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Post by wies on Nov 6, 2020 8:19:08 GMT
Talk about tonal whiplash.Annie probably shouldn't have worn a hat with 113. Bet that is the real problem here. Still, I like that the Annies are coming closer and even helping Court Annie with Tony. She even wears Forest colors, heh.
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Post by madjack on Nov 6, 2020 8:23:53 GMT
This page is Important: The makeup is not the thing which differentiates his treatment of the two Annies.
Also are we going to get a chapter of scenes with mundane human interaction interspersed with Zimmy in agony? That will be a tough read.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Nov 6, 2020 8:27:01 GMT
Tony's internal monologue: "Who the hell is this young lady that just walked into my house? I do not recognize her at all!"
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Post by stclair on Nov 6, 2020 8:34:37 GMT
He knows. Somehow.
(I also find myself thinking very strongly of the Lohan remake of The Parent Trap.)
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Post by glyphomatrix on Nov 6, 2020 8:35:14 GMT
It's the Activated Surma Essence® in Courtnie
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Post by arf on Nov 6, 2020 8:40:40 GMT
I suppose Fannie could flat out ask how he can tell the difference.
Courtney could as well, of course. I just feel Fannie has a better chance of getting an honest* answer.
* "I don't know" would be classed as an honest answer.
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Post by arf on Nov 6, 2020 8:43:58 GMT
This page is Important: The makeup is not the thing which differentiates his treatment of the two Annies. Also are we going to get a chapter of scenes with mundane human interaction interspersed with Zimmy in agony? That will be a tough read. Is it Zimmy who's 'behind it all'? Will this story turn out to be based on Ursula Leguin's "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas"? |
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Post by chrisjenl on Nov 6, 2020 8:44:13 GMT
Talk about tonal whiplash.Annie probably shouldn't have worn a hat with 113. Bet that is the real problem here. Still, I like that the Annies are coming closer and even helping Court Annie with Tony. She even wears Forest colors, heh. Don't forget to make the Link: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2386 |
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Post by madjack on Nov 6, 2020 8:55:18 GMT
This page is Important: The makeup is not the thing which differentiates his treatment of the two Annies. Also are we going to get a chapter of scenes with mundane human interaction interspersed with Zimmy in agony? That will be a tough read. Is it Zimmy who's 'behind it all'? Will this story turn out to be based on Ursula Leguin's "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas"? Feels a bit arbitrary? To expand: I haven't read that story, but after a quick bit of research TvTropes, is that the point behind it to poke at the notion a utopia must have some kind of suffering behind it? So the story just throws some in for the sake of it? Doesn't really fit, I think. |
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Post by foxurus on Nov 6, 2020 10:00:47 GMT
Oh no, poor Court Annie. Hang in there, girl. I hope she and Anthony can connect a little by the end of the chapter.
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Post by speedwell on Nov 6, 2020 12:03:31 GMT
I think it's important to point out that at no time were we ever told that Tony either didn't have or was low in etheric talent. In fact, quite the opposite, as he was able to enter worlds, do psychic surgery, and project-manage a tech goddess. I think this is one more clue that he's a formidable etheric genius under wraps.
Even if he wasn't a father who's had plenty of time to get to know his identical twins, he could just tell which Annie is which like he can tell the difference between red and blue. He's had to work hard to develop that instinct as well, if it was difficult in the first place.
Remember that they technically belong to different worlds, too. A traveler-between-worlds might get a feel for that sort of thing.
