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Post by rabbit on Aug 15, 2022 19:48:41 GMT
"Excuse me, waiter - I think someone forgot to put flowers on my table!"
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Post by drmemory on Aug 15, 2022 21:27:55 GMT
I'm sure the evils of the new world will be better. Or at least greener.
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Post by Geekette on Aug 15, 2022 23:16:10 GMT
That's actually really interesting. Aata describes it as running from humanity. Not the freaks, or the elves, or the ether, or the beasties and ghoulies or some other third party - humanity.
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Post by lurkerbot on Aug 15, 2022 23:47:25 GMT
Is this (panel 3 onwards) a flashback of some sort? Or does it show some time after Kat told the story to Annie (at the beach), then they go to Shell and Aata to ask about this whole thing? Kat's storytime has been a flashback up till now, the panels with Annie in them again are a continuation of the normal time, probably the next day. The first time we see Antimony in this chapter (perhaps at the Carver's house based on the background), they're both still wearing the same clothes from the beach as seen in the previous chapter. They've since taken the opportunity to change outfits before crashing Aata and Shell's personal time.
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Post by maxptc on Aug 15, 2022 23:49:16 GMT
Huh. If Aata is implying what I think he is, then the plan and rational of the shadowmen is a little less crazy then I thought. What if the belief is not only that the ether in its current form on planet GKC is dangerous, unfair and evil but also just another creation of humanity? That it can be manipulated to exist without resulting in all the "nonsense" magic. If you get far enough away from God, and if everyone on your planet belives no magic exists and they exist in a magic free society, and dying adds magic power to this lack of magic myth which in turn leads to.....
Still not what I'd call an airtight plan.
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Post by heranje on Aug 16, 2022 0:53:52 GMT
That's actually really interesting. Aata describes it as running from humanity. Not the freaks, or the elves, or the ether, or the beasties and ghoulies or some other third party - humanity. I believe that's in reference to the original founders, not current management. Coyote tells Annie at one point that the original founders of the Court were "given refuge" by the creatures of the forest. Jones says that some say the founders were fleeing war, others say they were fleeing humanity itself. I suspect they were fleeing 'normal' human civilisation because they (or at least some of them) were etheric "freaks" themselves. How far they have come...
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Post by Igniz on Aug 16, 2022 4:39:15 GMT
Also note the comma at the end of panel 2. It's either a typo or Annie keeps interrupting Kat's story. It could mean that the entity continued their speech; however, an ellipsis is more commonly (and appropriately) used for such. So I vote typo. Of course, knowing Annie it could very well be option 2.
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Post by novia on Aug 16, 2022 10:34:44 GMT
It seems Tom forgot about Annie's new merged haircut (long and straight and flat across the bottom)
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Post by todd on Aug 16, 2022 12:38:27 GMT
That's actually really interesting. Aata describes it as running from humanity. Not the freaks, or the elves, or the ether, or the beasties and ghoulies or some other third party - humanity. I believe that's in reference to the original founders, not current management. Coyote tells Annie at one point that the original founders of the Court were "given refuge" by the creatures of the forest. Jones says that some say the founders were fleeing war, others say they were fleeing humanity itself. I suspect they were fleeing 'normal' human civilisation because they (or at least some of them) were etheric "freaks" themselves. How far they have come... I still wonder whether the Founders of the Court were really fleeing something, or whether they were running towards it. It seems too much of a coincidence that they - a group of scientists eager to pry into the etheric - just happened upon the Seed Bismuth in their new home. If they suspected, on the other hand, that Gillitie Wood contained something that could aid in their research and made up a story about fleeing trouble in the outside world to get the forest-folk to take them in.... (And that might explain the differing and vague accounts of what they were fleeing from - as if they didn't get their cover story quite straight.)
