[2384] I think with you there, things will be okay!

[philman]

And the chapter icon looms ominously in the water...

[imaginaryfriend]

I'm sure there were no destruction flags on this page. Nary a one.

[madjack]

Is that the cruise ship in the last panel?

[jda]

Nov 2, 2020 8:07:02 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

I'm sure there were no destruction flags on this page. Nary a one.

Well, you better beware of these Fate-defying famous last words on the last panel.

[wies]

Wonder what she considers the bad choices are she made along the way to help the robots. Reviving the old robots, not having looked into why robots keep her calling 'angel' or something else?

[Fishy]

This is the sort of page that would normally come with an end of chapter symbol. After The Breakout, I’m honestly surprised there’s not one here.

[wies]

Nov 2, 2020 8:15:50 GMT Fishy said:

This is the sort of page that would normally come with an end of chapter symbol. After The Breakout, I’m honestly surprised there’s not one here.

You are right, but we still don't know what is "behind it all", so I am guessing next scene will delve more in that. Maybe Kat will learn something about Bismuth?

[hen3ry]

I interpreted "behind it all" at first as "behind the scenes", as in "ordinary life happening in the background of The Situation".

[shadow3]

"I think with you there, things will be okay."

xxxxxxxxxxx FLAG RAISED xxxxxxxxxxx

This may very well be the path to the rise of DARK KAT, destroyer of worlds.

[blahzor]

Nov 2, 2020 8:07:02 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

I'm sure there were no destruction flags on this page. Nary a one.

Put up with me I might becoming a robot goddess or something I dunno

[blahzor]

Nov 2, 2020 8:15:13 GMT wies said:

Wonder what she considers the bad choices are she made along the way to help the robots. Reviving the old robots, not having looked into what robots keep her calling 'angel' or something else?

Those 2 plus not telling her main friends about her mass production of the robots flesh bodies. Who all really knows at this point. Robot, shadow, Annie and that's it. She recognized she can get actual help. She should have at least got Smithy or her mom to help. Probably could have automated it better without needing Robot to evangelize

[Jelly Jellybean]

That ship has sailed.

[pyradonis]

Nov 2, 2020 8:15:13 GMT wies said:

Wonder what she considers the bad choices are she made along the way to help the robots. Reviving the old robots, not having looked into what robots keep her calling 'angel' or something else?

How about stealing the CPUs from the Court?

Nov 2, 2020 8:07:02 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

I'm sure there were no destruction flags on this page. Nary a one.

What is a destruction flag?

[imaginaryfriend]

Nov 2, 2020 10:51:21 GMT pyradonis said:

Nov 2, 2020 8:07:02 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

I'm sure there were no destruction flags on this page. Nary a one.

What is a destruction flag?

Are you familiar with death flags? They're like that but broader. They are tropes in fiction or phrases/actions that foreshadow bad stuff, or likewise in irl things that can be done or said to tempt fate or invite bad luck that are reminiscent of the tropes... particularly from movies, I suppose.

I count at least three and possibly as many as five on this page depending on how one figures. (Should I perhaps have used /sarcasm tags on my previous post, maybe?)

[DonDueed]

Nov 2, 2020 11:16:26 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Nov 2, 2020 10:51:21 GMT pyradonis said:

What is a destruction flag?

Are you familiar with death flags? They're like that but broader. They are tropes in fiction or phrases/actions that foreshadow bad stuff, or likewise in irl things that can be done or said to tempt fate or invite bad luck that are reminiscent of the tropes... particularly from movies, I suppose.

I count at least three and possibly as many as five on this page depending on how one figures. (Should I perhaps have used /sarcasm tags on my previous post, maybe?)
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So basically, it's any event or statement which would typically be followed by somebody saying "Knock on wood!", right?  (Or actually knocking on wood.)

[ctso74]

Nov 2, 2020 11:16:26 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Nov 2, 2020 10:51:21 GMT pyradonis said:

What is a destruction flag?

Are you familiar with death flags? They're like that but broader. They are tropes in fiction or phrases/actions that foreshadow bad stuff, or likewise in irl things that can be done or said to tempt fate or invite bad luck that are reminiscent of the tropes... particularly from movies, I suppose.

I count at least three and possibly as many as five on this page depending on how one figures. (Should I perhaps have used /sarcasm tags on my previous post, maybe?)
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At least it's not raining.

