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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 20, 2021 7:03:40 GMT
Good advice: Don't make your wife sad. Also: The only way "Loup" is already dead is if they later go back in time to kill him before now.
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Post by philman on Oct 20, 2021 7:06:54 GMT
I don't think the idea of Loup hiding in the court is as reassuring as you think it is little guys...
Also I think Shell is melting, watch out
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Post by aline on Oct 20, 2021 7:10:33 GMT
Good advice: Don't make your wife sad. Also: The only way "Loup" is already dead is if they later go back in time to kill him before now. She didn't say dead, she said gone. And then added "he must be hiding in the Court". Which is totally cool and not upsetting in any way, I mean, what could go wrong. |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Oct 20, 2021 7:13:13 GMT
So they mean that Loup's presence was intrinsically linked to the whole Forest, and since he used it to crash the Court and then let go completely, they can't sense him anymore?
Why is that a good thing for the Forest? I thought Coyote/Loup was responsible for keeping the Forest together? In that respect, does that mean the Forest before Coyote was a terrible eldricht horror, or did Coyote change it in some we so that it became dependent on his intervention?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 20, 2021 7:19:33 GMT
Good advice: Don't make your wife sad. Also: The only way "Loup" is already dead is if they later go back in time to kill him before now. She didn't say dead, she said gone. And then added "he must be hiding in the Court". Which is totally cool and not upsetting in any way, I mean, what could go wrong. The only way he'd be gone is if he was dead. I think what they mean is that he's no longer supporting/integrated with the Wood. Presumably that just means the Wood will go back to the status quo from before Coyote arrived. He probably could have gotten to Antimony if he'd wanted to, or the other people from the Court. He may be going after Renard, or perhaps the Court's overall plan which I guess means the ether extractors. |
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Post by davidm on Oct 20, 2021 7:32:01 GMT
So they mean that Loup's presence was intrinsically linked to the whole Forest, and since he used it to crash the Court and then let go completely, they can't sense him anymore? Why is that a good thing for the Forest? I thought Coyote/Loup was responsible for keeping the Forest together? In that respect, does that mean the Forest before Coyote was a terrible eldricht horror, or did Coyote change it in some we so that it became dependent on his intervention? We have occasionally seen forest have some very dangerous/nasty creatures.... possible without leadership forest would be much nastier place to live just like how in our world Montreal became nasty place to live when police went on strike for a day in 1969. In our world, if a house is vacant and unwatched, there is risk that kids will smash it up for the fun of it, because they can get away with it. If murder was ok, there probably would be some kids running around murdering weaker people for the fun of it. Recently in news near Philadelphia a girl was getting harassed and raped for 40 minutes on a train and the other passengers held up phones and recorded the scene without helping the girl. |
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Post by ebaaus on Oct 20, 2021 7:39:24 GMT
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Post by bicarbonat on Oct 20, 2021 8:20:50 GMT
Good advice: Don't make your wife sad. Also: The only way "Loup" is already dead is if they later go back in time to kill him before now. She didn't say dead, she said gone. And then added "he must be hiding in the Court". Which is totally cool and not upsetting in any way, I mean, what could go wrong. Maybe he's getting a snack* from the cafeteria. So, this might turn into a painfully protracted hunt on the grounds for a once-noble/beloved, now rabid dog. Barring the Not-So-Subtle Knife, what else could stop him? I wonder if Renard would even have the juice to leverage his fatal body-swap powers, considering Loup's...[gestures] the way that he is. * The snack is the Headmaster's head. |
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Post by speedwell on Oct 20, 2021 8:51:25 GMT
The way ebaaus's avatar is looking at the clip of Shell practically losing her mind is hilarious, what can I say  Also, bicarbonat's "not so subtle knife" crack... (chef's kiss). But Aata's knowing smile... hey, if someone outed me to my crush in front of them and they got a smile like that on their face, I'd be a happy woman. Also, the fairies not being able to sense Loup is no more or less than that they are unable to sense him, not necessarily that he is gone, dead, or anything else. However, the mention that the "rest of us" are "hiding in the Court"... are there none left in the wood then? |
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Post by blahzor on Oct 20, 2021 9:27:54 GMT
Aata isn't good enough for Shell
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Post by blahzor on Oct 20, 2021 9:32:41 GMT
Good advice: Don't make your wife sad. Also: The only way "Loup" is already dead is if they later go back in time to kill him before now. She didn't say dead, she said gone. And then added "he must be hiding in the Court". Which is totally cool and not upsetting in any way, I mean, what could go wrong. Loup/Coyote will finally run into Kat |
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Post by maxptc on Oct 20, 2021 13:21:43 GMT
And the legend of the Pretty Flower Man who bravely forced the monster known as Loup into hiding was passed down from fairy to fairy for the rest of history.
