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Post by justhalf on Aug 22, 2022 7:01:39 GMT
So, all these while, haven't you noticed? Aata and Shell so casual here, XD To the shock of Kat (and presumably Annie too)
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Aug 22, 2022 7:10:17 GMT
Huh, who'd've thought Tom is actually the reincarnation of JRR Tolkien all this time!
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Post by madjack on Aug 22, 2022 7:14:50 GMT
So what does that make Gillitie wood? The connection point to the rest of the world, the ether, or both?
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Post by philman on Aug 22, 2022 7:16:04 GMT
Ok so I have long assumed that the Court was in some alternate dimension, given the massive size and all the weirdness that goes on there. But they are not even on earth? How does that explain their use of human satellites, and what Jones sees when blasted into space?
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Post by ditchboyus on Aug 22, 2022 7:18:10 GMT
Ok so I have long assumed that the Court was in some alternate dimension, given the massive size and all the weirdness that goes on there. But they are not even on earth? How does that explain their use of human satellites, and what Jones sees when blasted into space? I think part of the Court - the part that borders Gillitie - probably is on Earth. The rest of the court extends into the alternate dimension.
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Post by iconocat on Aug 22, 2022 7:30:48 GMT
Ok so I have long assumed that the Court was in some alternate dimension, given the massive size and all the weirdness that goes on there. But they are not even on earth? How does that explain their use of human satellites, and what Jones sees when blasted into space? I think part of the Court - the part that borders Gillitie - probably is on Earth. The rest of the court extends into the alternate dimension. i also think so!! on page 1016, when annie and donnie go to launch a rocket to the satellite microsat 5, annie points out that they're very close to the forest, and donnie says "aye, we can only launch from a few specific areas. the court isn't too keen on having things fly above it." so the court only allows rocket and satellite launches from a few specific areas near the forest, and presumably those are parts of the court that have physical location on earth and can send things into orbit. if they were to try to launch a rocket into space from anywhere in the court that didn't hold physical location on earth, it would just go who knows where, probably not actual earth orbit
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Post by aline on Aug 22, 2022 7:31:06 GMT
Ok so I have long assumed that the Court was in some alternate dimension, given the massive size and all the weirdness that goes on there. But they are not even on earth? How does that explain their use of human satellites, and what Jones sees when blasted into space? They're still attached to Earth despite not being technically on the surface, if we look at the image. It probably makes no difference as far as accessing satellites is concerned. And if the Forest is indeed at the border between the Earth surface and the Court's etheric "tube" then Jones was in fact on the planet's surface when she was yeeted into space.
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Post by bicarbonat on Aug 22, 2022 7:40:17 GMT
You ever read something and just throw up your hands?
They've been literally and figuratively building up to leaving Earth altogether.
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Post by mordekai on Aug 22, 2022 7:41:07 GMT
What will happen when they leave? Will they switch the pocket dimension off, and the ones left behind will fall into the Ether or into space...?
Okay, time to evacuate the Court NOW!!!!
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Post by aline on Aug 22, 2022 7:45:57 GMT
What will happen when they leave? Will they switch the pocket dimension off, and the ones left behind will fall into the Ether or into space...? Okay, time to evacuate the Court NOW!!!! I've wondered that too. It brings more questions about what will happen to those left behind.
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Post by arf on Aug 22, 2022 8:10:38 GMT
Well, I've been wondering about the whole thing being a virtual reality, which is not dissimilar.
The Gillitie Wood may be another extended dimension again: a sort of counterbalance.
(All those treatises...)
Which makes the rest of the world a bit of an afterthought, really.
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Post by Viridian on Aug 22, 2022 8:15:30 GMT
Man, the court really should have Aata and Shell sign an NDA, we've never had so many revalations relayed so casually before... Is the seed bismuth the mame of this alternate dimension? Or what created it? I still think there is some stuff even Aata doesn't know. Why did Ysengrin say that the court intended to take annie "far far away"
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Post by avurai on Aug 22, 2022 8:52:51 GMT
Forgive the banal simplicity of this response, but God, that’s so cool.
