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Post by madjack on Aug 4, 2021 7:02:00 GMT
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Aug 4, 2021 7:02:47 GMT
Don't you just LoSe YoUr MiNd when you find out one of your teeth is JUST A ROCK!!??
His white spot is GONE... I have no idea what this would mean....
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Post by aline on Aug 4, 2021 7:04:09 GMT
Soooooo he's not taking it well, then
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Post by madjack on Aug 4, 2021 7:05:34 GMT
After giving this all the thought it was due, in their position this is about the time you'd be, I don't know, running like hell? I wonder if it's hurts for a god to get a tooth pulled... His white spot is GONE... I have no idea what this would mean.... Gonna guess that it's because he's got all Coyote's memories back, seeing as the white spot was roughly where Coyote pulled Ys memories from.
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Post by mzpx on Aug 4, 2021 7:06:20 GMT
Hats down to Tom - gorgeous page with Loup's outline slowly losing definition as he's clocking what's happening.
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Post by aline on Aug 4, 2021 7:07:32 GMT
Don't you just LoSe YoUr MiNd when you find out one of your teeth is JUST A ROCK!!?? His white spot is GONE... I have no idea what this would mean.... The return of the lost memories? That spot got smaller and changed shapes after Annie returned the goose bone.
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Post by bedinsis on Aug 4, 2021 7:10:01 GMT
Your body has existed since at least medieval times, Loup, that it has lost one tooth over the years should not be something to get hung up about.
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This is a great page. You can see Loup's thought process; first panel fear/nervousness over the person that is set to kill him; third to fifth panel examining if there is truth in what the memory of Coyote told him, fifth panel shock at Coyote was telling the truth, sixth panel the ensuing rage/madness.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 4, 2021 7:26:00 GMT
Am thinking that the distorted panels and subjects are the result of "Loup" losing it like Antimony did back in Ch. 31 which makes me wonder if he's weighing (in an unbalanced way) if he should do something he said he wouldn't. Next page should be an action one.
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Post by blahzor on Aug 4, 2021 8:41:25 GMT
losing the sense of self and will probably need the dagger back to think he is whole again but this just increases his chance to get stabbed by it
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Post by silicondream on Aug 4, 2021 8:48:49 GMT
Oh man, Loup is such a kindergartener. "Wait a minute...pieces of my body just leave? But I was gonna use them for stuff! My lips aren't pointy! Aaahhhh!" I hope Annie doesn't kill him. I get why Coyote put her up to the task, because Guides are basically in the business of euthanizing etheric beings even if they think of it as "helping souls pass on," and she needs to come to terms with what that means for her and her mom. But Loup's a baby. We've seen him go through so much emotional development, from his infantile "whee, smash the Hum-Ants' sand castle" moment to his toddler "Bitter, am I?" tantrum to his current legit attempts at making moral arguments. "Then this will not be your fault!"--wait, you're thinking about fault now? Good job, pup! You've got lots of potential, you're still a meristomatozoic light-year from retirement! IIRC, we've never seen Loup kill. Ysengrin and Coyote were both predators, though Coyote seems to apply a certain amount of compassion to the calling. ("I only eat bodies that have been voluntarily abandoned...and Wisps! Heh. Fuck Wisps.") Annie kills when she has to (and they're Wisps), so do Eggers and Parley. Loup is aggressively posturing here, as he does so often, but he's the innocent in the room. What will he choose? Savage everyone, make peace, let Annie shank him for a Journey To The Underworld arc? The Choice Is Someone's!
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Post by silicondream on Aug 4, 2021 8:59:08 GMT
Also, Loup's entire philosophical process so far: "Dog or wolf? Dog or wolf? WOLF!! I'm such a badass! Now pardon me while I play fetch with Annie for Coyote's soul fragments."
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Post by haliphas on Aug 4, 2021 9:05:13 GMT
Oh man, Loup is such a kindergartener. "Wait a minute...pieces of my body just leave? But I was gonna use them for stuff! My lips aren't pointy! Aaahhhh!" I hope Annie doesn't kill him. I get why Coyote put her up to the task, because Guides are basically in the business of euthanizing etheric beings even if they think of it as "helping souls pass on," and she needs to come to terms with what that means for her and her mom. But Loup's a baby. We've seen him go through so much emotional development, from his infantile "whee, smash the Hum-Ants' sand castle" moment to his toddler "Bitter, am I?" tantrum to his current legit attempts at making moral arguments. "Then this will not be your fault!"--wait, you're thinking about fault now? Good job, pup! You've got lots of potential, you're still a meristomatozoic light-year from retirement! IIRC, we've never seen Loup kill. Ysengrin and Coyote were both predators, though Coyote seems to apply a certain amount of compassion to the calling. ("I only eat bodies that have been voluntarily abandoned...and Wisps! Heh. Fuck Wisps.") Annie kills when she has to (and they're Wisps), so do Eggers and Parley. Loup is aggressively posturing here, as he does so often, but he's the innocent in the room. What will he choose? Savage everyone, make peace, let Annie shank him for a Journey To The Underworld arc? The Choice Is Someone's! This echoes a lot of my feelings. If Loup were just Ys-with-Coyote's-powers, Coyote's actions would carry some amount of karmic weight. Not nearly enough given everything Coyote did to Ys, but I could connect x-to-y with regard to Coyote's motivations. But Loup, dangerous and unstable as he is, didn't ask for any of this? He's a godly toddler, complete with poor emotion regulation, who just found out that the parent he most loves is going to use the girl he loves to kill him and is about to have the exact unregulated emotional response that will require it. To quote a certain Fire Prince: That's rough, buddy. Also, hello everyone, I am finally using this account after making it eons ago.
