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I just think it's a pity that she never wore these again.
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Post by V on Sept 27, 2021 7:01:00 GMT
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Post by philman on Sept 27, 2021 7:07:07 GMT
Hmm, these look like much older buildings than the Court we know, look like 1800s architechture. Is this the remnants of the Old Court?
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Post by baphomet on Sept 27, 2021 7:19:29 GMT
Maybe it's a piece of the zimmyverse somehow? Similar colors and jagged things, but I have no idea how that would be the case.
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Post by madjack on Sept 27, 2021 7:25:35 GMT
Looking like a good chunk of the Court and Forest are probably indistinguishable from each other where the two meet.
Edit: If these are the tunnels that the monsters and Idra used to enter the Court in the first place, why haven't they collapsed? That was a hell of a lot of force Loup put the Forest under, unless they were a lot further down, and the search party has been going downwards?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 27, 2021 7:43:40 GMT
Without knowing how far the distortion of the Wood might have carried people and changed the landscape, and how far they travelled in the tunnels, it could easily be either a recently-buried building or a relic from before the divide... There are (were?) older buildings within the Court so I'm unsure architecture clues could tell us anything other than it's not obviously modern. With the Court's budget it wouldn't surprise me if they were still making brand new structures with slate roofs and lead-framed glass in old styles up to present day, though presumably they wouldn't need to. Anyway, it's buried instead of looking intentionally-demolished like we've seen before so I'm inclined to think the building was recently buried. Hopefully the search for survivors will include looking inside and we'll see some items that will let us know. [edit] During a quick reread of ch. 44 I did note two other relevant things. There is some wave-shaped terrain we saw at the end of the chapter, looking rather overgrown and worn, and there was that time Ys called Antimony beautiful in her fire that I'd forgotten (which goes to confirming/clarifying how "Loup" feels).[/edit] |
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Post by jda on Sept 27, 2021 8:26:31 GMT
Suddenly, you find what looks like the window of an ancient ruin, and you look around, hoping it is not the entrance of the long forgotten dungeon of Perils...
Roll Perception.
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Post by blahzor on Sept 27, 2021 8:41:26 GMT
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Post by Per on Sept 27, 2021 13:31:21 GMT
"You maniacs! You blew it up!"
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 27, 2021 14:11:35 GMT
My money's on this not being a recent Court building.
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 27, 2021 14:16:27 GMT
Quant two-floor townhouse. Rustic locaction. No street noise. Slight floor slant. GREAT BUY!!
The Court's Craigslist game is point. I doubt they'll mention any acts of an adolescent god, though.
Still the question is, is that old Court or recent Court? Looks old style to me.
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Post by Gemminie on Sept 27, 2021 16:23:57 GMT
Annie may be a bit overwhelmed by the number of Forest creatures present, but she seems to be handling things, going right into triage mode. We see her ask whether anyone's hurt; the next logical questions would be whether there are any missing and what they've been doing about the situation so far. But then we sort of pan away from her and onto James and Parley, who did in fact follow her here. First comes the obvious practical question: is it feasible for Parley to teleport all of these creatures out of the tunnel? The answer is sort of, but it would take a long time. It seems their time would be better spent looking for another way to get them all out. And then James notices something. There's a building down here, or part of one at least. That seems odd, doesn't it? There are really only two possibilities: it's a Court building that was inundated by Loup's Forest wave, or it was already there below the Forest's surface. That second possibility is far more tantalizing. We know that there are ruined buildings in the Forest – when Coyote drew his dividing line, some of the Court's buildings were on the Forest side of that line, and they've gradually fallen to ruin. Could this be a remnant of one of those buildings? Or, perhaps, were buildings continuing to grow beneath the Forest's surface, because the Seed Bismuth was still down there, and that's one of the things that Loup has had to contend with as he's tried to control the Forest? This building seems to be entirely gray; either its building materials are all gray, or it's covered in a gray dust (which would seem strange given that all the dirt and wood around it are brownish). Maybe the Forest people know something about it? I'm glad this page continues the grand GKC tradition of giving us mysterious things to speculate about while we wait for the next page. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 27, 2021 16:34:21 GMT
Please recall: none of the people on this page have any idea that the Forest "wave" went past the boundary into the Court. That's only been privy to us readers so far.
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Post by Isildur on Sept 27, 2021 18:23:27 GMT
Is that a "gray" alien at the left edge of panel 2? I guess they could count as mythical creatures, of sorts.  |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 27, 2021 18:47:15 GMT
Is that a "gray" alien at the left edge of panel 2? I guess they could count as mythical creatures, of sorts. I guess throughout the 20th and 21st century enough people who believed in the Grays could have died to bring them into existence. What made them come to Gillitie of all places, though...