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Post by Gemminie on Oct 20, 2021 14:19:26 GMT
Well, they don't expand on their "pretty man" comment, but the two fairies tell Aata that he "got rid of" Loup. In the sense that they can't sense his presence anymore. Parley and Annie glance at each other with an "Uh-oh" sort of look when the fairies conclude that Loup must be hiding in the Court "like the rest of us" (they probably mean all the rest of the Forest creatures in the other cavern over there, but do they mean other Forest creatures somewhere else?). This doesn't mean that Loup is hiding in the Court, but they think that's the most plausible scenario.
Then, amusingly, they offhandedly call Shell Aata's wife, which makes Shell super embarrassed and certainly cheers Aata up. We don't know what kind of relationship they have outside the job. Is it more than professional? Or is it just something that at least Shell wishes were the case, if not Aata as well?
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Post by Gemminie on Oct 20, 2021 14:24:57 GMT
So they mean that Loup's presence was intrinsically linked to the whole Forest, and since he used it to crash the Court and then let go completely, they can't sense him anymore? Why is that a good thing for the Forest? I thought Coyote/Loup was responsible for keeping the Forest together? In that respect, does that mean the Forest before Coyote was a terrible eldricht horror, or did Coyote change it in some we so that it became dependent on his intervention? I can't answer this question categorically, but the impression I've gathered is that the Court would have overrun and destroyed the Forest long ago if it weren't for Coyote's intervention, and when he died, Loup took over that protective role, only he did it by freezing the Forest in time while he tried to figure out how Coyote did it. So the Court was dependent on Coyote because the Court's growth was going to destroy the Forest if he did nothing, so he decided that things would be more fun if there were still a Forest (perhaps to be the Court's foil). |
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 20, 2021 14:41:05 GMT
“ In Which Shell’s Fangirl Crush Is Casually Exposed” Then, amusingly, they offhandedly call Shell Aata's wife, which makes Shell super embarrassed and certainly cheers Aata up. We don't know what kind of relationship they have outside the job. Is it more than professional? Or is it just something that at least Shell wishes were the case, if not Aata as well? Or we could consider the possibility that he's just glad there are sort-of-good new. And/Or fairies aren't much more on top of the situation than he is. Or he simply considers messy human things like Shell's “secret” crush somewhat amusing. |
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 20, 2021 15:28:57 GMT
For tiny creatures, they drop big truth bombs.
The unease of Loup being MIA intensifies. I'm betting he's disguised, and they(and we) will run into him without realizing.
The chance of Loup running into Kat is very interesting.
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Post by bedinsis on Oct 20, 2021 15:58:20 GMT
And the legend of the Pretty Flower Man who bravely forced the monster known as Loup into hiding was passed down from fairy to fairy for the rest of history. Would that be an example of a... fairy-tale? |
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 20, 2021 18:16:31 GMT
So they mean that Loup's presence was intrinsically linked to the whole Forest, and since he used it to crash the Court and then let go completely, they can't sense him anymore? Why is that a good thing for the Forest? I thought Coyote/Loup was responsible for keeping the Forest together? In that respect, does that mean the Forest before Coyote was a terrible eldritch horror, or did Coyote change it in some we so that it became dependent on his intervention? Khepi once provided a pretty good summary of how the Forest people see Coyote: dangerous, but he usually keeps outta the way, and his presence seems to make everything more abundant.