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Post by heranje on Aug 22, 2022 8:53:21 GMT
I think part of the Court - the part that borders Gillitie - probably is on Earth. The rest of the court extends into the alternate dimension. i also think so!! on page 1016, when annie and donnie go to launch a rocket to the satellite microsat 5, annie points out that they're very close to the forest, and donnie says "aye, we can only launch from a few specific areas. the court isn't too keen on having things fly above it." so the court only allows rocket and satellite launches from a few specific areas near the forest, and presumably those are parts of the court that have physical location on earth and can send things into orbit. if they were to try to launch a rocket into space from anywhere in the court that didn't hold physical location on earth, it would just go who knows where, probably not actual earth orbit Another point in favour of Gillitie Wood being the connection point to earth: after the attack, the Court evacuates to the coast, presumably the point which is furthest away from the Forest. We see on this page that the ocean is at the outer point in the "dimension-tube", so it makes sense that the Forest would be on the other end. Wouldn't be surprised if it's soon revealed that the Court plans to collapse this dimension after their departure, meaning our heroes need to evacuate to the Forest - which poses issues since as far as we know it's still frozen due to lack of Coyote-ness. Coyote did imply that Annie will come to understand why she needs to kill Loup.
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Post by blahzor on Aug 22, 2022 9:07:49 GMT
Earth that's for suckers We aren't even on earth and want to leave even that
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Post by blahzor on Aug 22, 2022 9:09:41 GMT
Ok so I have long assumed that the Court was in some alternate dimension, given the massive size and all the weirdness that goes on there. But they are not even on earth? How does that explain their use of human satellites, and what Jones sees when blasted into space? I think part of the Court - the part that borders Gillitie - probably is on Earth. The rest of the court extends into the alternate dimension. Would explain why the parts of it destroyed by Loup are on the forest side but not the one that fades out of the planet
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Post by basser on Aug 22, 2022 9:16:38 GMT
Hahah love it.
Predicting now that Zimmy can natively do this same ether slide technique (which incidentally would explain how she was able to astral-punch Tony), that the Court developed this wacky space tube by studying her, and that as soon as they metaphor themselves away they're gonna try to neutralize Zimmy so nobody can follow em.
If my Annie=Zimmy thing were true then I reckon Annie could do the thing too, or something similar. And since we got zero practical explanation for how she un-twinned herself, and also since her whole narrative theme is being a bridge between two worlds, I think it would be extremely funny if Annie and Zimmy were able to combine their powers to just gop the new world straight back into this one.
Further thought: if Kat still has that thing where she sees certain etheric settings as their most boring possible interpretation, how might she perceive a semi-metaphorical star journey? Everyone just stands in the water for a bit?
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Post by cassini on Aug 22, 2022 9:21:28 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Aug 22, 2022 9:39:54 GMT
What will happen when they leave? Will they switch the pocket dimension off, and the ones left behind will fall into the Ether or into space...? Probably tell people to just move closer to the forest (where the NP where already ther as the court people went further towards the space ocean) so they will probably just see large chunks of the "court" disappear suddenly Okay, time to evacuate the Court NOW!!!!
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Post by blahzor on Aug 22, 2022 9:41:17 GMT
Hahah love it. Predicting now that Zimmy can natively do this same ether slide technique (which incidentally would explain how she was able to astral-punch Tony), that the Court developed this wacky space tube by studying her, and that as soon as they metaphor themselves away they're gonna try to neutralize Zimmy so nobody can follow em. If my Annie=Zimmy thing were true then I reckon Annie could do the thing too, or something similar. And since we got zero practical explanation for how she un-twinned herself, and also since her whole narrative theme is being a bridge between two worlds, I think it would be extremely funny if Annie and Zimmy were able to combine their powers to just gop the new world straight back into this one. Further thought: if Kat still has that thing where she sees certain etheric settings as their most boring possible interpretation, how might she perceive a semi-metaphorical star journey? Everyone just stands in the water for a bit? She'll see them on a boat going over a horizon slowly
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Post by Lightice on Aug 22, 2022 9:53:38 GMT
Huh, who'd've thought Tom is actually the reincarnation of JRR Tolkien all this time! Was just gonna say, the Court hijacked the Straight Path to Aman for their construction needs.
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Post by pylgrimm on Aug 22, 2022 11:19:08 GMT
Yeah. I think this also explains why there are long tracks of the Court that are just unremarkable empty buildings: The Court itself was "procedurally generated" (or rather, "grown"), likely from the Seed Bismuth.
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Post by Bo No Bo on Aug 22, 2022 11:29:24 GMT
Ok so who's getting cookies for guessing THIS one?...
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 22, 2022 12:13:12 GMT
Talk about casual conversation! Well, now I would really want to know when this, uh, tube, was created. Did the Founders do it, was it recently, or somewhen along the way?
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Post by todd on Aug 22, 2022 12:34:48 GMT
Huh, who'd've thought Tom is actually the reincarnation of JRR Tolkien all this time! Was just gonna say, the Court hijacked the Straight Path to Aman for their construction needs. Except the non-etheric nature of their destination suggests the exact opposite of the Undying Lands. (Which might be as well for the Court, in light of what happened when humans tried forcing their way there.)
