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Post by Count Casimir on Oct 28, 2008 1:43:35 GMT
I'm particularly looking forward to seeing how Jones will help Annie get to the forest. The school will have all the more reason, after the events of Chapter Seven, to keep an eye on Annie to make certain that she doesn't head out onto the bridge again - and there's no way they're going to approve of her going to the Wood if they know about Coyote's invitation. But Jones seems resourceful enough to find a way of getting around that. You've introduced an idea I hadn't thought of but seems fairly obvious now: Jones acts with impunity, and the Court's rules have little to no effect on how she teaches. I had assumed that Annie's visit would be "official" and supported by the staff. If true, this probably counteracts Annie's theory that Jones is a robot. Of course, since the mediums (media?) are technically allied to neither side, this could give them free reign in where they choose to go. |
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Post by Freederick on Oct 28, 2008 11:04:29 GMT
A guy in the Comments put forward the idea that the oval on the Court side of the river is a seed, representing the seeds that Ysengrin scattered with his right hand in panel 5 here while everyone was watching his left, and that would have gone unnoticed if it weren't for Jones's uncanny powers of observation in this strip. The seeds are Gilitie's revenge for the bird " planted" on their shore; it makes perfect sense that they are shown opposite the gear. I second this idea. Summing up, the oval may represent (in my own subjective order of preference): - the seeds of (counter)sabotage
- a boat for crossing the Annan
- Jeanne
- a halo over Antimony's head (unlikely, because it's off center)
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Post by etcetera on Oct 28, 2008 12:05:56 GMT
I would say the oval represents an eye, since it is a strong symbol already appearing all over the picture. As for it's meaning ... I don't know but I would say it's supposed to be Jeanne's ghost.
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Post by Rasselas on Oct 28, 2008 12:29:17 GMT
A long shot, but maybe if the eye-halo is "the seed of counter-sabotage" then it might have something to do with robot's "new" arm, planted in that experimental courtyard. Either that or Reynardine, but I'd think he'd be represented otherwise somehow. Then again, he does posess his body-victims through eyes.
But the seed would definitely work well as a counter-symbol, kudos to that commenter person.
It's likely been said before, but I always have the sense that Gilitie and Court have waged a huge outright war before. The war horses, the emptiness of the court, the mysteries of the robots.. and perhaps the shadow men.
Man, it's about time we got to know a bit more about Gilitie forest, I bet it's awesome as well.
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Post by fuzzyone on Oct 28, 2008 15:18:49 GMT
Perhaps this arc will answer a question I've had for some time... It's a simple question, that I've not asked because it's likely to be answered with 'It hasn't been shown' or somesuch. That question is...
If there's the long bridge that's always lit, and the students VERY likely wouldn't come to the court through Gillitie... How exactly did Shadow 2 come to be trapped in Gunnerkrigg? We have some clues to his being... in that the Suicide fairies said he was young... But relative to other Shadow folk. We don't know anyhting about the lifespans of a Shadow person.
So... my theories so far... There was indeed a conflict between Court and Wood But why would they send such a young Shadow person into Gunnerkrigg, the place of their enemy? Theory 1 is that Shadow 2 is the offspring of two Shadowfolk that got stranded in the fighting, but have since been caught in the light, and are no more.
Theory 2 is that he was somehow planted there. Perhaps at the last meeting between Court and Wood. This would show that Ysengrin may have been cultivating this plan for some time... His first step, Plant a shadow child that would ask to be brought home. When the child is returned to its people, it's quite likely to fill them with stories of what it saw there. A Human couldn't do it, because of the alarms. It would have to be a machine. Then it would provide him an opportunity to send the machine back... hopefully undetected... with a more powerful, more hostile Shadowman. Whether this was excuse to invade/attack, or a play at finding and returning Reynardine, since that's what it grabbed for right away.
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Post by todd on Oct 28, 2008 22:18:27 GMT
Theory 2 is that he was somehow planted there. Perhaps at the last meeting between Court and Wood. This would show that Ysengrin may have been cultivating this plan for some time... His first step, Plant a shadow child that would ask to be brought home. When the child is returned to its people, it's quite likely to fill them with stories of what it saw there. A Human couldn't do it, because of the alarms. It would have to be a machine. Then it would provide him an opportunity to send the machine back... hopefully undetected... with a more powerful, more hostile Shadowman. Whether this was excuse to invade/attack, or a play at finding and returning Reynardine, since that's what it grabbed for right away. I've speculated the same possibility. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 28, 2008 23:50:33 GMT
I suspect that Coyote and Ysengrin may be working at cross-purposes to each other, either deliberately or due to lack of communication: "the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing".
What makes me think this is the fact that Y killed Red and Blue after he buried the TicToc: he was eliminating witnesses, and whatever he was trying to accomplish with the TicToc was supposed to be a secret. Maybe Coyote knew about this anyway and allowed it for his own reasons, but Y was trying to work behind his boss' back.
In light of this, I think Y may not be interested in Reynardine at all. The kidnapping attempt seems to have been Coyote's idea; Rey certainly thought it was, and when he accused Coyote of it, Coyote didn't deny it. And as soon as Rey showed up at the parlay, Coyote suddenly focused completely on him, while Y apparently just wanted to pick a fight.
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Post by tyler on Oct 29, 2008 0:23:55 GMT
I suspect that Coyote and Ysengrin may be working at cross-purposes to each other, either deliberately or due to lack of communication: "the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing". Either that, or Coyote's just doing what he thinks is best regardless of what Ys thinks... Coyote's a GOD and all... |
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Post by King Mir on Nov 2, 2008 19:43:50 GMT
I'm surprised nobody's suggested that the eye above the red head is Shadow 2. The eye has the same shape as the eyes under the glass eyed men.
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Post by Per on Nov 2, 2008 20:52:28 GMT
I'm surprised nobody's suggested that the eye above the red head is Shadow 2. The eye has the same shape as the eyes under the glass eyed men. I've actually been pondering this in the last couple of days. Coyote has the eye designs on him and created the glass-eyed men, and S2 would certainly count as a forest element in the Court. With the proliferation of eye themes it's difficult to say (the seeds are also vaguely eye-shaped, and Rey etc.), but I think it's at least more likely than the eye being Jeanne or a halo. *speculinate* |
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