We know that there are ruined buildings in the Forest – when Coyote drew his dividing line, some of the Court's buildings were on the Forest side of that line, and they've gradually fallen to ruin. According to Diego, all the buildings on the Forest side were razed. But maybe that included the possibility of burying them? |
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Post by fia on Sept 27, 2021 19:38:56 GMT
Please recall: none of the people on this page have any idea that the Forest "wave" went past the boundary into the Court. That's only been privy to us readers so far. Yeah, I agree. To me it looks like a standard New York City / Manhattan apartment building, with touches of vintage ornamentation. Doubtless something the Court would have somewhere, that may have ended up buried in the sludge. |
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Post by jda on Sept 27, 2021 20:16:57 GMT
Ok, Annie, I know you are kind of in shock still, but... not a single flicker of wondering about Reynardine, even if he were not your Familiar and you able to use him as a drone camera about the outside? Shame.
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Post by drmemory on Sept 28, 2021 0:10:16 GMT
I'm guessing these are buildings from before the forest and court were split. Maybe it's time to learn more about the Seed Bismuth? I think the only other old pre-split buildings we've seen were back when Ysengrin was training Annie, introducing her to some of the less camera-ready forest dwellers. Now that I think about it, not only were there old buildings there, but the Seed was also mentioned. The wisps like to mix truth with their lies, right? Not the first time we've heard of tunnels though - the other wisps supposedly got into the court via a tunnel, and Idra said she followed "some creeps" through "these tunnels" to get into the court. So at that time, there were creeps and at least one tree elf in the tunnels, and some went into the court. So the big question here is, have these guys (the current, non-creep guys) been down there in the tunnel all along, unfrozen? Or what? If so, how did they survive down there for months? If they weren't down there all along, why did they end up there when Loup "released the forest", if that's really what he did? Ok, I guess that's more than one big question.  To actually add some (probable) facts to the conversation, I think we can infer that there is a whole tunnel system down there, as they keep being referred to as "the tunnels" rather than "the tunnel" or "the hole". Also, we know that at one point there was at least one such tunnel that led into (under) the court. So Annie could probably lead the critters trapped in the tunnels into the court. Not sure that's such a good idea, though. Want to bet the tunnels run all over the place, under the forest and under the court, and that they've been there for a long time? |
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Post by blahzor on Sept 28, 2021 0:55:55 GMT
Is that a "gray" alien at the left edge of panel 2? I guess they could count as mythical creatures, of sorts. I guess throughout the 20th and 21st century enough people who believed in the Grays could have died to bring them into existence. What made them come to Gillitie of all places, though... We know that there are ruined buildings in the Forest – when Coyote drew his dividing line, some of the Court's buildings were on the Forest side of that line, and they've gradually fallen to ruin. According to Diego, all the buildings on the Forest side were razed. But maybe that included the possibility of burying them? tourist trap and the grays just decided to live there |
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Post by saardvark on Sept 28, 2021 11:28:26 GMT
ah, the gumdrop creatures (saying "ah, medium!" in panel 1) and the brushy-haired nasal gnome (front left, panel 2) from www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1193are back with us. Yay! |
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Post by Corvo on Sept 28, 2021 14:27:29 GMT
Probably part of Fun City. I guess Y's army will soon show up for some dramatic impact. |
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Post by machiavelli33 on Sept 29, 2021 1:16:19 GMT
"You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to HELL!"
"Yeah - Loup brought the whole forest down and smashed it all - you were there dude, why are you yelling?"
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 29, 2021 5:11:21 GMT
"You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to HELL!"  I love it when I get to reuse fanarts. |
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Post by coastal on Sept 29, 2021 22:32:10 GMT
Can't believe nobody has mentioned the darling wug in the second panel...
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Post by Isildur on Sept 30, 2021 4:10:57 GMT
Is that a "gray" alien at the left edge of panel 2? I guess they could count as mythical creatures, of sorts. I guess throughout the 20th and 21st century enough people who believed in the Grays could have died to bring them into existence. What made them come to Gillitie of all places, though...
We know that there are ruined buildings in the Forest – when Coyote drew his dividing line, some of the Court's buildings were on the Forest side of that line, and they've gradually fallen to ruin. According to Diego, all the buildings on the Forest side were razed. But maybe that included the possibility of burying them? Wait, is there in-comic confirmation or WoG that believers *have* to die to bring the Forest creatures into being? Are you extrapolating from the dying man who saw a coyote? Coyote's statements on 1071-1072 explained how the belief could survive the man's solitary death by being absorbed into the ether, but I didn't interpret that as necessarily defining the *only* way belief could manifest. |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 30, 2021 11:26:57 GMT
I guess throughout the 20th and 21st century enough people who believed in the Grays could have died to bring them into existence. What made them come to Gillitie of all places, though...
According to Diego, all the buildings on the Forest side were razed. But maybe that included the possibility of burying them? Wait, is there in-comic confirmation or WoG that believers *have* to die to bring the Forest creatures into being? Are you extrapolating from the dying man who saw a coyote? Coyote's statements on 1071-1072 explained how the belief could survive the man's solitary death by being absorbed into the ether, but I didn't interpret that as necessarily defining the *only* way belief could manifest. I am indeed operating on the assumption that Coyote's theory is true. He did not claim this was the only way to bring belief into the Ether, but he certainly did not mention there being any others. The great importance he put on the guides bringing dead people into the Ether and Moddhey Dhoo confirming that bringing them there allows the Ether to continue functioning and the world to spin at least strongly suggests that it is the only, or at least the most important way.