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Post by arf on Aug 4, 2021 9:17:16 GMT
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Post by muningray on Aug 4, 2021 9:38:35 GMT
I'm reminded with this page of the fact that, for Coyote, reality is whatever he wants it to be. He wants to gift a canine tooth to someone? Well he only has to pick up a rock and it becomes his new canine tooth. From the Coyote side story "Coyote?! I thought you left!" "I did, but I am also going to stay here! I can do that! Because I am coyote!"
But Loup is not like that. He now knows that this particular canine tooth is just a rock, and so it becomes just a rock.
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Post by mochakimono on Aug 4, 2021 9:57:39 GMT
Oh, Loup, having his first "teeth start falling out" nightmare. Don't worry buddy, everyone's had that dream at least once.
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Post by bicarbonat on Aug 4, 2021 13:20:47 GMT
"Remember what the dentist said?" "Before or after –" "Before you started eating him, Loup"
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Post by jda on Aug 4, 2021 13:58:16 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Aug 4, 2021 14:05:56 GMT
Oh man, Loup is such a kindergartener. "Wait a minute...pieces of my body just leave? But I was gonna use them for stuff! My lips aren't pointy! Aaahhhh!" I hope Annie doesn't kill him. I get why Coyote put her up to the task, because Guides are basically in the business of euthanizing etheric beings even if they think of it as "helping souls pass on," and she needs to come to terms with what that means for her and her mom. But Loup's a baby. We've seen him go through so much emotional development, from his infantile "whee, smash the Hum-Ants' sand castle" moment to his toddler "Bitter, am I?" tantrum to his current legit attempts at making moral arguments. "Then this will not be your fault!"--wait, you're thinking about fault now? Good job, pup! You've got lots of potential, you're still a meristomatozoic light-year from retirement! IIRC, we've never seen Loup kill. Ysengrin and Coyote were both predators, though Coyote seems to apply a certain amount of compassion to the calling. ("I only eat bodies that have been voluntarily abandoned...and Wisps! Heh. Fuck Wisps.") Annie kills when she has to (and they're Wisps), so do Eggers and Parley. Loup is aggressively posturing here, as he does so often, but he's the innocent in the room. What will he choose? Savage everyone, make peace, let Annie shank him for a Journey To The Underworld arc? The Choice Is Someone's! wait til the Tooth fairy god arrives to give him a dollar and he's like "..what we're in the UK this is useless!"
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Post by jda on Aug 4, 2021 14:13:03 GMT
Also, to me for a moment it seemed like Panel-6-Loup was looking to panel-4-Loup's mouth to believe that the tooth was missing
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Post by jda on Aug 4, 2021 14:28:32 GMT
Oh man, Loup is such a kindergartener. "Wait a minute...pieces of my body just leave? But I was gonna use them for stuff! My lips aren't pointy! Aaahhhh!" I hope Annie doesn't kill him. I get why Coyote put her up to the task, because Guides are basically in the business of euthanizing etheric beings even if they think of it as "helping souls pass on," and she needs to come to terms with what that means for her and her mom. But Loup's a baby. We've seen him go through so much emotional development, from his infantile "whee, smash the Hum-Ants' sand castle" moment to his toddler "Bitter, am I?" tantrum to his current legit attempts at making moral arguments. "Then this will not be your fault!"--wait, you're thinking about fault now? Good job, pup! You've got lots of potential, you're still a meristomatozoic light-year from retirement! IIRC, we've never seen Loup kill. Ysengrin and Coyote were both predators, though Coyote seems to apply a certain amount of compassion to the calling. ("I only eat bodies that have been voluntarily abandoned...and Wisps! Heh. Fuck Wisps.") Annie kills when she has to (and they're Wisps), so do Eggers and Parley. Loup is aggressively posturing here, as he does so often, but he's the innocent in the room. What will he choose? Savage everyone, make peace, let Annie shank him for a Journey To The Underworld arc? The Choice Is Someone's! wait til the Tooth fairy god arrives to give him a dollar and he's like "..what we're in the UK this is useless!" A good Perry Bible Fellowship comic came to mind
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 4, 2021 14:31:05 GMT
As usual, I'll read others' comments later, but when last we saw Loup, Coyote's echo had just retreated into his head. Today's page is almost from Loup's point of view. He looks back, appearing quite afraid; his pupils are tiny, and the blood vessels in his eyes are visible at the edge. Coyote Just Told Him Something. He may be looking at Annie, wondering whether it's true. Then we see Annie looking at something, most likely Loup, but since she's not looking at the camera, this frame at least isn't from Loup's point of view. Annie looks expectant, worried, or apprehensive. James and Parley are visible farther away; they appear to be standing their ground, but they both look as if they're in some kind of ready stance. Loup then opens his mouth, curling his lip, eye downward in worry. What he's looking for is immediately answered: in the next frame, this tooth falls out, turning back into a stone as it drops, and we have an extreme close-up of the interior of Loup's mouth. Loup watches the stone fall in astonishment. His eyes become more bloodshot, and less symmetrical in their shape and placement. Then in the final frame his mouth opens wide, his face becomes distorted, his pupils point in different directions, changing shape to extend beyond his iris in one case, and the frame itself expands in shape to push aside the frames surrounding it. Loup seems to have departed the realm of rational thought entirely now. This leaves us with even more anticipation about what he might do next; the tension is rising even higher than it already was. I notice that we don't see Aata, Shell, or any of the other Shadow Men near Parley or James; they may (or may not) already have run out of sight. Loup is a cornered animal now and will likely lash out with all the power he has, but most likely not in any carefully-measured or nuanced way. We're likely to see a feral, vicious response. But Annie doesn't even have the dagger! Will we suddenly learn that she brought it with her? Will Renard somehow send it to her via their connection? In other words, will Annie have to kill Loup in self-defense during this encounter, or will there be a narrow escape and will that confrontation take place later?