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Post by heranje on Aug 16, 2022 20:03:03 GMT
I believe that's in reference to the original founders, not current management. Coyote tells Annie at one point that the original founders of the Court were "given refuge" by the creatures of the forest. Jones says that some say the founders were fleeing war, others say they were fleeing humanity itself. I suspect they were fleeing 'normal' human civilisation because they (or at least some of them) were etheric "freaks" themselves. How far they have come... I still wonder whether the Founders of the Court were really fleeing something, or whether they were running towards it. It seems too much of a coincidence that they - a group of scientists eager to pry into the etheric - just happened upon the Seed Bismuth in their new home. If they suspected, on the other hand, that Gillitie Wood contained something that could aid in their research and made up a story about fleeing trouble in the outside world to get the forest-folk to take them in.... (And that might explain the differing and vague accounts of what they were fleeing from - as if they didn't get their cover story quite straight.) Good point! Though I would interpret "fleeing humanity" as more metaphorical, anyway - not so much that they were being chased with torches and pitchforks as that they wanted, for whatever reason, to distance themselves from regular human civilisation. Which could be consistent with your theory.
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Post by drmemory on Aug 16, 2022 20:34:02 GMT
If what is being said is true, then there never was any change someone like Aata could go, even if he promised not to use his powers. If nothing else he'd not be able to survive the star-boat ride.
Also, the one who briefed them on the dock seems like a new player! Not a clump of shadow men and not Coyote nor Aata. Aliens? Previously unseen Creature from the Ether? I suppose Omega is possible but that doesn't seem right somehow.
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Post by davidm on Aug 16, 2022 21:29:11 GMT
"Also, the one who briefed them on the dock seems like a new player! Not a clump of shadow men and not Coyote" Why not coyote? Lots of potential for an epic practical joke and teaching a lesson to humanity as well as Y.
Idea of fleeing evils of humanity and starting own colony isn't new. It was part of driving force behind colonising the New World (americas) by europeans, Thanks giving day is celebrating a group of Europeans (Pilgrims) who fled to new world and with help of natives successfully grew corn and celebrated first taste of prosperity (rather than starving in winter).
Amish, Hutterites and similar have fairly successful versions. Hippies often tried and failed. Biosphere 2 experiment failed. Currently we have Elon Musk and friends who dream of colony on Mars... for many of them a new world is a chance to supposedly do things their way and "better". One idea currently popular with feminists is to have colonies entirely of females, eg "Physically and mentally, women have the right stuff for expeditions into deep space. So why send male astronauts at all?" - national geographic article.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 17, 2022 6:14:09 GMT
"Flee the evils of this world and make their own." A subtle ambiguity from Aata there, the evils of this world being clearly insufficient. Subtle? This joke would be here even if it was not spelled out all the way. I mean, the Court wound up making their very own human sacrifice apparently within the first generation. Speaking of which, uh… is Zimmy still alive, or what?
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Post by mordekai on Aug 17, 2022 8:30:53 GMT
"Also, the one who briefed them on the dock seems like a new player! Not a clump of shadow men and not Coyote" Why not coyote? Lots of potential for an epic practical joke and teaching a lesson to humanity as well as Y. Idea of fleeing evils of humanity and starting own colony isn't new. It was part of driving force behind colonising the New World (americas) by europeans, Thanks giving day is celebrating a group of Europeans (Pilgrims) who fled to new world and with help of natives successfully grew corn and celebrated first taste of prosperity (rather than starving in winter). Amish, Hutterites and similar have fairly successful versions. Hippies often tried and failed. Biosphere 2 experiment failed. Currently we have Elon Musk and friends who dream of colony on Mars... for many of them a new world is a chance to supposedly do things their way and "better". One idea currently popular with feminists is to have colonies entirely of females, eg "Physically and mentally, women have the right stuff for expeditions into deep space. So why send male astronauts at all?" - national geographic article. I want to mention that some of the earlier colonies, like Roanoke, got wiped due to starvation, and that Jamestown went through such awful times they resorted to cannibalism...
Also, the original Pilgrims were members of the same group of radical Puritans that later supported Oliver Cromwell's dictatorship in GB and slaughtered al the Catholics they could get their hands on in Ireland, so their problem wasn't so much that they weren't allowed to choose their religion freely, but that they didn't want to live next to people who weren't as fundamentalist as they were...
About the experiments that succeeded, they were, ironically, the ones that imposed a most oppresive discipline and stiffled all freedom, exchanging freedom and progress for order and stability... so not too hopeful for those who hope to create a Hippy-style progressive, free colony...
I am okay with Feminists creating all-female space colonies, so long as they do it with their own money. No taxpayer money for racial, gender or ideologically restricted projects!.
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