What makes all of this so complicated is that Coyote and Jones also hint at the creation of mythical beings working retroactively. That is, they might come into being before anyone believed in them, because later believers died and brought their image of a being that has already existed in the past into the Ether. Applying it to the current example: A number of people believe in the Grays -> those people die and their souls fuel the Ether -> at one point, enough belief in the Grays has entered the Ether to bring them into being -> but that belief claims the Grays started visiting Earth 70 years ago -> so that is retroactively made true and they actually have been there -> which retcons all or many of the times someone saw a Gray into having been genuine -> and it has always been that way! Feeling dizzy yet?
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Post by migrantworker on Sept 30, 2021 14:44:01 GMT
Wait, is there in-comic confirmation or WoG that believers *have* to die to bring the Forest creatures into being? Are you extrapolating from the dying man who saw a coyote? Coyote's statements on 1071-1072 explained how the belief could survive the man's solitary death by being absorbed into the ether, but I didn't interpret that as necessarily defining the *only* way belief could manifest. I am indeed operating on the assumption that Coyote's theory is true. He did not claim this was the only way to bring belief into the Ether, but he certainly did not mention there being any others. The great importance he put on the guides bringing dead people into the Ether and Moddhey Dhoo confirming that bringing them there allows the Ether to continue functioning and the world to spin at least strongly suggests that it is the only, or at least the most important way.
What makes all of this so complicated is that Coyote and Jones also hint at the creation of mythical beings working retroactively. That is, they might come into being before anyone believed in them, because later believers died and brought their image of a being that has already existed in the past into the Ether. Applying it to the current example: A number of people believe in the Grays -> those people die and their souls fuel the Ether -> at one point, enough belief in the Grays has entered the Ether to bring them into being -> but that belief claims the Grays started visiting Earth 70 years ago -> so that is retroactively made true and they actually have been there -> which retcons all or many of the times someone saw a Gray into having been genuine -> and it has always been that way! Feeling dizzy yet?
Turtles all the way down, then. It's always turtles all the way down. |
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Post by Isildur on Oct 1, 2021 22:10:48 GMT
Wait, is there in-comic confirmation or WoG that believers *have* to die to bring the Forest creatures into being? Are you extrapolating from the dying man who saw a coyote? Coyote's statements on 1071-1072 explained how the belief could survive the man's solitary death by being absorbed into the ether, but I didn't interpret that as necessarily defining the *only* way belief could manifest. I am indeed operating on the assumption that Coyote's theory is true. He did not claim this was the only way to bring belief into the Ether, but he certainly did not mention there being any others. The great importance he put on the guides bringing dead people into the Ether and Moddhey Dhoo confirming that bringing them there allows the Ether to continue functioning and the world to spin at least strongly suggests that it is the only, or at least the most important way.
What makes all of this so complicated is that Coyote and Jones also hint at the creation of mythical beings working retroactively. That is, they might come into being before anyone believed in them, because later believers died and brought their image of a being that has already existed in the past into the Ether. Applying it to the current example: A number of people believe in the Grays -> those people die and their souls fuel the Ether -> at one point, enough belief in the Grays has entered the Ether to bring them into being -> but that belief claims the Grays started visiting Earth 70 years ago -> so that is retroactively made true and they actually have been there -> which retcons all or many of the times someone saw a Gray into having been genuine -> and it has always been that way! Feeling dizzy yet?
All good points, but consider the case of Zimmy and her whitelegs. Yes, she's unusual, but she may be an extreme example of human influence rather than an entirely novel phenomenon, at least with regards to bringing forth new creatures. |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 3, 2021 17:50:36 GMT
I am indeed operating on the assumption that Coyote's theory is true. He did not claim this was the only way to bring belief into the Ether, but he certainly did not mention there being any others. The great importance he put on the guides bringing dead people into the Ether and Moddhey Dhoo confirming that bringing them there allows the Ether to continue functioning and the world to spin at least strongly suggests that it is the only, or at least the most important way.
What makes all of this so complicated is that Coyote and Jones also hint at the creation of mythical beings working retroactively. That is, they might come into being before anyone believed in them, because later believers died and brought their image of a being that has already existed in the past into the Ether. Applying it to the current example: A number of people believe in the Grays -> those people die and their souls fuel the Ether -> at one point, enough belief in the Grays has entered the Ether to bring them into being -> but that belief claims the Grays started visiting Earth 70 years ago -> so that is retroactively made true and they actually have been there -> which retcons all or many of the times someone saw a Gray into having been genuine -> and it has always been that way! Feeling dizzy yet?
All good points, but consider the case of Zimmy and her whitelegs. Yes, she's unusual, but she may be an extreme example of human influence rather than an entirely novel phenomenon, at least with regards to bringing forth new creatures. I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that the Whitelegs exists only because of Zimmy and not due to anyone believing in such entities? |
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