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Post by arf on Mar 4, 2021 6:35:16 GMT
I think this pretty well summarises what's behind Annie's new look:
(It even has Rey arbitrating in the top left corner)
Oh, this development, together with the ending of the last chapter, have me very intrigued as to what link there might be between Zimmy and Coyote. |
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Post by Alkazar on Mar 4, 2021 9:53:06 GMT
If this is a permanent fusion, I'm going to miss Forest!Annie a bit. She will be still präsent in a way, but not in the same way.
PS: And this is me, developing a mild crush on a fictional character. Again!!!
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 4, 2021 10:02:15 GMT
I am feeling the same as you two. This can't just be it...can it? I'm really hoping this is either not real or temporary. Not to mention that just fusing both Annies would mean that there will forever be a timeline where Annie never came back from the Forest.
For example, when we see Annie in the Ether, there may still be two of her there. Or, perhaps, one of her is always in the Ether, while the other is always physical, and they can switch. This would allow action in two places at once. Or, as another possibility, what if the two Annies can now split and fuse as they wish? Perhaps not into three or four, but perhaps they can be one or two at will? Somehow that sounds like your pitch for a video game. 
Also, if this should stay permanent, the Annies should have really, really been asked if they even wanted this. They were literally asked if they wanted this. They couldn't decide. Although, I agree with you, it IS rather cruel for Zimmy to decide for them. Maybe it's not a permanent fix after all. What? No, they were not at all asked if they wanted to be merged. They were asked if they got to pick who got to stay if Loup does something about the situation, so their assumption was obviously that fixing the situation meant putting one Annie back to another timeline. The possibility of merging them is not brought up once. |
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Post by foxurus on Mar 4, 2021 10:23:13 GMT
I didn't expect the comic to end with two Annies, so I'm not upset. This is odd timing though, and her reaction is very non-chalant which is weird. My first reaction is that this is not just them being combined, some other shoe will drop within a few pages.
I think the fact that the last thing they did before being spliced was get in a fight means that Annie's conflict is decidedly Not solved, she's just gonna be attacking herself directly inside her head now. She had self-loathing before, but it was pretty well compartmentalized, I think; it will not be so easy to ignore this time.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 4, 2021 11:48:06 GMT
The implications for Antimonies from this page are big but I think we're not giving enough weight to the ability to combine clothes according to DBZ rules. For example, if Zeta can combine casual clothes, a suit and tie, and a cut- and oil-resistant coverall she can finally create the long-dreamt-of Mansuit (it's like the Mao-suit but for the free world). The Mansuit, once fully-realized, will change the everything.
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Post by Fishy on Mar 4, 2021 14:56:36 GMT
The only thing that bothers me with a fusion here is that these are not two people who need to be fused. These are not two halves of the same whole, they are two different Annies from two timelines, neither of whom should be here as it was explained. So it's not exactly a resolution, it's just a new layer to the mess that Annie is in.
This is like... a dog goes missing from a house. Very sad. You replace that dog with two similar dogs that you stole from two other houses. You then combine those two similar dogs into one. Horray, brand new combined dog. The original dog that went missing is still gone, the two dogs who were combined are now gone, and the new combined one is probably wildly confused and is still not the original.
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Post by Corvo on Mar 4, 2021 17:34:54 GMT
Had to be done: ... a dog goes missing from a house. Very sad.  You replace that dog with two similar dogs that you stole from two other houses.   You then combine those two similar dogs into one. Horray, brand new combined dog.  ...  |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 4, 2021 18:22:11 GMT
What? But, but, half of the Court is still somewhat sane?! Hmm. I thought of another possibility. The only thing that bothers me with a fusion here is that these are not two people who need to be fused. These are not two halves of the same whole, they are two different Annies from two timelines, neither of whom should be here as it was explained. So it's not exactly a resolution, it's just a new layer to the mess that Annie is in. Not sure, it may be perfect. If it's not a sudden permanent change "just like this", but will go back and forth from now on. Did you read Magick Chicks? It turns out that obviously-in-retrospect what one of them really needed was someone obviously equal, plus regular doses of high-intensity sibling banter. More or less like this, but more supportive. :] That is, Annies didn't need to merge… but Annie needed a twin. Never wandering off their own lonely-in-a-crowd ways and diverging too much would be a bonus (for the same reason). Also, this outcome may solve her long-term problem completely. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 4, 2021 18:24:15 GMT
Had to be done: ... a dog goes missing from a house. Very sad. You replace that dog with two similar dogs that you stole from two other houses. You then combine those two similar dogs into one. Horray, brand new combined dog. ... A MASTERPIECE. |
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Post by Igniz on Mar 4, 2021 20:07:08 GMT
hijinks will ensue when one Annie controls 1 arm and the other controls the other arm...question is who controls the writing arm? Kat. Because she is Coyote too! What if no one remembers there were two Annies? What if Annie doesn't remember there was two of her? |
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 4, 2021 20:16:53 GMT
Friday's comic: Now there are four of her. Or it's exactly like this one, only with the colors of Annie's outfit reversed. As I've seen others mention already, Renard seems very calm about this. If something radical like one of his masters vanishing from existence happened, one would think he wouldn't be so sanguine. After all, he was pretty surprised back when a second Annie appeared. I suspect that to him, nothing unusual seems to be happening. By that I mean that one of the following has happened: - The Annies have only been combined physically. There are still two of them in the Ether. Renard's an ethereal being. He sees two Annies standing there and feels their presence just as always, in the Ether. He hasn't looked in the physical world yet.
