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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 8, 2021 8:07:42 GMT
It's difficult to get any privacy anywhere in Zimmingham lately. |
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Post by Timberwere on Feb 8, 2021 8:09:49 GMT
Why is it that exposition *always* gets interrupted?
Just as dying witnesses *never* get to say all they wanted to?
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Post by aline on Feb 8, 2021 8:13:49 GMT
Oh God. The timeline where Annie died really is The Darkest Timeline, isn't it.
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Post by jda on Feb 8, 2021 8:14:31 GMT
Why is it that exposition *always* gets interrupted? Just as dying witnesses *never* get to say all they wanted to? Exposition interrupters are time travelers, sent to avoid plot spoilers. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 8, 2021 8:16:54 GMT
Not sure I agree with Zeta's assessment of Kat (according to Gamma). Assuming that Kat never met Antimonies, she might have been friendless longer but I doubt she'd go Diego's route or anything. [edit] On further reflection I suspect Zeta's being overly negative on Kat because 1. Kat has a very regulated and disciplined mind which Zeta envies/hates/finds alien and 2. Zeta is a bit negative on such things in general. Also, Zeta probably doesn't want Gamma getting closer with anyone else so she probably spun it even more negatively then her honestly-negative assessment. [/edit]
Oh yeah... Renard can translate for Gamma so Gamma might make a new elf friend... That's pretty much Zeta's nightmare scenario. I think the odds favor Gamma and Zeta staying as-is, though.
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 8, 2021 8:27:40 GMT
Oh God. The timeline where Annie died really is The Darkest Timeline, isn't it. And who is ultimately the author of that timeline through this demise (and, by extension, Dark Avatar Kat)? On the face of it, we got a "lone gunman" who hijacked a robot body - but I'd imagine very little (if anything) happens in Gillitie without Coyote's allowance, especially where the Court and the space between is concerned. Annie's death would certainly have spelled outright/escalated hostility from the Court against the Forest upon discovery of the shadow man. Oh, and look what we ended up with in this timeline. Different road, still heading to Rome. Coyote's playing hard for chaos. |
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Post by basser on Feb 8, 2021 8:30:53 GMT
Hyperdimensional robot goddess isn't evil she just happens to look scary in a limited euclidean space, ain't her fault none of these goofs can see anything but her shadow.
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Post by wies on Feb 8, 2021 8:38:33 GMT
I am really intrigued by the word "set" there. Is that implying someone was purposefully setting up that dark road for her? Fits with bicarbonat's speculation that that is Coyote's doing.
And of course, how the hell is Gamma aware of the future. Questions abound, but alas, an elf is here now. |
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Post by aline on Feb 8, 2021 8:44:33 GMT
Oh God. The timeline where Annie died really is The Darkest Timeline, isn't it. And who is ultimately the author of that timeline through this demise (and, by extension, Dark Avatar Kat)? On the face of it, we got a "lone gunman" who hijacked a robot body - but I'd imagine very little (if anything) happens in Gillitie without Coyote's allowance, especially where the Court and the space between is concerned. Annie's death would certainly have spelled outright/escalated hostility from the Court against the Forest upon discovery of the shadow man. Oh, and look what we ended up with in this timeline. Different road, still heading to Rome. Coyote's playing hard for chaos. The Court was already hostile at that point and planning something bad. In my opinion the reason they haven't done anything worse to the Forest at the time the comic starts wasn't because they didn't want to, but because they couldn't yet. Coyote is in their way. If he wasn't they'd burn the place down with or without Annie's death. The main difference in the dark timeline would be somebody with Kat's abilities being on the side of destruction. Think of all she can already do. Imagine that but with a drive for revenge. |
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Post by philman on Feb 8, 2021 8:46:55 GMT
Not sure I agree with Zeta's assessment of Kat (according to Gamma). Assuming that Kat never met Antimonies, she might have been friendless longer but I doubt she'd go Diego's route or anything. Diego's route of jealousy, no perhaps not, but from what we've seen of Creator Kat's robot goddess persona, it's not hard to see where her "master of all machinery" side could come out as another powerful tool in the Court's anti-forest arsenal. Without Antimony Kat would have never befriended Shadow, or Renard, would have never seen the nastiness surrounding the Arrow and the early days of the Court, and would likely have the same fearful and hostile attitude towards anything forest related that the rest of the court has. If anything, the anti-forest sentiment would be magnified by the death of her friend Antimony, she would likely work for the court in the same capacity as her parents, only with an all-powerful robot army at her command, and revenge for the death of her friend in her heart. We saw how terrifying she could be with the Love Boat when it threatened her friends, think how magnified that could be if Annie had died. I do wonder if we will see alternate-Kat shenanigans at some point. It's interesting if Zimmy can see the alternate reality paths that characters could have taken. |
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Post by aline on Feb 8, 2021 8:50:29 GMT
I am really intrigued by the word "set" there. Is that implying someone was purposefully setting up that dark road for her? Fits with bicarbonat's speculation that that is Coyote's doing.
