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Post by silicondream on Sept 11, 2022 18:22:39 GMT
That said, for New People specifically, it probably is even more dangerous to travel to the coast. Loup already knows about the New People, but the leaders of the Court are hopefully still unaware. Best to keep it that way. Court doesn’t know about the new robot people. The whole reason why this place is interesting is because the Court leadership and the most fanatic members are in the process of relocating to another freaking planet and leaving this place behind forever. They haven't tried to recover any of the buried robots, not even set foot into the zone where they were. I'm telling you, they don't give a single fig about what is happening with their old robots at this point. It's possible, but I think that may be more of a cost/benefit thing for them at this point. If all the old robot tech is destroyed or buried irrecoverably deep, then it's not worth messing with Loup again to try to get it back. But if the robots (or even just their CPUs) are being dug up and reactivated, that's different. The robots/NPs are not only a labor source that might be able to function on an etherless planet, they're a major threat to the Court's plan of leaving this world without a trace. They would probably need to be dealt with.
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 12, 2022 9:47:30 GMT
The robots/NPs are not only a labor source that might be able to function on an etherless planet Something tells me the NPs are not interested in working for the Court anymore. Or have you seen any indication that any of them still harbor that desire? Also since Loup's first attack the Court seems to have made do with the robot chassis they had overridden. Why?
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Post by blahzor on Sept 12, 2022 13:06:33 GMT
oh it just hit me that white zone he saw many pages back is probably the Star Ocean and the draining of ether for the travel
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Post by drmemory on Sept 12, 2022 16:26:28 GMT
The robots/NPs are not only a labor source that might be able to function on an etherless planet Something tells me the NPs are not interested in working for the Court anymore. Or have you seen any indication that any of them still harbors that desire? Also since Loup's first attack the Court seems to have made do with the robot chassis they had overridden. Why? Why? I don't know what the OP was thinking, but I would suggest that their machine memory is unlikely to be affected by the "memory suit" or whatever it is, so if one saw a speech they'd remember. They will also most certainly remember the people that leave and their lives before doing so. Especially if Kat gets shanghaied somehow.
So even if the memories of all the people left behind are obfuscated somehow, the NP and robots and computers will still remember. I can't think of any reason they wouldn't talk about it, at least if asked.
Thinking about it, I have to imagine others will remember as well. Jones, for one. Maybe any of the etheric creatures around - Renard and the Foley students, for example. Bugsy the teacher? I have to wonder if they've really thought this through. Also, whether evil buddha really believes the court's plan will work - if he doesn't, then his telling the girls about it has very interesting implications.
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 12, 2022 17:29:05 GMT
Something tells me the NPs are not interested in working for the Court anymore. Or have you seen any indication that any of them still harbors that desire? Also since Loup's first attack the Court seems to have made do with the robot chassis they had overridden. Why? Why? I don't know what the OP was thinking, but I would suggest that their machine memory is unlikely to be affected by the "memory suit" or whatever it is, so if one saw a speech they'd remember. They will also most certainly remember the people that leave and their lives before doing so. Especially if Kat gets shanghaied somehow.
So even if the memories of all the people left behind are obfuscated somehow, the NP and robots and computers will still remember. I can't think of any reason they wouldn't talk about it, at least if asked.
Thinking about it, I have to imagine others will remember as well. Jones, for one. Maybe any of the etheric creatures around - Renard and the Foley students, for example. Bugsy the teacher? I have to wonder if they've really thought this through. Also, whether evil buddha really believes the court's plan will work - if he doesn't, then his telling the girls about it has very interesting implications. Every non-sentient computer and every printed or written documentation will remember as well, so they had better destroy ALL of those as well.
Every personal item, every one of the many, many traces a human living somewhere leaves behind will point to someone having been there. Not to mention all the weird holes in the memories of those left behind. If Kat had left, would her parents suddenly just think all the objects from her childhood, all the photos, all the crude drawings she gifted them as a preschooler, were just an elaborate prank to make them believe they had a daughter?
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Post by todd on Sept 12, 2022 23:50:49 GMT
It's possible that the Court has plotted a complete obliteration of their old home - wiping out everyone and everything there, and in a way that will keep the dead from entering the ether and taking the memories of those who went to the new planet with them. (Wild speculation: their plan involves a destruction of the ether around the entire Earth with some sort of devastating consequences. The Star Ocean is really a sort of "one-way time travel" into the distant future of the "de-etherized Earth", with the story about it being a new planet being a lie of the Court's to keep their horrified followers from realizing what mass-murderers their leaders are and deserting them - especially if the Court leadership are by now largely plotters and schemers who don't have a good grasp of science and need these followers do do all the scientific work for them.)