- This is an illusion, designed to show each Annie what it would be like to share a brain and body with the other Annie, or alternatively, what it would be like if the other Annie vanished. Renard doesn't see the illusion because it's not something Zimmy's showing to him. It's not for his benefit, after all.
- Zimmy explained to Renard what she was going to do, and he agreed to the need for it, whatever it was. This probably means that whatever has happened, it's not too radical or permanent.
Annie looks kind of dazed at first, then looks at her hands, as if she's expecting something different there. She feels different. This doesn't tell us whether what's happened is real or an illusion, but at least it feels as if something has changed. |
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 4, 2021 20:19:13 GMT
For example, when we see Annie in the Ether, there may still be two of her there. Or, perhaps, one of her is always in the Ether, while the other is always physical, and they can switch. This would allow action in two places at once. Or, as another possibility, what if the two Annies can now split and fuse as they wish? Perhaps not into three or four, but perhaps they can be one or two at will? Somehow that sounds like your pitch for a video game. Annie's leveled up several times. What new powers and abilities does she get this level?  |
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Post by todd on Mar 5, 2021 0:03:38 GMT
The only thing that bothers me with a fusion here is that these are not two people who need to be fused. These are not two halves of the same whole, they are two different Annies from two timelines, neither of whom should be here as it was explained. So it's not exactly a resolution, it's just a new layer to the mess that Annie is in. This is like... a dog goes missing from a house. Very sad. You replace that dog with two similar dogs that you stole from two other houses. You then combine those two similar dogs into one. Horray, brand new combined dog. The original dog that went missing is still gone, the two dogs who were combined are now gone, and the new combined one is probably wildly confused and is still not the original. Good point, raising some information most of us might have forgotten. I'd thought at first that, assuming that Zimmy really has permanently re-united the two Annies and this isn't just another part of her "illusion world", this was some sort of resolution to the "two Annies" situation, but you've shown the complications that that solution (assuming, again, that it's a genuine "solution") could cause. (Unless it turns out that Clippy was mistaken or lying about the two Annies.) |
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Post by drmemory on Mar 5, 2021 3:46:32 GMT
I just can't bring myself to take this at face value. For one thing, it was Zimmy that said "and are you gonna pick which one stays" back on p.2259. I should make that a link but links haven't been working too well for me lately. If Zimmy thought she could fix it without zapping one away, or even fix it by merging them, it seems like that would have been a good time to mention it! Not that she's required to - she doesn't really want people to think she's nice, after all. This feels like it could be a different part of Zimmyland. Maybe one containing a temporarily merged F'Cannie, so each can see the point of view of the other. So that would make the warp scene on p.2433 a real warp, perhaps a reshuffling of the area. It also could explain why the elf kids are no longer freaked out having Zimmy around, even watching them play, and why C'Fannie (equal time!) was totally un-surprised to see Zimmy smiling and petting Renard, without Renard even flinching. I mean, she wasn't there for any of the big conversation with those three, so has no idea that they suddenly are getting along! So, I guess I'm voting for "temporarily merged, probably not in the real world". I guess there is also a chance we're being shown a time jump. Like they all left Zimmyland, things got straightened out with the elf kids, they are now playing a game with human kids and not freaked by the audience, there has been but one Annie for a while and she's just looking at her hands for some reason... But, Tom generally plays fair with us. I mean he doesn't spell things out, but we haven't really seen too many major events that had no foreshadowing. I also don't think he'd cheat us out of all the reactions by Kat and Tony and others. We'd also have to believe Zimmy can un-do Loup's shift otherwise. I just don't think she's THAT powerful, at least not in that way. Her mojo is a lot more subtle.