[blahzor]

Nov 2, 2020 12:52:43 GMT DonDueed said:

Nov 2, 2020 11:16:26 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Are you familiar with death flags? They're like that but broader. They are tropes in fiction or phrases/actions that foreshadow bad stuff, or likewise in irl things that can be done or said to tempt fate or invite bad luck that are reminiscent of the tropes... particularly from movies, I suppose.

I count at least three and possibly as many as five on this page depending on how one figures. (Should I perhaps have used /sarcasm tags on my previous post, maybe?)
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So basically, it's any event or statement which would typically be followed by somebody saying "Knock on wood!", right?  (Or actually knocking on wood.)

"I'll be right back" - Scream

[arkadi]

Everything's gonna be so not OK...

[warrl]

"Could it possibly get any worse?" (yes)

"What else can go wrong?" (quite a lot)

[pinegreenjellybean]

I have to say, I agree with posters from the previous thread that Paz is getting off the hook very easily. I have absolutely no idea what provoked so much hostility in a previously levelheaded character. If we're meant to believe that the stress is getting to her, we don't see enough of her for that to easily sink in; we mostly see her trying to pick a fight with the Annies for no good reason.

If I was either Annie, I wouldn't just be like "Oh, I know she meant well." She had no real reason to suspect that the Annies were intentionally up to something nefarious; this whole subplot has been a little OOC in my opinion.

[arkadi]

Paz's overreaction has always struck me as a false note, which is weird because GK as a rule does not have any false notes. But I guess there's an exception to everything (?)

[heranje]

Nov 3, 2020 15:14:13 GMT pinegreenjellybean said:

this whole subplot has been a little OOC in my opinion.

Well, it's OOC for a character we really don't know very well. What do we really know about Paz? We know she loves animals, that she's in love with Kat, and that she's a supportive/attentive girlfriend. We know that she has her own stuff she's doing and working on (working in that lab with the animals), but we don't see much of it. Really, we mainly see her scenes with Kat, which can generally also be read as being from Kat's perspective - and so we see her as a kind, supportive girlfriend, but not much beyond that. Paz could have anger issues, jealousy or possessiveness issues that we have no idea about, and her confronting Annie could be a first indication of that. Also, I do hope that there is more going on in Paz's life outside her relationship with Kat which we just don't see "on camera", because otherwise that's not a very healthy relationship.

Kat is brushing it off in this scene, but the scene still gives me the heebies in a big way. As people have said, warning flags are up - both in the "inviting destruction" sense of "With you there, things will be okay" and in the relationship between the two of them. It's a bit off-balance.

[imaginaryfriend]

Nov 3, 2020 16:31:29 GMT arkadi said:

Paz's overreaction has always struck me as a false note, which is weird because GK as a rule does not have any false notes. But I guess there's an exception to everything (?)

It would be an overreaction if Paz was only what we've seen in the comic. I think we can infer the situation with Kat and the Antimonies had Paz in a box (forgive the expression) with no way out, or at least no easy way with a favorable outcome. Paz is also a kid, therefore by definition a jerk sometimes, particularly when under stress. The girlfriend troubles, the attack, the unexpected and stressful move, and probably other stuff that I can't think of right now all have Antimonies as a lynchpin.

[pyradonis]

Nov 2, 2020 11:16:26 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Nov 2, 2020 10:51:21 GMT pyradonis said:

What is a destruction flag?

Are you familiar with death flags? They're like that but broader. They are tropes in fiction or phrases/actions that foreshadow bad stuff, or likewise in irl things that can be done or said to tempt fate or invite bad luck that are reminiscent of the tropes... particularly from movies, I suppose.

I count at least three and possibly as many as five on this page depending on how one figures. (Should I perhaps have used /sarcasm tags on my previous post, maybe?)
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Oh, so you mean like when someone says "What could possibly go wrong?" or "Don't worry, I've done this a hundred times before."?

[arkadi]

Nov 4, 2020 7:13:33 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Nov 3, 2020 16:31:29 GMT arkadi said:

Paz's overreaction has always struck me as a false note, which is weird because GK as a rule does not have any false notes. But I guess there's an exception to everything (?)

It would be an overreaction if Paz was only what we've seen in the comic. I think we can infer the situation with Kat and the Antimonies had Paz in a box (forgive the expression) with no way out, or at least no easy way with a favorable outcome. Paz is also a kid, therefore by definition a jerk sometimes, particularly when under stress. The girlfriend troubles, the attack, the unexpected and stressful move, and probably other stuff that I can't think of right now all have Antimonies as a lynchpin.