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Post by csj on Nov 6, 2020 12:08:40 GMT
(I also find myself thinking very strongly of the Lohan remake of The Parent Trap.) it's on the Kat Viewing List she totally must've given them, next to Twitches, Double Teamed, Sister, Sister, Dead Ringer and the entire filmography of Mary-Kate and Ashley |
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Post by netherdan on Nov 6, 2020 12:45:40 GMT
Now it's a good time to sit down and ask "is there anything in me that makes you uncomfortable?", you know, since helping Kat showed them that asking the adults for help/guidance/opinions isn't that big of a deal, that would show some maturity
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 6, 2020 13:12:49 GMT
This page is Important: The makeup is not the thing which differentiates his treatment of the two Annies. Also are we going to get a chapter of scenes with mundane human interaction interspersed with Zimmy in agony? That will be a tough read. Is it Zimmy who's 'behind it all'? Will this story turn out to be based on Ursula Leguin's "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas"? Whoa, good reference! The Court had Jeanne before. I've been wondering for a long time whether they'd pick a new Jeanne. Though I thought it would be Annie somehow, as she's the one who freed Jeanne. |
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 6, 2020 13:16:09 GMT
Is it Zimmy who's 'behind it all'? Will this story turn out to be based on Ursula Leguin's "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas"? Feels a bit arbitrary? To expand: I haven't read that story, but after a quick bit of research TvTropes, is that the point behind it to poke at the notion a utopia must have some kind of suffering behind it? So the story just throws some in for the sake of it? Doesn't really fit, I think. No, the point of that story is that if a utopia requires suffering to maintain it, even if it's just one individual suffering, it's not really a utopia and it's not worth preserving. It makes no claims that a utopia must require suffering. |
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Post by fia on Nov 6, 2020 13:55:18 GMT
My gosh, what if Court Annie is going to be split into more people and that's the issue???
Whatever you have to say about Tony, either he has massive and uber-sensitive daughter guilt
Or he's etherically sensitive and has kind of always detected that Annie was multiple people, and now that Frannie was 'peeled off,' he can treat her like a single person.
I could be wrong though. This is one of those Deep GC Mysteries.
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 6, 2020 14:38:47 GMT
Now it's a good time to sit down and ask "is there anything in me that makes you uncomfortable?", you know, since helping Kat showed them that asking the adults for help/guidance/opinions isn't that big of a deal, that would show some maturity "A direct approach never works with Tony."
Hm.
Maybe Donald is the right person to ask about this. Of course, the right thing is to first ask Tony directly. But if it doesn't work (who knows if Tony himself even has an idea what the problem is), Donald might be able to help.
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Post by bedinsis on Nov 6, 2020 16:04:07 GMT
Is Annie C.'s ponytail physically possible? It looks so solid; wouldn't gravity make it rest against the neck?
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Post by caber on Nov 6, 2020 17:49:55 GMT
I think it's important to point out that at no time were we ever told that Tony either didn't have or was low in etheric talent. In fact, quite the opposite, as he was able to enter worlds, do psychic surgery, and project-manage a tech goddess. I think this is one more clue that he's a formidable etheric genius under wraps. Even if he wasn't a father who's had plenty of time to get to know his identical twins, he could just tell which Annie is which like he can tell the difference between red and blue. He's had to work hard to develop that instinct as well, if it was difficult in the first place. Remember that they technically belong to different worlds, too. A traveler-between-worlds might get a feel for that sort of thing. Oh wow, I never even considered that he could have etheric talent; i guess I just assumed that his talent for science/technology ruled it out... I wonder if his talent for both isn't part of the reason the court wanted him back so bad. |
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Post by DonDueed on Nov 6, 2020 17:57:36 GMT
I think it's important to point out that at no time were we ever told that Tony either didn't have or was low in etheric talent. In fact, quite the opposite, as he was able to enter worlds, do psychic surgery, and project-manage a tech goddess. I think this is one more clue that he's a formidable etheric genius under wraps. Even if he wasn't a father who's had plenty of time to get to know his identical twins, he could just tell which Annie is which like he can tell the difference between red and blue. He's had to work hard to develop that instinct as well, if it was difficult in the first place. Remember that they technically belong to different worlds, too. A traveler-between-worlds might get a feel for that sort of thing. Oh wow, I never even considered that he could have etheric talent; i guess I just assumed that his talent for science/technology ruled it out... I wonder if his talent for both isn't part of the reason the court wanted him back so bad. But is there anyone at the Court who doesn't have etheric talent? It almost seems like it's a requirement to be there. I can't think of any character who doesn't have at least some unusual ability, and unless there are different flavors of supernatural powers in the GCverse, that means an etheric talent.