In fact, Zimmyland is mostly or completely illusion. Remember page 732? Even Gamma can be fooled!
Mental help provided via illusion seems a lot more in keeping with what we've seen Zimmy do in the past, like in Divine. I love Gamma's expression on p.2436. She knows what's up, even if we don't.  |
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Post by Isildur on Mar 5, 2021 5:45:50 GMT
Time for Kat to get another existential crisis. I am not sure I like this. We ended with the annies in the midst of a conflict that has been brewing for quite a while, and now it is suddenly resolved? Without her own doing? It makes me wonder why Tom split Annie if it has no impact. But well, maybe I am too quick here. I will see how this develops. Also Annie split soon after Loup fused...so time for Loup's splitting? This makes me wonder even more: is this the real life? Or is this just fantasy? I am feeling the same as you two. This can't just be it...can it? I'm really hoping this is either not real or temporary. Not to mention that just fusing both Annies would mean that there will forever be a timeline where Annie never came back from the Forest.
Also... they were two whole people. There a really uncomfortable soul arithmetic here. 2 people, then 1 person... that's a lot like a person dying. I had an explanation I was writing up that got around this, but looking back at what Saslamel's interpreter said, it doesn't really work. |
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Post by blahzor on Mar 5, 2021 7:07:39 GMT
If this merge is "real" I wonder what happens with anything major they have ownership of. The only thing I can think of is the dagger
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Post by arf on Mar 5, 2021 7:29:36 GMT
Rey has the dagger. I note that this Annie has her mother's pendant.
I suspect (and we still have at least a couple of pages to go in this chapter for the reaction to set in) that Annie will retain memories of both herselves.
[update] ...I wonder whether Rey's etheric 'familiar' connection to the pair played any part.
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Post by laaaa on Mar 5, 2021 7:40:07 GMT
I just had a super delayed reaction as I hadn't realized at first that we were looking at fused Annies:
But... but... what happened to the timeline where Annie never returned from the forest??
Did the people from THAT timeline also get merged with the people in THIS timeline??
Did they stay Annie-less for ever??
Won't THAT timeline Kat be guaranteed to go in mecha rampage now??
I thought Zimmy couldn't control a thing??
What??
Edit: Ah, I see now other commenters' posts pointing out that this might be an illusion. That'd make a lot more sense.
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Post by fia on Mar 5, 2021 14:22:37 GMT
The only thing that bothers me with a fusion here is that these are not two people who need to be fused. These are not two halves of the same whole, they are two different Annies from two timelines, neither of whom should be here as it was explained. So it's not exactly a resolution, it's just a new layer to the mess that Annie is in. This is like... a dog goes missing from a house. Very sad. You replace that dog with two similar dogs that you stole from two other houses. You then combine those two similar dogs into one. Horray, brand new combined dog. The original dog that went missing is still gone, the two dogs who were combined are now gone, and the new combined one is probably wildly confused and is still not the original. I think perhaps somewhere down the line we interpreted that the Annies both didn't belong in this timeline because they'd been pulled from somewhere else. But what if they were just splits from one Annie (our original protagonist) who was not supposed to be in this timeline originally, because she should have died? No need to postulate 3 total timelines. |
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Post by fia on Mar 5, 2021 14:24:54 GMT
I just can't bring myself to take this at face value. For one thing, it was Zimmy that said "and are you gonna pick which one stays" back on p.2259. I should make that a link but links haven't been working too well for me lately. I suspect Zimmy was messing with her. "Are you going to pick who stays" sounds like "do you have a favorite half of yourself and a half you want gone". Which is a ridiculous question of course. |
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Post by warrl on Mar 5, 2021 16:23:41 GMT
The word "fused" has at least three not-very-related meanings, and it appears that only one of them is being considered here.
I suspect that the one related to certain explosives is NOT the one intended... but I'm not exactly certain it isn't.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 5, 2021 17:00:06 GMT
Did the people from THAT timeline also get merged with the people in THIS timeline?? Surely that's not the case, but...wow. Imagine the clusterf*** if both timelines were just fused. |
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Post by worldsong on Mar 7, 2021 23:04:22 GMT
I'm being reminded of the time travel chapter where something was made out to be a big deal only to be resolved by another character with rather limited fanfare. Except more extreme because this problem has been more pronounced and the solution is even more abrupt.
At least, if this is a permanent resolution of the split Annie plot.
There's something to be said for the lesson that if you can't fix something yourself you can get help from someone who can, but I'd still find it awkward.
