking or talking about it, she got furious. This doesn't seem like a person with no emotions and no interest in the opposite sex, it just seems like a girl raised without a mother and with a nearly robotic father, who values controlling her own emotions as a result. But in Annie's case, it is learned behavior, learned by watching her father with hero-worship and love, not an innate psychological issue. I think Jerrek/Loup really blew it. He asked her to meet him at night and take him to the star ocean, and she showed up! If he had shown up alone as planned instead of trying to manipulate her, he'd probably be enjoying some more flirting and perhaps holding her hand on the train. Annie really seemed to be buying the whole awkward flirting thing and did nothing but be nice about things when Jerrek showed up with a girlfriend out of the blue.
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Post by speedwell on Sept 28, 2022 8:47:37 GMT
I'm really surprised nobody seems to have posted the obvious about Annie - she takes after her father in some ways. Remember how he didn't know if he liked Brinnie? Remember how he didn't make a move on Surma, ever, but went along with it when she made a move, and came to love her? Annie looks up to her father and is the only living person that loves him that we know about. I'm pretty sure that Annie is like Tony in some ways, and is probably open to a relationship but doesn't really get it and won't until someone actually asks her. This didn't count, obviously. Remember how she was on the boat? Everyone around her had someone, and she didn't even seem to understand why Paz asked her if she had someone special to go with. Yet, she doesn't seem opposed to the concept. She just doesn't seem likely to be the one who initiates things. Unlike her father, she isn't walled off from the world, and she has visible emotions. Like when Ysengrin told her she was beautiful and she blushed. When she thought Mort was assuming something about her and basically making her a girlfriend without asking or talking about it, she got furious. This doesn't seem like a person with no emotions and no interest in the opposite sex, it just seems like a girl raised without a mother and with a nearly robotic father, who values controlling her own emotions as a result. But in Annie's case, it is learned behavior, learned by watching her father with hero-worship and love, not an innate psychological issue. I think Jerrek/Loup really blew it. He asked her to meet him at night and take him to the star ocean, and she showed up! If he had shown up alone as planned instead of trying to manipulate her, he'd probably be enjoying some more flirting and perhaps holding her hand on the train. Annie really seemed to be buying the whole awkward flirting thing and did nothing but be nice about things when Jerrek showed up with a girlfriend out of the blue.
I wonder if the look she gave him in panel 2 wasn't her thinking "so what was all THAT about?". I love this interpretation. 😄 I wonder if we'll ever see a scene with Kat like Tony's with Donnie when Tony freaked out about liking a girl. |
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