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Post by bedinsis on Jul 15, 2022 7:01:29 GMT
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Post by bicarbonat on Jul 15, 2022 7:22:11 GMT
Gotta say, Lou-rek's form on this page is really striking. Reminds me a bit of Kirk Langstrom's Man-Bat.
I wonder what Robbie's going to do? Tag in another confederate? With a transferable consciousness, the loss of or damage to his body wouldn't be cataclysmic (much like Renard's situation), but I assume there's enough emotional/cultish significance to his being the first that he wouldn't want to give it up.
So somebody must be coming to help.
Right?
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Post by noone3 on Jul 15, 2022 7:25:57 GMT
That's a stretchy tracksuit right there.
Also... it sounds like Robot wants to make some deal. Why though, I haven't the slightest idea.
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Post by madjack on Jul 15, 2022 7:30:29 GMT
So somebody must be coming to help. Right? The easiest option for Robot would be to tell the other seraphs before confronting him, and use that to dissuade Loup from killing him on the spot. There is enough of them that Loup might not be able to get to them all in time before one spills the beans if Robot doesn't come back from the meeting, and they're likely in on whatever he's planning. Robot trusts Shadow, as well, but he might let something slip out of concern for Annie.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jul 15, 2022 7:37:10 GMT
That's a stretchy tracksuit right there. Also... it sounds like Robot wants to make some deal. Why though, I haven't the slightest idea. Could Loup help make Shadow a "real person"? Is Robot looking for a way for himself to become "more"? Maybe he just wants some pointers on how to be a God to a whole group of other entitities?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 15, 2022 7:44:35 GMT
A fun interpretation of the biblical character Lucifer:
Lucifer, having the greatest ministry in pre-Adamic times (possibly even martyrdom if he was a mortal at one point) and being blessed with good looks, sharp intellect, and a great speaking voice, eventually fell prey to a combination of inflated ego and burnout from the endless waves of sinners he had to minister to in repetitious ways. Basically, he saw himself (and whatever signs and wonders he was permitted to perform) as an integral part of the salvation process bridging the gap between a remote God and a fallen mankind... therefore of equal importance with God in the salvation process. From this he developed an apparently-improved doctrine: It's a lot easier to spread confusion and guilt than it is to actually teach people, and God is loving and merciful, so if we can increase the number of ignorant people they were responsible for (and shut down any critics with guilt) then he and his followers would have to be allowed a bigger role in the salvation story. Maybe with more cool superpowers. As God is loving in general and merciful to those who sin without understanding, the consequences of angels doing the opposite of their jobs can be indefinitely kicked down the road as long as the number of ignoramuses who depend on him/them keeps increasing to replace those who fall further into evil, age out of the excuse of ignorance, or simply wise up. Of course the problem is that this makes God serve man.
A fun potential parallel between that and today's comic:
Assuming Robot is approaching "Loup" to cut a deal without Kat's knowledge, he's supplanting Kat's agency in The Work with what he thinks is best. That's rather disrespectful of the angel. Love may make you do strange things but I'm not sure he's acting out of love here.
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Post by rafk on Jul 15, 2022 7:49:43 GMT
Definitely making a deal.
Robot couldn't care less if Loup fucks up the Court as long as the New People and Kat get out OK. He probably sees it as a positive, even.
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Post by Eversist on Jul 15, 2022 7:59:39 GMT
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Post by madjack on Jul 15, 2022 8:05:20 GMT
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Post by basser on Jul 15, 2022 8:06:02 GMT
I really do deeply love Robot's casual backstabbery, he's always so zen about it.
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Post by Eversist on Jul 15, 2022 8:10:24 GMT
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Post by Timberwere on Jul 15, 2022 8:12:26 GMT
I really like Robot's half smile and his calm "One Moment." in the last panel. He is not concerned at all.
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Post by arf on Jul 15, 2022 8:23:00 GMT
I wonder... who else Robot met in the woods?
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Post by speedwell on Jul 15, 2022 8:51:08 GMT
A fun interpretation of the biblical character Lucifer: Lucifer, having the greatest ministry in pre-Adamic times (possibly even martyrdom if he was a mortal at one point) and being blessed with good looks, sharp intellect, and a great speaking voice, eventually fell prey to a combination of inflated ego and burnout from the endless waves of sinners he had to minister to in repetitious ways. Basically, he saw himself (and whatever signs and wonders he was permitted to perform) as an integral part of the salvation process bridging the gap between a remote God and a fallen mankind... therefore of equal importance with God in the salvation process. From this he developed an apparently-improved doctrine: It's a lot easier to spread confusion and guilt than it is to actually teach people, and God is loving and merciful, so if we can increase the number of ignorant people they were responsible for (and shut down any critics with guilt) then he and his followers would have to be allowed a bigger role in the salvation story. Maybe with more cool superpowers. As God is loving in general and merciful to those who sin without understanding, the consequences of angels doing the opposite of their jobs can be indefinitely kicked down the road as long as the number of ignoramuses who depend on him/them keeps increasing to replace those who fall further into evil, age out of the excuse of ignorance, or simply wise up. Of course the problem is that this makes God serve man. A fun potential parallel between that and today's comic: Assuming Robot is approaching "Loup" to cut a deal without Kat's knowledge, he's supplanting Kat's agency in The Work with what he thinks is best. That's rather disrespectful of the angel. Love may make you do strange things but I'm not sure he's acting out of love here. Matthew 10:28. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Or, umm, processing unit.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 15, 2022 11:56:35 GMT
I dig this werewolf look.