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Post by Isildur on Mar 8, 2021 20:26:28 GMT
Did the people from THAT timeline also get merged with the people in THIS timeline?? Surely that's not the case, but...wow. Imagine the clusterf*** if both timelines were just fused. What I've been wondering is whether maybe there never were two timelines, outside of the Forest. (It doesn't exactly gel with what Saslamel's interpreter said, but it's the most satisfying interpretation I can think of so far.) We already know that Loup can affect things in the Forest as a sort of separate stream from everything else (recall the freeze). What if time was only split into two streamlets in the Forest itself? Each Annie walked off a divergent streamlet back on to the single-stream Court side. Then Loup remerged the Forest time streams (there wouldn't have been much to even reconcile with most things frozen on that side -- I'm not clear on how frozen the elves were.) This would include remerging two versions of himself -- talkative Loup and shoo-Annie-away Loup (the one Court Annie called "Ysengrin", for lack of knowing better). Annie could have been the last unmerged element of those two Forest timelines. Perhaps this sorta, maybe, kinda explains a bit why the Norns couldn't/wouldn't help with Annie's twinning predicament. (The "Sorry, we only only deal with 'temporal affairs'" brush-off was very, very strange, given that Saslamel's interpreter said 'temporal affairs' was exactly the department they needed to deal with to get more information about the issue. Why wouldn't the Annies remark on that contradiction, instead of shrugging and saying "Worth a shot"?) As far as the Norns were concerned, perhaps this was a more localized disturbance that was already destined to resolve itself, rather than requiring intervention. |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 8, 2021 20:50:20 GMT
Surely that's not the case, but...wow. Imagine the clusterf*** if both timelines were just fused. What I've been wondering is whether maybe there never were two timelines, outside of the Forest. (It doesn't exactly gel with what Saslamel's interpreter said, but it's the most satisfying interpretation I can think of so far.) We already know that Loup can affect things in the Forest as a sort of separate stream from everything else (recall the freeze). What if time was only split into two streamlets in the Forest itself? Each Annie walked off a divergent streamlet back on to the single-stream Court side. Then Loup remerged the Forest time streams (there wouldn't have been much to even reconcile with most things frozen on that side -- I'm not clear on how frozen the elves were.) This would include remerging two versions of himself -- talkative Loup and shoo-Annie-away Loup (the one Court Annie called "Ysengrin", for lack of knowing better). Annie could have been the last unmerged element of those two Forest timelines. Perhaps this sorta, maybe, kinda explains a bit why the Norns couldn't/wouldn't help with Annie's twinning predicament. (The "Sorry, we only only deal with 'temporal affairs'" brush-off was very, very strange, given that Saslamel's interpreter said 'temporal affairs' was exactly the department they needed to deal with to get more information about the issue. Why wouldn't the Annies remark on that contradiction, instead of shrugging and saying "Worth a shot"?) As far as the Norns were concerned, perhaps this was a more localized disturbance that was already destined to resolve itself, rather than requiring intervention. I just remarked an hour ago on this odd apparent contradiction in the thread to [2438]; your idea for its resolution is interesting... |
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Post by Isildur on Mar 9, 2021 5:34:06 GMT
What I've been wondering is whether maybe there never were two timelines, outside of the Forest. (It doesn't exactly gel with what Saslamel's interpreter said, but it's the most satisfying interpretation I can think of so far.) We already know that Loup can affect things in the Forest as a sort of separate stream from everything else (recall the freeze). What if time was only split into two streamlets in the Forest itself? Each Annie walked off a divergent streamlet back on to the single-stream Court side. Then Loup remerged the Forest time streams (there wouldn't have been much to even reconcile with most things frozen on that side -- I'm not clear on how frozen the elves were.) This would include remerging two versions of himself -- talkative Loup and shoo-Annie-away Loup (the one Court Annie called "Ysengrin", for lack of knowing better). Annie could have been the last unmerged element of those two Forest timelines. Perhaps this sorta, maybe, kinda explains a bit why the Norns couldn't/wouldn't help with Annie's twinning predicament. (The "Sorry, we only only deal with 'temporal affairs'" brush-off was very, very strange, given that Saslamel's interpreter said 'temporal affairs' was exactly the department they needed to deal with to get more information about the issue. Why wouldn't the Annies remark on that contradiction, instead of shrugging and saying "Worth a shot"?) As far as the Norns were concerned, perhaps this was a more localized disturbance that was already destined to resolve itself, rather than requiring intervention. I just remarked an hour ago on this odd apparent contradiction in the thread to [2438]; your idea for its resolution is interesting... Thanks. Of course, this would still leave the mystery of Tony's refreshingly non-masonry-like behavior around Forest Annie. Perhaps we'll at least get some clue when we see how Tony behaves around re-merged Annie. |
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