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Post by blahzor on Aug 5, 2021 13:55:09 GMT
Hmm, well Coyote made the falling tooth from a rock, to replace the one he made the giggle-tooth-knife out of. The fact it has reverted to a rock suggests that Coyote's power to make and keep it a tooth is now gone. Which maybe means Coyote's powers have left/are leaving Loup(?). Which might mean, this isn't Loup getting insanely angry in the last panel, it is instead maybe Loup actually falling apart, disassociating!?he already didn't have all the powers of coyote to begin with, like his loss of control over the forest which it's safe to assume isn't in the water. so Coyote must have other powers elsewhere or all his powers really required his way of thinking to keep them |
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 5, 2021 14:40:32 GMT
Is that some kind of face, Loup?
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 5, 2021 17:15:33 GMT
he already didn't have all the powers of coyote to begin with, like his loss of control over the forest which it's safe to assume isn't in the water. so Coyote must have other powers elsewhere or all his powers really required his way of thinking to keep them My interpretation (no way to know whether I'm right other than to keep reading the comic, I guess) is that Coyote has Coyote's powers because stories are told about Coyote and have been for a long time. But nobody dies and goes into the Ether believing in Loup, because no stories are told about him; until recently he didn't even exist. It's similar with Renard's possession power: although stories have been told about Renard for a long time, he doesn't have that kind of power in them. |
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Post by manabi on Aug 5, 2021 18:00:22 GMT
See now, this has been the problem with Loup all along, he's one tooth short of a full set. No wonder he's a bit insane.
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Post by warrl on Aug 5, 2021 21:35:25 GMT
Hmm, well Coyote made the falling tooth from a rock, to replace the one he made the giggle-tooth-knife out of. The fact it has reverted to a rock suggests that Coyote's power to make and keep it a tooth is now gone. Which maybe means Coyote's powers have left/are leaving Loup(?). Which might mean, this isn't Loup getting insanely angry in the last panel, it is instead maybe Loup actually falling apart, disassociating!?he already didn't have all the powers of coyote to begin with, like his loss of control over the forest which it's safe to assume isn't in the water. so Coyote must have other powers elsewhere or all his powers really required his way of thinking to keep them There is also a matter of skill. Anything a typical skilled woodworker is physically capable of, so am I. However, that plus giving me a complete high-end woodworking shop would not make me a skilled woodworker. Loup may have all of Coyote's tools, but if he doesn't know how to use them well... |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Aug 5, 2021 23:15:39 GMT
Parley, get Everyone back to the court right now!
We may well be about to see the limits of her teleportation powers.
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Post by haliphas on Aug 6, 2021 5:48:37 GMT
he already didn't have all the powers of coyote to begin with, like his loss of control over the forest which it's safe to assume isn't in the water. so Coyote must have other powers elsewhere or all his powers really required his way of thinking to keep them There is also a matter of skill. Anything a typical skilled woodworker is physically capable of, so am I. However, that plus giving me a complete high-end woodworking shop would not make me a skilled woodworker. Loup may have all of Coyote's tools, but if he doesn't know how to use them well... I don't even know that it's about skill. Imo, Coyote could do impossible things like pulling the moon down for Firehead Girl to poke at because he had no concept of there being anything impossible for him. For beings at Loup and Coyote's power level, I think the real limiter is imagination. Edit: idk that anyone will even see this but it feels too tacky to quote myself - I was thinking about this a bit more and I just want to point out something that I think perfectly illustrates what I'm talking about. All those powers of Coyote's that Loup has been so obsessed with getting back? Coyote didn't always have them! At least not all of them. In Coyote! he adopts entirely new aspects on the fly to suit his whims because, well, why not? Why shouldn't he be able to do that? He's Coyote! Loup has the power, but he's bound by Ys' preconceptions of what is possible - and Ys could not imagine himself being greater than Coyote. |
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Post by blahzor on Aug 6, 2021 6:29:45 GMT
he already didn't have all the powers of coyote to begin with, like his loss of control over the forest which it's safe to assume isn't in the water. so Coyote must have other powers elsewhere or all his powers really required his way of thinking to keep them My interpretation (no way to know whether I'm right other than to keep reading the comic, I guess) is that Coyote has Coyote's powers because stories are told about Coyote and have been for a long time. But nobody dies and goes into the Ether believing in Loup, because no stories are told about him; until recently he didn't even exist. It's similar with Renard's possession power: although stories have been told about Renard for a long time, he doesn't have that kind of power in them. what if Coyote tells Loup he'd have to kill some humans or keep losing powers/control so court humans would make stories about him and his might |
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Post by drmemory on Aug 7, 2021 23:52:27 GMT
Your body has existed since at least medieval times, Loup, that it has lost one tooth over the years should not be something to get hung up about. --- This is a great page. You can see Loup's thought process; first panel fear/nervousness over the person that is set to kill him; third to fifth panel examining if there is truth in what the memory of Coyote told him, fifth panel shock at Coyote was telling the truth, sixth panel the ensuing rage/madness. That seems plausible. So if the white spot is gone entirely, what does THAT mean? No more veils over his memory? I wonder what else Coyote whispered to him?