Or the Court really has failed to consider these possibilities (I've speculated elsewhere that they might have fallen into the trap of letting the Omega Device do so much of the planning for them that, when it began going faulty, their own planning skills had grown rusty).
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Post by speedwell on Sept 13, 2022 10:07:11 GMT
It's possible that the Court has plotted a complete obliteration of their old home - wiping out everyone and everything there, and in a way that will keep the dead from entering the ether and taking the memories of those who went to the new planet with them. (Wild speculation: their plan involves a destruction of the ether around the entire Earth with some sort of devastating consequences. The Star Ocean is really a sort of "one-way time travel" into the distant future of the "de-etherized Earth", with the story about it being a new planet being a lie of the Court's to keep their horrified followers from realizing what mass-murderers their leaders are and deserting them - especially if the Court leadership are by now largely plotters and schemers who don't have a good grasp of science and need these followers do do all the scientific work for them.) Or the Court really has failed to consider these possibilities (I've speculated elsewhere that they might have fallen into the trap of letting the Omega Device do so much of the planning for them that, when it began going faulty, their own planning skills had grown rusty). Pardon my "French" - but my first thought on reading this was, "Sh!t, it all just makes too much g*ddamed sense now". That's exactly what this has been missing.
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Post by todd on Sept 13, 2022 12:35:51 GMT
Pardon my "French" - but my first thought on reading this was, "Sh!t, it all just makes too much g*ddamed sense now". That's exactly what this has been missing. Which part? The first idea (the Court having some really dark cover-up planned) or the second (the Court having gotten too dependent on the Omega Device to think and plan for them?
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Post by speedwell on Sept 13, 2022 13:30:15 GMT
Pardon my "French" - but my first thought on reading this was, "Sh!t, it all just makes too much g*ddamed sense now". That's exactly what this has been missing. Which part? The first idea (the Court having some really dark cover-up planned) or the second (the Court having gotten too dependent on the Omega Device to think and plan for them? Both, actually. Becoming and remaining dependent on the Omega "program" is just logical when you reflect on the obsessive granularity (and, arguably, grandiose expense) of the Court's event measurements a la Tony's expedition, the alarm of those "in the know" when its calculations seemed to have gone off piste, and Tony's severe consternation when they threatened to kick Annie "out of the program" - far more severe than if she was just, say, expelled from university and sent home. After all. at the time the Court got in touch with Tony, he was far from the Court and arguably out of reach of the "program" himself - if not at that moment, then from time to time while "wandering between worlds". We've never heard of such an expulsion happening to anyone else ever. It must have been unprecedented, tantamount to death if not actually a death sentence. He certainly was not worried about losing her company.As for the cover-up, I've been interested in why the Court seem so uncharacteristically passive and nonchalant about events in the world they are, after all, leaving. I would personally be more concerned about vacuuming the carpets and defrosting the refrigerator in an apartment I was moving out of than the Court are about leaving their whole city and history as a people behind. It is the behaviour of people who have told themselves that what they are leaving behind is already ruined. Why should they care if it's annihilated in their wake like a mosquito caught in a rocket exhaust? They probably see it as a fitting "cleansing". (I'm assuming here that beings of the Ether who are gods or who have godlike powers can survive outwith the Gunnerkrigg milieu, such as when Jones collected Eglamore. If the psychopomps are in this class, then Annie has been neatly snatched from the potential fate of other, lesser Etheric beings.)
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 13, 2022 14:13:22 GMT
It's possible that the Court has plotted a complete obliteration of their old home - wiping out everyone and everything there, and in a way that will keep the dead from entering the ether and taking the memories of those who went to the new planet with them. (Wild speculation: their plan involves a destruction of the ether around the entire Earth with some sort of devastating consequences. The Star Ocean is really a sort of "one-way time travel" into the distant future of the "de-etherized Earth", with the story about it being a new planet being a lie of the Court's to keep their horrified followers from realizing what mass-murderers their leaders are and deserting them - especially if the Court leadership are by now largely plotters and schemers who don't have a good grasp of science and need these followers do do all the scientific work for them.) Or the Court really has failed to consider these possibilities (I've speculated elsewhere that they might have fallen into the trap of letting the Omega Device do so much of the planning for them that, when it began going faulty, their own planning skills had grown rusty). If that's the case they had better hope the Omega Device tells them the whereabouts of everyone who ever met anyone of them, or was told about any of them, and is not in the Court (or not any more), so they can find and obliterate those people as well.