Maybe Becky Ground doesn't have any...
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Post by DonDueed on Nov 6, 2020 18:11:16 GMT
Is she still keeping her anger separate?
Although it isn't mentioned in the caption, the disguise also includes the color scheme of her clothes. Apparently both Annies are aware of the difference in their fashion preferences and are maintaining it deliberately. Anyhow, whatever it is that lets Tony tell them apart, it's not anything in their outward appearance.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 6, 2020 18:30:36 GMT
Oh wow, I never even considered that he could have etheric talent; i guess I just assumed that his talent for science/technology ruled it out... I wonder if his talent for both isn't part of the reason the court wanted him back so bad. But is there anyone at the Court who doesn't have etheric talent? It almost seems like it's a requirement to be there. I can't think of any character who doesn't have at least some unusual ability, and unless there are different flavors of supernatural powers in the GCverse, that means an etheric talent.
Maybe Becky Ground doesn't have any...
Well...first of all, having etheric abilities isn't exactly the same as having etheric talent...at least, not if "etheric talent" means what I think it means in this discussion. I'm presuming "etheric talent" means that you can use a blinker stone and with the right training, eventually do general-purpose magic stuff without it. Jones obviously has etheric abilities (unless someone eventually figures out an alternate explanation for her), but she can't use blinker stones at all. Actually, I think Ysengrin put it best - " she has great strength, but does not commune with the ether as we do".
Second of all, there are lots of people without etheric abilities at the Court!!! I'm not sure where people got the idea that everyone at the Court has to have some special superpower, but just off the top of my head, neither Winsbury, John, or Margo have any special abilities that we've seen, and I'm only leaving Janet out of that list because her accuracy that one time was amazing enough that one could argue it might be magic. Oh, and while the whole mecha-angel business leaves room for doubt that Kat has etheric abilities or not, we've never seen her dad do anything remotely supernatural, so there's also that. |
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 6, 2020 18:50:53 GMT
Is Annie C.'s ponytail physically possible? It looks so solid; wouldn't gravity make it rest against the neck? If her hair is thick enough, short enough, and tied tightly yeah it can stick out like that. My hair is thin and longer but does that too mainly out of spite 😕 |
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 6, 2020 18:57:14 GMT
I think it's important to point out that at no time were we ever told that Tony either didn't have or was low in etheric talent. In fact, quite the opposite, as he was able to enter worlds, do psychic surgery, and project-manage a tech goddess. I think this is one more clue that he's a formidable etheric genius under wraps. Even if he wasn't a father who's had plenty of time to get to know his identical twins, he could just tell which Annie is which like he can tell the difference between red and blue. He's had to work hard to develop that instinct as well, if it was difficult in the first place. Remember that they technically belong to different worlds, too. A traveler-between-worlds might get a feel for that sort of thing. I wouldn't be surprised to learn Tony developed some kind of etheric sensitivity from all the above. Kind of like a spider sense. |
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Post by wies on Nov 6, 2020 19:03:50 GMT
Feels a bit arbitrary? To expand: I haven't read that story, but after a quick bit of research TvTropes, is that the point behind it to poke at the notion a utopia must have some kind of suffering behind it? So the story just throws some in for the sake of it? Doesn't really fit, I think. No, the point of that story is that if a utopia requires suffering to maintain it, even if it's just one individual suffering, it's not really a utopia and it's not worth preserving. It makes no claims that a utopia must require suffering. That interpretation of tvtropes is also a valid one, though. There are remarks in the story about how it is so difficult to believe in an utopia without suffering. There is even a point where the narrator outright sighs at the reader's assumed disbelief, and then shows the suffering almost like a concession to pull the reader over the line. Not saying your interpretation is wrong, but that is also a way you can look at Le Guin's story. |
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Post by blazingstar on Nov 6, 2020 19:08:55 GMT
