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Post by pyradonis on Mar 31, 2021 13:48:16 GMT
Hehe, the part about the homework reminds me a lot of "Is that not a reason to be disappointed?"Why did John and Margo swap places? Huh, you know, the last panel looks really strange now. Janet and William also seem to have way too much distance between them considering they were depicted sitting right next to each other before. Same about the distance between John and Margo. But. They also look a bit more childlike, so I think they are deliberately drawn as if they had shrunk as a metaphor for their embarassment. Bu yes, that still doesn't explain why they switched places...
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Post by alevice on Mar 31, 2021 14:10:29 GMT
Kids think they are on vacations. its mostly that court activity has been halted
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Post by maxptc on Mar 31, 2021 14:12:54 GMT
Youd think with her Dad being headmaster and all Janet would do some of her school work.
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Post by alevice on Mar 31, 2021 14:26:15 GMT
Youd think with her Dad being headmaster and all Janet would do some of her school work. I am not sure he is actively involved in her education. I dont think he would "inherit" the role to her (if thats an option at all), otherwise she would probably be more invoved in court public meetings. Who knows. Anyway, kind of silly of vegeta to ask why would annie would like to live with his father, after she being an orphan for a long time basically. Gee, why would they want to have a father figure right? Like a real one and not a fox mythical creature. |
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 31, 2021 14:58:53 GMT
Got my first Covid shot yesterday and I'm feeling pretty achy, but I'll try to get my thoughts on today's page ... the first thought is that it's one page. The three-updates-a-week effect makes it seem as if every moment is drawn out, much different from reading it in a book (I don't have all of them, but I do have 4 and 6) or the archives. We might seem to be gradually zeroing in on Paz as the focal point of this chapter, but when read all at once it will probably make (more) sense. Or we might be gradually moving toward Tony, but again, it's hard to tell in ultra-slow-motion.
Winsbury was going in an "It's all Tony's fault" direction, but instead he segues to why Annie(s) wanted to live with Tony. But Jones doesn't want to go in that direction and pushes the conversation toward schoolwork, which is of course every teenager's favorite topic, especially when they haven't been keeping up on it, and I'm certain Jones already knows they haven't been (either from millennia of observing teenagers or from looking at their recent academic records). She tells them (and us, since we didn't know this, as it happened off-camera) that Tony's been giving both Annies schoolwork to do, so they've been keeping up on their education during the downtime between chapters. No slacking off for either Annie! But we haven't seen her complaining, either, so perhaps she's matured enough to know it's to her benefit (or that she's got a lot of work to do if she's going to avoid Court retribution). I'm not going to complain that all the education stuff has been happening off-camera, because that's not going to make a terribly exciting story. Occasionally mentioning it (as happens here) is fine.
Then there's panel 5. Paz is facing away from Jones, and Jones is definitely looking at her. Interesting composition, as others have pointed out. But it makes sense: Paz does not want to engage right now, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to focus on Jones' facial expression. But what about Paz' facial expression? Not happy. Possibly wants to crawl under a rock. I mean, on the previous page the others just told Jones, a figure with some degree of authority in the Court, that she'd been telling people about private aspects of the Carver family's life, things that her girlfriend probably told her in confidence. I don't know if "embarrassed" is strong enough to describe what she feels right now. "Caught red-handed," perhaps. To us that was two days ago, but to Paz it's been seconds. The conversation's moved on, and she's hoping the topic gets swept under the rug, but she knows the cat's out of the bag. Neither she nor we know what Jones will do with that information.
I'm starting to see a pattern, though. Jones was suddenly very interested when Cvet told her that Tony treated the Annies differently. She wanted to know where she got the information. Then she went straight for Paz. I think she's here to continue her former line of questioning (about Annie's mental state), but now she's got a second mission (and we don't know whether this is from the Court or whether it's Jones' personal concern). She's looking right at Paz, and I think she's going to question her next, not about her gossiping, but for more details about how Tony treated the Annies differently. Jones didn't know this. And either she's never seen anything like this before and wants to know all about it, or she has seen something like this before and she's making sure it's the same thing. In the chapter's first few pages, Jones was left alone with Tony. Whatever she learned about his state in these inquiries we're flashing back to, she's going to apply it, whatever that means. I think Jones is putting two and two together with things she's learned about Tony over the years; the fact that he treated the Annies differently was the final puzzle piece.