I really hope Aata gets taken out here. I really, REALLY do not want him around if Annie ends up powered up or even is just known to have the tooth.
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 8, 2021 17:38:03 GMT
Hmm, well Coyote made the falling tooth from a rock, to replace the one he made the giggle-tooth-knife out of. The fact it has reverted to a rock suggests that Coyote's power to make and keep it a tooth is now gone. Which maybe means Coyote's powers have left/are leaving Loup(?). Which might mean, this isn't Loup getting insanely angry in the last panel, it is instead maybe Loup actually falling apart, disassociating!?he already didn't have all the powers of coyote to begin with, like his loss of control over the forest which it's safe to assume isn't in the water. so Coyote must have other powers elsewhere or all his powers really required his way of thinking to keep them |
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Post by drmemory on Aug 9, 2021 0:25:48 GMT
Is there a "what was that plan, anyway" thread? I haven't spotted it yet, so here:
I think Coyote has one more thing he wants to experience - going into the ether. It's almost logical if you're a bored god-dog and have already done all this planning to arrange for yourself to be killed. A lot of the visible parts of his plan seem to be heading for that.
Note that this is not a big answer to what is going on, even if true! Coyote is quite a schemer, and I'm sure his overall plan also encompasses what happens to his power, to Ysengrin, to Loup (both probably going along), to the forest, to the court, to Renard, to Annie, etc.
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Post by drmemory on Aug 9, 2021 0:40:20 GMT
he already didn't have all the powers of coyote to begin with, like his loss of control over the forest which it's safe to assume isn't in the water. so Coyote must have other powers elsewhere or all his powers really required his way of thinking to keep them Wasn't there some discussion about whether Coyote really gives away powers rather than giving away copies of powers a while back? The reason I bring this up, is that I went back and stared at the page pyradonis linked here, and realized that memory Coyote had his red stripe.
Which is his strength.
Which we saw him give to Ysengrin, triggering the bad event and the creation of Loup.
Well, we know he's tricky! So who can say?  Maybe his memory fragments have his full powers! |
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Post by blahzor on Aug 9, 2021 4:56:21 GMT
Wasn't there some discussion about whether Coyote really gives away powers rather than giving away copies of powers a while back? The reason I bring this up, is that I went back and stared at the page pyradonis linked here, and realized that memory Coyote had his red stripe. Which is his strength. Which we saw him give to Ysengrin, triggering the bad event and the creation of Loup. Well, we know he's tricky! So who can say? Maybe his memory fragments have his full powers! he's giving out copies of powers he already copied, he should upgrade his printer |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 9, 2021 17:14:15 GMT
Wasn't there some discussion about whether Coyote really gives away powers rather than giving away copies of powers a while back? The reason I bring this up, is that I went back and stared at the page pyradonis linked here, and realized that memory Coyote had his red stripe.
Which is his strength.
Which we saw him give to Ysengrin, triggering the bad event and the creation of Loup.
Well, we know he's tricky! So who can say? Maybe his memory fragments have his full powers! Tom said when Coyote gives away a power he truly gives it away and cannot access it any more. I guess his memory fragments have the powers he had when he hid them away (so, strength yes, but no possession or control over the trees). |
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Post by blahzor on Aug 10, 2021 11:47:32 GMT
Wasn't there some discussion about whether Coyote really gives away powers rather than giving away copies of powers a while back? The reason I bring this up, is that I went back and stared at the page pyradonis linked here, and realized that memory Coyote had his red stripe. Which is his strength. Which we saw him give to Ysengrin, triggering the bad event and the creation of Loup. Well, we know he's tricky! So who can say? Maybe his memory fragments have his full powers! Tom said when Coyote gives away a power he truly gives it away and cannot access it any more. I guess his memory fragments have the powers he had when he hid them away (so, strength yes, but no possession or control over the trees). except in theory Coyote can get any power he wants back due to his ability to get them in the first place is to just want them for himself |
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Maybe his memory fragments have his full powers!