I think it's important to point out that at no time were we ever told that Tony either didn't have or was low in etheric talent. In fact, quite the opposite, as he was able to enter worlds, do psychic surgery, and project-manage a tech goddess. I think this is one more clue that he's a formidable etheric genius under wraps. Even if he wasn't a father who's had plenty of time to get to know his identical twins, he could just tell which Annie is which like he can tell the difference between red and blue. He's had to work hard to develop that instinct as well, if it was difficult in the first place. That's certainly one possibility I considered. The other possibility is that, because Tony is autistic, he notices a tiny detail in a single glance: the only remaining physical difference between the Annies is their hair. Courtie is still rocking a blunt haircut, and Frannie lets hers grow long. |
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 6, 2020 19:21:40 GMT
I'm only leaving Janet out of that list because her accuracy that one time was amazing enough that one could argue it might be magic. Or that other time. |
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Post by kaz on Nov 6, 2020 19:33:38 GMT
Is it Zimmy who's 'behind it all'? Will this story turn out to be based on Ursula Leguin's "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas"? I read that as " The Ones Who Walk Away From Oatmeals" :/ |
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 6, 2020 19:48:56 GMT
I think it's important to point out that at no time were we ever told that Tony either didn't have or was low in etheric talent. In fact, quite the opposite, as he was able to enter worlds, do psychic surgery, and project-manage a tech goddess. I think this is one more clue that he's a formidable etheric genius under wraps. Even if he wasn't a father who's had plenty of time to get to know his identical twins, he could just tell which Annie is which like he can tell the difference between red and blue. He's had to work hard to develop that instinct as well, if it was difficult in the first place. Remember that they technically belong to different worlds, too. A traveler-between-worlds might get a feel for that sort of thing. Well there are basically two possibilities, aren't there? Either he's discerning (consciously or not) a difference between the Annies by etheric means, or by ordinary means. By etheric means: He's got some etheric ability, possibly latent (he's not necessarily aware of how he does it), that can distinguish between the Annies via some criterion. (This doesn't imply that the difference between them is etheric in nature. It could be something purely conventional, but he's using some sort of etheric ability to detect it – perhaps there's an otherwise-invisible residue of makeup on her skin or something.) By ordinary means: He's just very good at noticing small differences. But we've now ruled out makeup and clothing color scheme as one of those differences. Perhaps he's still detecting her hair length (although Forest Annie could still have gotten a haircut – however, we haven't seen her try that, so perhaps that would have this same effect). What's the difference between the Annies, though? It's either etheric in nature or ordinary. Etheric: Perhaps Loup did something to one of the Annies when he sent her back, but not the other; maybe he sent her back with some sort of ethereal effect upon her. Perhaps he sent Court Annie back with some kind of invisible companion spirit that not even Renard can sense, causing Tony to subconsciously consider her not alone when he's with her. Perhaps Forest Annie is in some way six months younger, as she didn't experience six months' worth of time when she was with Loup. Perhaps (suggested by fia above) Court Annie has the potential to be split further, while Forest Annie doesn't, so Court Annie "feels" like more than one person to Tony. That kind of implies that you can't be split unless you have some ill-defined potential for splittability, though. Ordinary: Perhaps Court Annie has nigh-undetectable makeup residue, or perhaps it's her hair length. Or, perhaps it's not her makeup but rather something about her personality that makes her want to wear makeup that he's picking up on. After all, Forest Annie doesn't seem to want to wear makeup anymore. Perhaps we should be asking why. What was it about her visit with Loup in the Forest that changed her to the point where she didn't feel that wearing makeup was necessary anymore? Both of them visited Loup later on, but Court Annie still wears makeup. Annie's makeup has been addressed with a mask metaphor, having to do with hiding her emotions a bit like her father does, but perhaps spending a bunch of time in the Ether where no makeup would have any effect changed Forest Annie's outlook on hiding her emotions. Tony could be picking up on any of these things, or more than one. I love it when a story makes me care about its characters this much. Especially a character (Tony) whom I used to be very angry at. |
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Post by clover on Nov 6, 2020 19:54:24 GMT
Was i the first to guess that it's antimony's necklace? If spirit of dead mom (or whatever) is in in the room with you, there's a total greater than 1 other person, so he goes all emotionally mute
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