Becoming and remaining dependent on the Omega "program" is just logical when you reflect on the obsessive granularity (and, arguably, grandiose expense) of the Court's event measurements a la Tony's expedition, the alarm of those "in the know" when its calculations seemed to have gone off piste, and Tony's severe consternation when they threatened to kick Annie "out of the program" - far more severe than if she was just, say, expelled from university and sent home. After all. at the time the Court got in touch with Tony, he was far from the Court and arguably out of reach of the "program" himself - if not at that moment, then from time to time while "wandering between worlds". We've never heard of such an expulsion happening to anyone else ever. It must have been unprecedented, tantamount to death if not actually a death sentence. He certainly was not worried about losing her company.That makes sense if you just look at Tony, but what about Donald? He obviously knows what "the program" entails as well, so... would he just be so chill about a plan that would kill his wife? Even if he believed every loyal Court employee would be invited to come to the new world, he should be losing his shit over neither Anja nor him getting an invitation. But if he did, he certainly didn't seem to have let Kat notice it.
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Post by speedwell on Sept 13, 2022 15:34:27 GMT
Becoming and remaining dependent on the Omega "program" is just logical when you reflect on the obsessive granularity (and, arguably, grandiose expense) of the Court's event measurements a la Tony's expedition, the alarm of those "in the know" when its calculations seemed to have gone off piste, and Tony's severe consternation when they threatened to kick Annie "out of the program" - far more severe than if she was just, say, expelled from university and sent home. After all. at the time the Court got in touch with Tony, he was far from the Court and arguably out of reach of the "program" himself - if not at that moment, then from time to time while "wandering between worlds". We've never heard of such an expulsion happening to anyone else ever. It must have been unprecedented, tantamount to death if not actually a death sentence. He certainly was not worried about losing her company.That makes sense if you just look at Tony, but what about Donald? He obviously knows what "the program" entails as well, so... would he just be so chill about a plan that would kill his wife? Even if he believed every loyal Court employee would be invited to come to the new world, he should be losing his shit over neither Anja nor him getting an invitation. But if he did, he certainly didn't seem to have let Kat notice it. If Tony was willing to have Surma become pregnant on the theory that he could use his skills to save her, it is not out of the way for Donald to feel the same way about Anja. The Donlans are practical-minded people, what's more. It could be that they really did find some loophole.
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Post by todd on Sept 13, 2022 23:50:25 GMT
It's possible that the Court has plotted a complete obliteration of their old home - wiping out everyone and everything there, and in a way that will keep the dead from entering the ether and taking the memories of those who went to the new planet with them. (Wild speculation: their plan involves a destruction of the ether around the entire Earth with some sort of devastating consequences. The Star Ocean is really a sort of "one-way time travel" into the distant future of the "de-etherized Earth", with the story about it being a new planet being a lie of the Court's to keep their horrified followers from realizing what mass-murderers their leaders are and deserting them - especially if the Court leadership are by now largely plotters and schemers who don't have a good grasp of science and need these followers do do all the scientific work for them.) Or the Court really has failed to consider these possibilities (I've speculated elsewhere that they might have fallen into the trap of letting the Omega Device do so much of the planning for them that, when it began going faulty, their own planning skills had grown rusty). If that's the case they had better hope the Omega Device tells them the whereabouts of everyone who ever met anyone of them, or was told about any of them, and is not in the Court (or not any more), so they can find and obliterate those people as well. Or the plan could be to simply wipe out everyone on Earth except for the people going to the "new planet", to be on the safe side. Becoming and remaining dependent on the Omega "program" is just logical when you reflect on the obsessive granularity (and, arguably, grandiose expense) of the Court's event measurements a la Tony's expedition, the alarm of those "in the know" when its calculations seemed to have gone off piste, and Tony's severe consternation when they threatened to kick Annie "out of the program" - far more severe than if she was just, say, expelled from university and sent home. After all. at the time the Court got in touch with Tony, he was far from the Court and arguably out of reach of the "program" himself - if not at that moment, then from time to time while "wandering between worlds". We've never heard of such an expulsion happening to anyone else ever. It must have been unprecedented, tantamount to death if not actually a death sentence. He certainly was not worried about losing her company.That makes sense if you just look at Tony, but what about Donald? He obviously knows what "the program" entails as well, so... would he just be so chill about a plan that would kill his wife? Even if he believed every loyal Court employee would be invited to come to the new world, he should be losing his shit over neither Anja nor him getting an invitation. But if he did, he certainly didn't seem to have let Kat notice it. Or Donald may not know the truth; the Court's Inner Circle would probably have withheld the truth from him, confining the information only to those who were hard-hearted enough to sacrifice who knows how many people just to get a machine to work.
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