Loup also gave us a bit of insider's info on how that "presence" actually worked...my interpretation, at least, is that the Forest was relatively normal before (besides all the magical creatures, I mean), but Coyote's "chaotic branches" got woven so deeply into the Forest's patch of reality that when they deteriorated, the nature of reality within there also started deteriorating.
Anyway, my main point is was going to make here is: Loup was responsible for keeping the Forest together, but not only he did a totally sh*t job of it, he also didn't seem to mind terrorizing large groups of Forest folk who hadn't provoked him in any way. So I'd say the fairies are actually pretty justified in celebrating his removal. After all, having no leader can be pretty bad sometimes, but having an insane, malicious, leader can be much worse!
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Post by drmemory on Oct 20, 2021 18:30:48 GMT
So we're 100% sure that the fairy was talking to Aata there, right? Not Annie? I think that's right, just checking. More important, I think this starts to explain what happened here. Those bricks have always bothered me. I almost convinced myself he was building a wall around himself, but now that we know he "let go of the forest"... It seems like that wall is made of components of both the forest and the court. Makes me think of the Seed Bismuth.
Agree Loup isn't dead. I believe he is hiding. What that means? Dunno.
Consensus is that Shell is young, and has a crush on her boss, right? Not a wife?
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Post by echo on Oct 20, 2021 20:21:02 GMT
Good advice: Don't make your wife sad. Also: The only way "Loup" is already dead is if they later go back in time to kill him before now. Time travel seems like a bad idea, though. |
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Post by speedwell on Oct 20, 2021 23:20:15 GMT
Consensus is that Shell is young, and has a crush on her boss, right? Not a wife?
We don't have any idea, actually. I have always thought of Shell as being in her early 30s. Aata could be any adult age at all other than very young or very old. She certainly has an attachment to him that is uncomfortable for her to have brought out in public. I have a feeling that her devotion is not lost on him, and is not unwelcome either - it's just that he's sensitive enough to spare her feelings and to keep things professional while they must work together. It strikes me that he does this in order to preserve appearances and forestall accusations of favouritism within the Shadow Men team. I personally think Aata is a demigod (we don't see a lot of those in the universe; people are usually either full-on gods or servants of the gods or magical beings), likely a Hindu one, and could be over a thousand years old. Divine status and the powers that come with it could explain why he views commonplace etheric manipulation as something different and distasteful. As we see with Jones, age is no barrier to an ancient being's attachment to a human. However, if he is a demigod then he may see Shell as basically his chief worshipper. The fairies twigged to the fact that she is certainly his chief attachment. "It's complicated." As for Shell, I think her etheric appearance is likely to be plain but innocent and pure, like a moor on a sunny day. She is plain, of course, and likely has her issues with that, but we know quite well by now that outward appearances aren't trustworthy guides. |
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Post by drmemory on Oct 21, 2021 0:59:37 GMT
As for Shell, I think her etheric appearance is likely to be plain but innocent and pure, like a moor on a sunny day. She is plain, of course, and likely has her issues with that, but we know quite well by now that outward appearances aren't trustworthy guides. I hope we get to see Shell's etheric appearance. Given how things have gone, I wonder if she may not also have some sort of etheric powers or manifestation? That might explain why Aata tried to send her off to the rest of the shadow men - he pretty much seems to know what's going on, even if he's not as powerful as Coyote - so he'd almost certainly know her situation, whatever it is.
Not sure about plain-ness. Maybe? I would not have expected Aata to manifest as a flower-bedecked Hindu Deva, so who knows what Shell will show up as. Maybe a motionless, grey non-etheric being that can't see what's going on, or maybe not.
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Post by blahzor on Oct 21, 2021 9:33:45 GMT
Loup = UltraVison
Kat = ironically The Watcher (or Ultimate Soccer Supreme)
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Post by speedwell on Oct 21, 2021 10:49:23 GMT
As for Shell, I think her etheric appearance is likely to be plain but innocent and pure, like a moor on a sunny day. She is plain, of course, and likely has her issues with that, but we know quite well by now that outward appearances aren't trustworthy guides. I hope we get to see Shell's etheric appearance. Given how things have gone, I wonder if she may not also have some sort of etheric powers or manifestation? That might explain why Aata tried to send her off to the rest of the shadow men - he pretty much seems to know what's going on, even if he's not as powerful as Coyote - so he'd almost certainly know her situation, whatever it is.