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 4, 2021 14:38:03 GMT
His white spot is GONE... I have no idea what this would mean.... Oh, I was going to remark about that too, but I forgot. We can clearly see now that Loup no longer has a white forehead marking at all. First it was sort of an inverted kite shape, then after the goose bone memory came back it was sort of a V shape, but now there's no mark there at all. I'm not sure what it symbolizes, but twice now it's changed when Loup's gotten more memories back, so perhaps it simply signifies the (in)completeness of his memory. Or, in a related vein, maybe it symbolizes the amount of Coyote's plan Loup is aware of.
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 4, 2021 15:04:16 GMT
Coyote has just manipulated Loup into what promises to be a violent outburst against Annie that will force her to defend herself.
Forgive me for potentially bringing up something nobody wants to talk about, but I still have a theory that the Court manipulated Tony into his outburst against Annie in chapter 51, forcing her to (metaphysically) harm herself.
The psychopomps manipulated Mort into giving Annie a blinker stone, which led Annie to free Jeanne, forcing her to promise to work for them.
Annie's got to be getting sick and tired of all these entities forcing her to do things by manipulating others around her.
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Post by alevice on Aug 4, 2021 15:12:31 GMT
Coyote was the one who gave a teeth, not Ysengrim, so this event is unrelated to Annie getting the tooth from coyote. Loup is just changing baby teeth to permanent ones.
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Post by saardvark on Aug 4, 2021 15:56:18 GMT
Hmm, well Coyote made the falling tooth from a rock, to replace the one he made the giggle-tooth-knife out of. The fact it has reverted to a rock suggests that Coyote's power to make and keep it a tooth is now gone. Which maybe means Coyote's powers have left/are leaving Loup(?). Which might mean, this isn't Loup getting insanely angry in the last panel, it is instead maybe Loup actually falling apart, disassociating!?
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Post by george on Aug 4, 2021 16:48:10 GMT
The side eye in the first panel kills me
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Post by alevice on Aug 4, 2021 18:51:48 GMT
Hmm, well Coyote made the falling tooth from a rock, to replace the one he made the giggle-tooth-knife out of. The fact it has reverted to a rock suggests that Coyote's power to make and keep it a tooth is now gone. Which maybe means Coyote's powers have left/are leaving Loup(?). Which might mean, this isn't Loup getting insanely angry in the last panel, it is instead maybe Loup actually falling apart, disassociating!?Seems to me that Loup was just inspecting if what coyote said was true. Its not that the tooth fell apparet on its own but rather Loup detached it to see its true nature
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Post by SilverbackRon on Aug 4, 2021 23:27:00 GMT
I'm reminded with this page of the fact that, for Coyote, reality is whatever he wants it to be. He wants to gift a canine tooth to someone? Well he only has to pick up a rock and it becomes his new canine tooth. From the Coyote side story "Coyote?! I thought you left!" "I did, but I am also going to stay here! I can do that! Because I am coyote!" But Loup is not like that. He now knows that this particular canine tooth is just a rock, and so it becomes just a rock. I really like this interpretation of this page. The rock originally became a tooth because Coyote willed it to be so. Loup is a different creature, born of Ysengrin after having eaten Coyote. (so shouldn't he have Yssys teeth?) But simply because Coyote tells him that one of his teeth is just a rock, it is so. Loup should have the power of both beings but he is less than the sum of his parts. And now parts are falling out.
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Post by maxptc on Aug 5, 2021 0:57:27 GMT
to me that Loup was just inspecting if what coyote said was true. Its not that the tooth fell apparet on its own but rather Loup detached it to see its true nature This makes a lot of sense to me, Loup is shocked and in disbelief over the memories Coyete gave him, and despite knowing they are true he has to prove it. The tooth falling proves it and the wave grows.
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Post by arkadi on Aug 5, 2021 7:11:49 GMT
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