As for John and Margo's positions – they switched between panels 4 and 5 of the previous page, unless the back-of-the-head we see in the foreground in panel 4 isn't John's (which would be strange, as there's no chair there).
I think that ibuprofen I took is kicking in.
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Post by lurkerbot on Mar 31, 2021 15:33:43 GMT
As for John and Margo's positions – they switched between panels 4 and 5 of the previous page, unless the back-of-the-head we see in the foreground in panel 4 isn't John's (which would be strange, as there's no chair there). I noticed that too and I couldn't determine what I was looking at. I guess the Margo-John position switch (if that's really what we see) is nothing more than a glitch (but you never know...) |
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Post by bedinsis on Mar 31, 2021 15:47:58 GMT
From the way Jones is looking sideways at Paz in panel 4 and then looking straight in her direction in panel 5 I suspect next page will be one where Jones interrogates Paz in private. This page reminded me of the Friends episode where they are hanging out at their usual hang-out cafe Central Perk and relates that everyone seems to have bosses that dislike them for some reason, and Joey brings up that "maybe it's because you spend all your time hanging out here when you should be working that your bosses dislike you.". Oh, and imaginaryfriend ? I think you put the wrong number in this thread's title. 2448, not 2248. EDIT: and you fixed it. |
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Post by caber on Mar 31, 2021 16:00:47 GMT
Youd think with her Dad being headmaster and all Janet would do some of her school work. I am not sure he is actively involved in her education. I dont think he would "inherit" the role to her (if thats an option at all), otherwise she would probably be more invoved in court public meetings. Who knows. Anyway, kind of silly of vegeta to ask why would annie would like to live with his father, after she being an orphan for a long time basically. Gee, why would they want to have a father figure right? Like a real one and not a fox mythical creature. I feel like Ysengrin was closer to a surrogate father for a while (as screwed up as that is). Reynardine is more like the uncle that (literally) can't say no. |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 31, 2021 16:46:05 GMT
As for John and Margo's positions – they switched between panels 4 and 5 of the previous page, unless the back-of-the-head we see in the foreground in panel 4 isn't John's (which would be strange, as there's no chair there). I think that ibuprofen I took is kicking in. Right. So they started 2 pages ago as: : : : : (empty) : Paz
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Post by Isildur on Mar 31, 2021 18:46:40 GMT
I just realized that Gunnerkrigg's situation has been eerily like covid-lockdown for a while now... Tom foresaw this?? Time to put on your tinfoil hats..? Yeah, that parallel was striking me on this page. |
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Post by wies on Mar 31, 2021 19:54:22 GMT
I'm starting to see a pattern, though. Jones was suddenly very interested when Cvet told her that Tony treated the Annies differently. She wanted to know where she got the information. Then she went straight for Paz. I think she's here to continue her former line of questioning (about Annie's mental state), but now she's got a second mission (and we don't know whether this is from the Court or whether it's Jones' personal concern). She's looking right at Paz, and I think she's going to question her next, not about her gossiping, but for more details about how Tony treated the Annies differently. Jones didn't know this. And either she's never seen anything like this before and wants to know all about it, or she has seen something like this before and she's making sure it's the same thing. In the chapter's first few pages, Jones was left alone with Tony. Whatever she learned about his state in these inquiries we're flashing back to, she's going to apply it, whatever that means. I think Jones is putting two and two together with things she's learned about Tony over the years; the fact that he treated the Annies differently was the final puzzle piece. I very much enjoy Jones being social detective. Glad to hear ibuprofen are kicking in and that you got vaccinated, hope you will feel less achy soon. |
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Post by ffkonoko on Mar 31, 2021 21:50:30 GMT
The guilty vibe, which lead to me considering the "Yeah, it sucks that the person that had been cheating and skiving from lessons for ages had to be given make-up work instead of hanging out with her friends, but she also got way more actual studying done as a result"...huh. Reminiscent of an exaggerated perspective on being made to go to school and do makeup tests during a holiday. And the general thread seems to be people hearing from people, not directly. And Paz looking real shifty...