And of course, how the hell is Gamma aware of the future. Questions abound, but alas, an elf is here now. She's aware of it because Zimmy explained it to her, I think. And I think "set" here just means the path that would have been travelled without time breaking hijinks. Who knows what Coyote did, but I don't think he's responsible for all that happened, or that he could foresee all those consequences. He likes to play around and can wait a while for good conditions for a good game, but he's not a chess grandmaster who calculates every single think that might happen. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Feb 8, 2021 9:07:25 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Feb 8, 2021 9:52:37 GMT
Kat is Zimmy lets go!
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 8, 2021 9:53:36 GMT
And who is ultimately the author of that timeline through this demise (and, by extension, Dark Avatar Kat)? On the face of it, we got a "lone gunman" who hijacked a robot body - but I'd imagine very little (if anything) happens in Gillitie without Coyote's allowance, especially where the Court and the space between is concerned. Annie's death would certainly have spelled outright/escalated hostility from the Court against the Forest upon discovery of the shadow man. Oh, and look what we ended up with in this timeline. Different road, still heading to Rome. Coyote's playing hard for chaos. The Court was already hostile at that point and planning something bad. Things were clearly tense, or Coyote wouldn't have cleaved a divide with his literal claws. That's why I said "escalated." |
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Post by migrantworker on Feb 8, 2021 9:54:59 GMT
His name is Tam, as per the last panel here. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 8, 2021 10:12:06 GMT
His name is Tam, as per the last panel here. his NAME IS BIG ELLY, a bit silly |
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Post by speedwell on Feb 8, 2021 10:30:31 GMT
"What's all this then" is, I have learned, the English (as in England) equivalent to the American "What in the hell's going on here", or it could be, "What is this devilry!" in old-fashioned Elf dialect www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2409  |
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Post by migrantworker on Feb 8, 2021 11:06:25 GMT
His name is Tam, as per the last panel here. his NAME IS BIG ELLY, a bit silly I'd file it as 'close enough for forum purposes'.  |
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Post by wies on Feb 8, 2021 11:25:56 GMT
I am really intrigued by the word "set" there. Is that implying someone was purposefully setting up that dark road for her? Fits with bicarbonat's speculation that that is Coyote's doing.
And of course, how the hell is Gamma aware of the future. Questions abound, but alas, an elf is here now. And I think "set" here just means the path that would have been travelled without time breaking hijinks. Who knows what Coyote did, but I don't think he's responsible for all that happened, or that he could foresee all those consequences. He likes to play around and can wait a while for good conditions for a good game, but he's not a chess grandmaster who calculates every single think that might happen. Then "Kat would have followed a dark road" would have been more probable, but what you say can be true also. I agree that Coyote can't foresee everything, but he is pretty good at the long-term thinking as his business with Ysengrin shows. Also, he was the one that flicked the tic-toc out of the air, which points to some awareness re time shenangians. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 8, 2021 12:43:24 GMT
His name is Tam, as per the last panel here. yup, its the elf that jumped Zimmy and disappeared from Zimmingham. Perhaps the reason he is here - in this pseudo-ether-space - he is an ether-sensitive elf, or maybe it was just physical contact with the Zimmster herself that threw him here. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 8, 2021 12:52:19 GMT
Oh yeah... Renard can translate for Gamma so Gamma might make a new elf friend... That's pretty much Zeta's nightmare scenario. I think the odds favor Gamma and Zeta staying as-is, though. Im not sure he will need to translate.... Gamma may be using some form of telepathy here. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 8, 2021 13:01:20 GMT
And of course, how the hell is Gamma aware of the future. Questions abound, but alas, an elf is here now. Gamma and her abilities grow more and more intriguing.... she seems almost Norn-Like here, with some ability here to sense the future and/or alternate timelines. She's not speculating, she's stating these future/alternate timeline events as *facts*. Layers upon layers this girl has.... |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 8, 2021 13:44:42 GMT