Not sure about plain-ness. Maybe? I would not have expected Aata to manifest as a flower-bedecked Hindu Deva, so who knows what Shell will show up as. Maybe a motionless, grey non-etheric being that can't see what's going on, or maybe not.
I think Shell is deliberately drawn as a plain, shy, and slightly awkward woman, and, moreover, one who thinks of herself that way and carries it like shame. (Sure, many if not most women can sympathise.) Aata would hardly be so specially attached to someone who wasn't attractive to him, I feel, though the tastes of demigods as to their followers are not my specialty. She could indeed be merely his Watson, but I remind you that Watson himself, despite being an ordinary decent sort and not extremely exciting, was no slouch. |
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Post by ohthatone on Oct 21, 2021 14:43:02 GMT
Consensus is that Shell is young, and has a crush on her boss, right? Not a wife?
We don't have any idea, actually. I have always thought of Shell as being in her early 30s. Aata could be any adult age at all other than very young or very old. She certainly has an attachment to him that is uncomfortable for her to have brought out in public. I have a feeling that her devotion is not lost on him, and is not unwelcome either - it's just that he's sensitive enough to spare her feelings and to keep things professional while they must work together. It strikes me that he does this in order to preserve appearances and forestall accusations of favouritism within the Shadow Men team. Oh I always thought Shell was more a recent grad, early 20s. The crush does seem to be one sided, but it's interesting that no one corrects the fairy. Perhaps they just figure there's no point in arguing with a fairy or just don't want to get into it. Or they understand the fairies well enough in that whatever the nature of Shell and Aata's relationship is, it's close enough to a marriage for them so it's pointless to dispute it. |
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Post by fia on Oct 21, 2021 18:20:12 GMT
Consensus is that Shell is young, and has a crush on her boss, right? Not a wife?
I think for the fairies "wife" is an emotional relationship, not a legal one. Remember Red and Ayilu? It's possible they would say "wife" even if it was one-sided, but I suspect they can see evidence that indicates otherwise. (Aata willing to be kicked out of the program so Shell won't die – not guaranteed to be romantic love, but love of an important sort). |
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Post by speedwell on Oct 22, 2021 13:24:18 GMT
Consensus is that Shell is young, and has a crush on her boss, right? Not a wife?
I think for the fairies "wife" is an emotional relationship, not a legal one. Remember Red and Ayilu? It's possible they would say "wife" even if it was one-sided, but I suspect they can see evidence that indicates otherwise. (Aata willing to be kicked out of the program so Shell won't die – not guaranteed to be romantic love, but love of an important sort). In many religions and magickal traditions, a marriage (whether or not consummated) confers not only spiritual responsibilities but special mystical protections and privileges on each spouse, come to think of it. If certain of those protections exist between Aata and Shell, the fairies may well assume they are married. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 22, 2021 17:29:31 GMT
As far as the "wife" thing goes, I thought seemed like a bit of slightly odd word choice for wild Forest denizens...and then I remembered the last time this happened. Seems like Forest creatures as a whole might just have a slightly distorted view of human marriage, which makes them pretty quick to assume any sort of intimacy between humans automatically equals marriage.
I wonder if Red would consider her and Ayilu to be married. ...I wonder if Red would consider Annie and Kat to be married. Now that would be awkward!
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Post by speedwell on Oct 23, 2021 2:49:34 GMT
I wonder if Red would consider her and Ayilu to be married. ...I wonder if Red would consider Annie and Kat to be married. Now that would be awkward!
I vote "definitely" on Red and Ayilu, and I suspected that ever since Red adopted the precise kind of attitude toward Annie that a spouse often adopts toward a person who is trying to break up their marriage. I don't mean jealousy. I mean the "I know what you're up to even if you don't so butt the hell out and don't talk to either of us anymore" thing. |
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Post by csj on Oct 23, 2021 13:24:54 GMT
everyone's favourite sequel to city face
tomato face
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