You go to it though, Jones.
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Post by drmemory on Mar 31, 2021 23:12:44 GMT
My impression here is that Paz is inwardly praying for Jones not to pay attention to her or ask her any questions about something she is desperate to hide. It does feel like a strong reaction, more so than I would expect from just having done some gossip. Maybe there is more going on there after all. Yes, that. I think Paz just doesn't like that the spotlight is on her. Whatever she is up to, she's more comfortable doing it without people noticing that she's doing it. She wasn't happy to be pointed out as the source of the Tony rumors to Jones, and now she's trying to... hide?
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Post by drmemory on Mar 31, 2021 23:41:59 GMT
I'm really curious as to whether the Jones scenes are progressing forward or backward in time. If forward, then I agree with those that have said things like Paz getting her turn to be questioned soon. If backward? Then maybe we'll see who else of Annie's social circle she talked to. Face it, Annie doesn't have a lot of people she's close to, and even fewer that Jones would/should know about. She's already talked to everyone from the bowling party. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1628 Also Parley and Cvet. I guess there's still Smitty, if he wasn't there off-screen in the Parley/Cvet training scene. Who else is there? Zimmy and Gamma? Maybe, but I'm not sure if Jones would know to ask there. Red? Hahaha. Shadow? Maybe... Most of the other people we've seen Annie talk to are more Kat's friends than hers, and many of them are people that Jones shouldn't really know are associated with Annie. Like Robot and Juliette, for example. We already know that the tree elves don't want Annie around them. We haven't seen Jones talk with robots, ever, that I can remember - if she uses them as a source of info I'd be surprised. No other teachers to talk to with school out. Except for Tony, of course. He should know stuff. I always thought it was good for Annie to have the other Annie around, because it gave her another human she could/would hang out with and talk to. Like sisters! She could use more of that and less of this. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1503 |
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Post by jocobo on Apr 1, 2021 0:10:18 GMT
It's entirely possible Paz hasn't done anything wrong (this time) and is merely uncomfortable because she knows something.
If there is something wrong with Annie as a result of the merger that KAt and Annie are working on keeping secret, which I think there is from her and Kat's reaction, then it stands to reason that Paz might also know. It isn't uncommon for people to let thing slip to their partners either intentionally or unintentionally.
In a benevolent interpretation she might just be feeling guilty for being a gossip or perhaps be concerned that if Jones knows she knows a lot about Annie via Kat, that she might be next to get questioned directly.
In a more malevolent light, maybe she knows not because Kat told her but because she's been finding out through more surreptitious means and is worried about getting found out how she knows so much. I'm basing this mostly off of the previous panel where she seems very uncomfortable saying she heard it from Kat.
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Post by flowsthead on Apr 1, 2021 4:04:20 GMT
If there is something wrong with Annie as a result of the merger that KAt and Annie are working on keeping secret, which I think there is from her and Kat's reaction, then it stands to reason that Paz might also know. It isn't uncommon for people to let thing slip to their partners either intentionally or unintentionally. Annie looked really happy at the beginning of this chapter? I'm not sure what you mean. |
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Post by badchemistry on Apr 1, 2021 7:10:30 GMT
My impression here is that Paz is inwardly praying for Jones not to pay attention to her or ask her any questions about something she is desperate to hide. It does feel like a strong reaction, more so than I would expect from just having done some gossip. Maybe there is more going on there after all. Yes, that. I think Paz just doesn't like that the spotlight is on her. Whatever she is up to, she's more comfortable doing it without people noticing that she's doing it. She wasn't happy to be pointed out as the source of the Tony rumors to Jones, and now she's trying to... hide?