But Paz is only what we see in the comic, for all practical purposes. Showing the readers a development that doesn't seem right in the light of what they know about the character and just letting them guess what else might be going on that could have led to it is not good storytelling. So, either we are going to learn more about Paz that will help frame her reaction in a way that does make sense (likely), or this really is a small false note in the comic.

[blahzor]

Nov 4, 2020 7:13:33 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Nov 3, 2020 16:31:29 GMT arkadi said:

Paz's overreaction has always struck me as a false note, which is weird because GK as a rule does not have any false notes. But I guess there's an exception to everything (?)

It would be an overreaction if Paz was only what we've seen in the comic. I think we can infer the situation with Kat and the Antimonies had Paz in a box (forgive the expression) with no way out, or at least no easy way with a favorable outcome. Paz is also a kid, therefore by definition a jerk sometimes, particularly when under stress. The girlfriend troubles, the attack, the unexpected and stressful move, and probably other stuff that I can't think of right now all have Antimonies as a lynchpin.

just the fact that it appears she lives with Kat or at least stays over and Annie no longer lives with Kat so probably doesn't see all the stress she was in b/c Kat could hide it for the few hours they probably hang a day

[blahzor]

Nov 3, 2020 17:25:58 GMT heranje said:

Nov 3, 2020 15:14:13 GMT pinegreenjellybean said:

this whole subplot has been a little OOC in my opinion.

Well, it's OOC for a character we really don't know very well. What do we really know about Paz? We know she loves animals, that she's in love with Kat, and that she's a supportive/attentive girlfriend. We know that she has her own stuff she's doing and working on (working in that lab with the animals), but we don't see much of it. Really, we mainly see her scenes with Kat, which can generally also be read as being from Kat's perspective - and so we see her as a kind, supportive girlfriend, but not much beyond that. Paz could have anger issues, jealousy or possessiveness issues that we have no idea about, and her confronting Annie could be a first indication of that. Also, I do hope that there is more going on in Paz's life outside her relationship with Kat which we just don't see "on camera", because otherwise that's not a very healthy relationship.

Kat is brushing it off in this scene, but the scene still gives me the heebies in a big way. As people have said, warning flags are up - both in the "inviting destruction" sense of "With you there, things will be okay" and in the relationship between the two of them. It's a bit off-balance.

since the Loup attack we don't even know she still has a job as the lab work she'd be doing probably not essential work. we know she has friends outside of Kat's circle as well so probably hangs with them or the people who use to be animals as she could get along with them

[imaginaryfriend]

Nov 4, 2020 20:48:04 GMT arkadi said:

Nov 4, 2020 7:13:33 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

It would be an overreaction if Paz was only what we've seen in the comic. I think we can infer the situation with Kat and the Antimonies had Paz in a box (forgive the expression) with no way out, or at least no easy way with a favorable outcome. Paz is also a kid, therefore by definition a jerk sometimes, particularly when under stress. The girlfriend troubles, the attack, the unexpected and stressful move, and probably other stuff that I can't think of right now all have Antimonies as a lynchpin.

But Paz is only what we see in the comic, for all practical purposes. Showing the readers a development that doesn't seem right in the light of what they know about the character and just letting them guess what else might be going on that could have led to it is not good storytelling. So, either we are going to learn more about Paz that will help frame her reaction in a way that does make sense (likely), or this really is a small false note in the comic.

We may get more info that will put Paz's actions into another perspective but I wouldn't count on it. The way she acted can be explained with what we know.

Paz may not be a "mob" but she isn't a main character either. As such she got two panels on this page and the remainder of her trials and tribulations during the attack, evacuation, and the subsequent days were not in the comic. Antimones is the main character. Kat is a big part of Antimonies' life and thus appears so often that she is more-or-less another MC. Antimonies or Kat acting funny for reasons that weren't and won't be explained in the comic would be bad storytelling. It would be interesting to see what the other kids were doing during the last few chapters, at least while they're doing interesting things, but not everything can be included and neither should it be for reasons of good storytelling.  We can expect Paz will be in the comic when she's relevant to the story and maybe a little more just for fun now and then, assuming she isn't sailing off for good at the end of this chapter.