If anything, the anti-forest sentiment would be magnified by the death of her friend Antimony, she would likely work for the court in the same capacity as her parents, only with an all-powerful robot army at her command, and revenge for the death of her friend in her heart. Kat's robot following arose only because Annie was still around. Annie was determined to save S13 because she considered him a person and her friend. Annie retrieved the CPU, without her around Kat would have never met her robot prophet. She also would never have found the tomb, another crucial event leading to the builup of the robot cult. Or seen the "useless" robots move, like so many things Kat deemed "impossible" which Annie showed her to be very much possible. Also, most robots are foolish enough to fall for paper-thin disguises, signs labelled "Not a secret base" or think that guards who cannot move fast are good at security. Also, they can be destroyed by hitting their head with a stick, if they don't have outright OFF buttons on their heads. So, no all-powerful robot army, except if Kat builds them all herself from scratch. And of course, how the hell is Gamma aware of the future. Questions abound, but alas, an elf is here now. Gamma could just be, you know, making an educated guess. His name is Tam, as per the last panel here. yup, its the elf that jumped Zimmy and disappeared from Zimmingham. Perhaps the reason he is here - in this pseudo-ether-space - he is an ether-sensitive elf, or maybe it was just contact with the Zimmster herself that threw him here. It might just be my screen or the contrast against the black background, but to me that elf's hair looks rather grey. There is one other young man with grey hair in the comic, and he has been inside Zimmy's mind multiple times now... |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 8, 2021 13:55:39 GMT
And of course, how the hell is Gamma aware of the future. Questions abound, but alas, an elf is here now. Gamma could just be, you know, making an educated guess. yup, its the elf that jumped Zimmy and disappeared from Zimmingham. Perhaps the reason he is here - in this pseudo-ether-space - he is an ether-sensitive elf, or maybe it was just contact with the Zimmster herself that threw him here. It might just be my screen or the contrast against the black background, but to me that elf's hair looks rather grey. There is one other young man with grey hair in the comic, and he has been inside Zimmy's mind multiple times now... true, but it is the same color as Tam's hair as well. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2404So by Occam's shaving instrument, it is most likely Tam. It'd be funny if Jack got elf-ified somehow tho! Also, to me, Gamma is "talking" with such certainty here, it isn't like she is speculating on the future, its like she is describing it. |
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Post by Per on Feb 8, 2021 13:58:49 GMT
"What's all this then" is, I have learned, the English (as in England) equivalent to the American "What in the hell's going on here", or it could be, "What is this devilry!" in old-fashioned Elf dialect www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2409 I thought it was British Policeman for "I get to knock some teeth in". |
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Post by Bo No Bo on Feb 8, 2021 15:26:40 GMT
It's funny, Tam's question "What's all this about, then?" is pretty much my reaction to everything Gamma is saying about Kat
- We thought Kat's 'darker, edgier' version came from losing / the threat of losing Annie? What comes about (and WHY) if Annie isnt there in the first place? Or is she still referring to Annie being lost in first year, and she means the presence since then?
- Kat has had a significant effect on the Court without direct involvement by their government (Juliette & Arthur were operating outside the Shadow Men in their work w/ Kat), so I'm wondering if that will continue, or if she'll play a more DIRECT future role in their governance and technological affairs; might she even instill herself as tech goddess as an opposing force to Coyote/Loup?? I dunno– probably better to take that line of questioning to the mass speculation thread
- This explains some of what Zimmy was seemingly terrified of in looking at Kat- how bad of an alt. future would that have to be for ZIMMY, continuous nightmare walker, to be afraid??
- The fact that this is even being MENTIONED suggests some 'Into the Kat-iverse' crossing over into potential bad timelines
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Post by wies on Feb 8, 2021 16:13:28 GMT
To all the people replying to my question with speculations about Gamma's abilities: I like those theories and I hope Gamma has also some power of her own, but I feel obligated to point out that aline 's idea of Zimmy having explained it to her is also likely. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 8, 2021 16:37:13 GMT
To all the people replying to my question with speculations about Gamma's abilities: I like those theories and I hope Gamma has also some power of her own, but I feel obligated to point out that aline 's idea of Zimmy having explained it to her is also likely. true, if so, then Zimmy is the one with more abilities than we realized.... one way or another, someone here may have some vague ability to see into the future or alternate timelines. It sounds too definitive to be speculation.... |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 8, 2021 17:42:43 GMT
Tam or Zimmy/Tam?
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Post by blahzor on Feb 8, 2021 17:51:41 GMT
Kat making the court better is her literally making their workforce alive in flesh bodies. There will be some structure changes on how things are going to have to be run. Except the courts seemingly back up plan of the forest kids still doing computational work
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