Tom doesn't do anything by accident. We may not find out what we're meant to learn right away, but he'll let us know when the time comes. This is where I am at, as well. The imagery here really is a blatant sort of 'tell' that Paz is very much trying to hide, instead of just simply being embarrassed like she was in the Chaperoned House Party chapter(y'all know the one!). I want to also point out that interestingly enough, you also sometimes see that particular 'dark/hidden face' imagery when someone is really angry, which given the topic is basically about the Annies/their Dad, might have some very interesting implications. Guess we'll see on the next panel!(Hopefully!) |
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Post by badchemistry on Apr 1, 2021 7:19:42 GMT
If there is something wrong with Annie as a result of the merger that KAt and Annie are working on keeping secret, which I think there is from her and Kat's reaction, then it stands to reason that Paz might also know. It isn't uncommon for people to let thing slip to their partners either intentionally or unintentionally. Annie looked really happy at the beginning of this chapter? I'm not sure what you mean. Annie did look really happy for most of this chapter, yes, except the expression on this page(https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2442) in panel 4 between her and Kat. That doesn't scream happy, but instead awkward and nervous. Perhaps a 'please don't question me on this/I am very nervous about this topic'. In my opinion, it struck me as an odd thing when the page went up, especially when it is clear Tom spent a lot of time devoting the rest of the panels to Annie looking happy - But the moment she's questioned, the expression goes nervous. |
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Post by flowsthead on Apr 1, 2021 14:20:48 GMT
Annie looked really happy at the beginning of this chapter? I'm not sure what you mean. Annie did look really happy for most of this chapter, yes, except the expression on this page(https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2442) in panel 4 between her and Kat. That doesn't scream happy, but instead awkward and nervous. Perhaps a 'please don't question me on this/I am very nervous about this topic'. In my opinion, it struck me as an odd thing when the page went up, especially when it is clear Tom spent a lot of time devoting the rest of the panels to Annie looking happy - But the moment she's questioned, the expression goes nervous. I would think anyone would look like that if they were just told "people" are concerned about their mental state. It would be weirder to smile normally through that. |
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Post by Gemminie on Apr 1, 2021 14:42:32 GMT
Annie did look really happy for most of this chapter, yes, except the expression on this page(https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2442) in panel 4 between her and Kat. That doesn't scream happy, but instead awkward and nervous. Perhaps a 'please don't question me on this/I am very nervous about this topic'. In my opinion, it struck me as an odd thing when the page went up, especially when it is clear Tom spent a lot of time devoting the rest of the panels to Annie looking happy - But the moment she's questioned, the expression goes nervous. I would think anyone would look like that if they were just told "people" are concerned about their mental state. It would be weirder to smile normally through that. That's what I was saying! Especially when it's someone like Jones. There's a big difference between Kat: "Whaaaat? You made these boots to always fit me? That's crazy business!" and Jones: "Antimony. People are questioning your mental stability." I mean, Jones doesn't joke around. |
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Post by shaihulud on Apr 1, 2021 19:32:15 GMT
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Post by badchemistry on Apr 1, 2021 21:26:36 GMT
That actually slipped my mind! That seems kind of important to note though, that Paz has always been kind of jealous of Annie and how close she is to Kat. |
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Post by warrl on Apr 2, 2021 18:51:53 GMT
She tells them (and us, since we didn't know this, as it happened off-camera) that Tony's been giving both Annies schoolwork to do, so they've been keeping up on their education during the downtime between chapters. No slacking off for either Annie! But we haven't seen her complaining, either, so perhaps she's matured enough to know it's to her benefit (or that she's got a lot of work to do if she's going to avoid Court retribution). I'm not going to complain that all the education stuff has been happening off-camera, because that's not going to make a terribly exciting story. Occasionally mentioning it (as happens here) is fine. Speaking as a father, if one of my daughters had suddenly acquired an identical twin and I had no specific-and-good reason to think the situation was temporary, I'd want to make sure both were educated. So I won't fault him for making them both study. |
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Why did John and Margo swap places?