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Post by todd on Jul 15, 2022 12:57:24 GMT
If Robot's indeed planning to strike a deal with Loup for the benefit of the New People, has he taken precautions to ensure that it won't turn into a case of "the outside enemy turns on the faction that invited him in to help them against their oppressors, once he no longer needs their help"?
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 15, 2022 13:20:17 GMT
Is that some kind of pose, Loup? Because, it looks awesome.
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Post by blahzor on Jul 15, 2022 14:10:59 GMT
don't you hate it when you birth a son who grows up to make deals with a god - Annie
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 15, 2022 14:38:07 GMT
I really like Robot's half smile and his calm "One Moment." in the last panel. He is not concerned at all. "Your call is very important to us and will be answered in the order it was received."
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Post by manabi on Jul 15, 2022 15:22:53 GMT
Gotta say, Lou-rek's form on this page is really striking. Reminds me a bit of Kirk Langstrom's Man-Bat. I wonder what Robbie's going to do? Tag in another confederate? With a transferable consciousness, the loss of or damage to his body wouldn't be cataclysmic (much like Renard's situation), but I assume there's enough emotional/cultish significance to his being the first that he wouldn't want to give it up. So somebody must be coming to help. Right? Loup's shadow featuring so prominently in the final panel makes me think Shadow's going to be helping him.
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Post by drmemory on Jul 15, 2022 15:31:06 GMT
That's a really nice new form. I wouldn't want to meet it in an alley, though.
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 15, 2022 16:55:20 GMT
Loup/Jerrek begins by playing it cool; perhaps he thinks Robot is guessing. There is a source of light visible in the distance, behind the wall – I'm guessing it's Kat's workshop, because Loup was having Jerrek return to someplace he would be expected to be seen, and Robot easily found him. But the wall blocks the view of this conversation from the workshop.
Robot explains what we've been guessing – Robot has met each New Person who has gone through the transfer process, but he does not recall meeting Jerrek.
Loup immediately acts with aggression, changing form to a large semi-humanoid wolf form – basically it looks like "what if Jerrek was a huge werewolf?" Loup has done some enlargement on that track suit.
But if Loup intended to intimidate Robot, well, that's not happening. Robot has nerves of steel. Or ... by now, probably nerves of something synthetic that Kat invented. Anyway, he's attempting to talk. Now, if Loup's intent were to simply destroy Robot, nothing he could say would change what was about to happen. But if Loup's intent was to intimidate, he might allow Robot to speak.
And we're left with a weekend cliffhanger about what Robot is here to talk to Loup about. As I've already said, I doubt he's going to reveal Jerrek is Loup, or he would have gone to Kat instead. I doubt he's going to threaten Loup with that knowledge, because Loup could easily just destroy him.* Instead, I think he's here to offer Loup some kind of deal. But what does Robot want that Loup could grant – and that would be worth the risk of negotiating with Loup? And what does Robot have to offer to Loup in return?
*Yes, Robot could say that he's got the information hidden elsewhere, to be revealed if something happens to him, but Loup has powers with limits beyond Robot's knowledge; as far as Robot knows, it might take Loup very little time to find and destroy any such information caches. I doubt Robot is going to blackmail Loup with the threat of revealing Jerrek's identity.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 15, 2022 18:39:52 GMT
Long-shot theory: Robot is planning something with the Seraph models. He has done it before, and they know a thing or two about the ether.
I am not convinced that we have seen the snare that this chapter is named for.
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Post by jda on Jul 15, 2022 19:40:23 GMT
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Post by jda on Jul 15, 2022 19:49:52 GMT
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Post by todd on Jul 15, 2022 23:44:32 GMT
I have the image of the next piece of dialogue going something like this.
ROBOT: You seek the fall of Gunnerkrigg Court.
LOUP: What of it?
ROBOT: Perhaps a bargain can be made.
LOUP: I'm listening.
(I might add that this hypothetical scene was partly inspired by Tom's mention that he'd imagined Ysengrin voiced by Clancy Brown, though we don't know if the same holds true for Loup.)
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Post by stef1987 on Jul 16, 2022 16:31:05 GMT
I dig this werewolf look. Was gonna say the exact same thing (even using the word "dig")
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Post by maxptc on Jul 17, 2022 4:17:21 GMT
Long-shot theory: Robot is planning something with the Seraph models. He has done it before, and they know a thing or two about the ether. I am not convinced that we have seen the snare that this chapter is named for. The Seraphs and Robot wanting to capture Loup makes sense, if they think doing so could help Kat get more powerful/she could get more work done with him out of the way. I dunno if they could actually do it, and a deal seems way more likely. But prep time let's Batman beat Superman, so who knows. If they do somehow capture Loup they could even replace Jerrek if discretion is required.
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Post by Igniz on Jul 17, 2022 7:16:38 GMT
Matthew 10:28. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Or, umm, processing unit. Matthew 21:17 — And he left them and went out of the city, into Bethany, and he lodged there.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jul 17, 2022 19:34:42 GMT
I really like Robot's half smile and his calm "One Moment." in the last panel. He is not concerned at all. Nothing like putting an attacking monster on hold
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