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Post by heranje on Aug 22, 2022 12:47:00 GMT
Another thought: I wonder how widely known this information that Shell and Aata are so casually dropping is, even among the Court's "inner circle". We've been given indications that Tony is at least put to work for the Court's inner machinations and seems to work for the Shadow Men (Arthur and Juliet refer to him as a "colleague" back when they first approach Kat), he knows about the omega device, and holds some sway with the leadership. But Aata mentioning the weather never changing made me think of these pages and this one. Tony is studying weather data which he collects from the coast and remarks on the fact that "it does not seem to alter much." Is he aware of the fact that they're in another dimension and simply collecting data for the effects that has on the weather, or does he simply suspect it and is conducting his own weather-based investigation to confirm his theory? And: this Casual Exposition of Deep State Secrets is very much giving vibes of "but of course we'll all be blinked out of existence soon, so it doesn't matter what you know - that's why we're here having drinks to enjoy our last moments!"
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Post by atteSmythe on Aug 22, 2022 13:02:59 GMT
Very cool image of the concept. Glad to have confirmation of the "pocket dimension" speculation
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Post by linchie on Aug 22, 2022 13:15:49 GMT
What will happen when they leave? Will they switch the pocket dimension off, and the ones left behind will fall into the Ether or into space...? Okay, time to evacuate the Court NOW!!!! I'm thinking of Tea and her friend's pages (which we usually get when each comic volume ends). In every appearance they engage in various activities taking place in the vast deserted areas which seem to be abandoned Court territories. Maybe they were stuck in this pocket dimension when original Court left?
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Post by heranje on Aug 22, 2022 13:59:13 GMT
What will happen when they leave? Will they switch the pocket dimension off, and the ones left behind will fall into the Ether or into space...? Okay, time to evacuate the Court NOW!!!! I'm thinking of Tea and her friend's pages (which we usually get when each comic volume ends). In every appearance they engage in various activities taking place in the vast deserted areas which seem to be abandoned Court territories. Maybe they were stuck in this pocket dimension when original Court left? Oooo now this is a spicy and fascinating theory. Made me seek out all the end-of-book Tea pages, and there's definitely a case for it - but also some concerning things if that is indeed the case. Book 1 - Tea and her friend in Court school uniforms, looking to the stars (!) with a telescope and seemingly unhurt. Book 2 - Tea and her friend rowing beside what could be the Court with fighter planes coming in overhead. Book 3 - Tea and her friend looking dirty and tired in an open field, something is smoking in the distance. Not a very Court-y landscape but could be an area like where the kids went camping that time. Book 4 - Tea and her friend in an arctic landscape. Definitely not very Court-y or pocket dimension-y, especially with what we have just learned about the weather. Book 5 - Tea and her friend have gone full post-apocalyptic road trip. Looking battered. Again, the landscape is not very Court-like - for one, I don't believe we've ever seen regular cars or roads like that in the Court. Book 6 - Tea and her friend in another open landscape, digging holes in search of something. Book 7 - Tea and her friend in a lighthouse, looking out across an ocean that has been drained of water (!) Book 8 - Tea and her friend back in a place that could be the Court, climbing around the outside of a building. If the Tea story really is a 'glimpse into the future' after the Court's departure, it suggests that what the Court is doing now has ramifications far beyond the 'pocket dimension', since it's especially hard to make a case for the settings of books 4-5 being within the Court. Books 3 and 6 I'm also skeptical of being set there, though they could be places like the park where the kids went camping. If we take it as a story in chronological order, they start out as students in the Court in Book 1, something apocalyptic happens in Books 2 and 3, and then they seem to go off elsewhere in search of something in Books 4-6, before possibly returning to the abandoned Court in book 7 or 8. The book 7 page is particularly interesting now after what we've learned about the star ocean and the plans to "close" it once the Court has departed. Of course, this should probably go in wildspec, because it could equally be a glimpse into an alternate timeline or a story which is only semi-related to this one.
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Post by mordekai on Aug 22, 2022 14:32:11 GMT
What will happen when they leave? Will they switch the pocket dimension off, and the ones left behind will fall into the Ether or into space...? Okay, time to evacuate the Court NOW!!!! I'm thinking of Tea and her friend's pages (which we usually get when each comic volume ends). In every appearance they engage in various activities taking place in the vast deserted areas which seem to be abandoned Court territories. Maybe they were stuck in this pocket dimension when original Court left? Good point! www.gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00002053.jpgThis really looks like it could be a dry Star Ocean... www.gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00001742.jpgI really hope these holes aren't tombs! ☹
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