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Post by wies on Oct 2, 2020 7:03:54 GMT
It was weird to see two Annies in the treatise.
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Post by faiiry on Oct 2, 2020 7:04:44 GMT
My favourite treatise yet. Just beautiful! I would love to have a print of this if it becomes available. The art of GKC just keeps getting better and better.
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Post by arf on Oct 2, 2020 7:06:45 GMT
The analysis can come later.
Meanwhile, the artwork in this treatise is just superb!
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Post by caber on Oct 2, 2020 7:13:17 GMT
So much to take in, but something that I overlooked until it jumped out at me: Kat is chained.
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Post by basser on Oct 2, 2020 7:16:36 GMT
There's a weird thing just above and to the left of Prissy Annie's head and all I can think looking at it is "I'ma firin mah lazer! Bleeeeeh!"
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Post by madjack on Oct 2, 2020 7:17:16 GMT
So much to take in, but something that I overlooked until it jumped out at me: Kat is chained. She's been depicted that way before, just this time it's much more explicit.
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Post by basser on Oct 2, 2020 7:19:36 GMT
I mean Kat's chained by the hand holding the arrow so I'd reckon that's referring to the whole contract business with the ghost paralegal, yeah?
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Post by wies on Oct 2, 2020 7:23:44 GMT
The Annies stand in the ether, Kat in the material world.
Also intrigued that all the things the Annie's bear are parts of the coyote, except for the thing in Forest Annie's left hand. That looks like Tony's totem.
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Post by basser on Oct 2, 2020 7:37:59 GMT
Alchemy symbols from bottom to top:
copper, sulfur, mercury
lead, water, iron, fire
salt, lead (Eglamore version), uh... a square? (soap? urine...?)
all 4 elements combined (star thingy)
Correct if wrong, just goin off memory and a quick Google.
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Post by haspen on Oct 2, 2020 8:03:59 GMT
Alchemy symbols from bottom to top: copper, sulfur, mercury lead, water, iron, fire salt, lead (Eglamore version), uh... a square? (soap? urine...?) all 4 elements combined (star thingy) Correct if wrong, just goin off memory and a quick Google. For the square, consider: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Alchemytable.jpg(for comparison, a later table: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Alchemical-symbols-1775.jpg ) It seems to be 'Sal.co??un?'. There are other squares (including 'Vrine' aka 'Urine'), but they're all notched or slanted in one way or another. Strangely, the treatrise page is missing Tin, a metal usually spaced between Lead and Iron.
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Post by blahzor on Oct 2, 2020 8:08:31 GMT
Alchemy symbols from bottom to top: salt, lead (Eglamore version), uh... a square? (soap? urine...?) crude and incorrect interptitation square is George Eglamore Smithy (even split circle)
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Post by shadow3 on Oct 2, 2020 9:28:22 GMT
The Tooth Dagger in Annie's hand might be the one weapon that could kill Loup, other than Super Reynardine should he return to his original body and drink the lake water.
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Post by arkadi on Oct 2, 2020 10:53:30 GMT
It was weird to see two Annies in the treatise. What I'm taking from this is that two Annies is going to be a permanent thing. Still not used to it, really. Also, is it me or are their eyes slightly different colours? Forest Annie's seem greyer than Court Annie's.
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Post by Eily on Oct 2, 2020 11:07:10 GMT
It was weird to see two Annies in the treatise. What I'm taking from this is that two Annies is going to be a permanent thing. Still not used to it, really. Also, is it me or are their eyes slightly different colours? Forest Annie's seem greyer than Court Annie's. Courtnie is on the night side, and is standing on the moon. Sylvannie is on the day side, and is standing on the definitely not moon. Is that blood on the top of Sylvannie's crown???
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Post by migrantworker on Oct 2, 2020 11:53:53 GMT
What I'm taking from this is that two Annies is going to be a permanent thing. Still not used to it, really. Also, is it me or are their eyes slightly different colours? Forest Annie's seem greyer than Court Annie's. Courtnie is on the night side, and is standing on the moon. Sylvannie is on the day side, and is standing on the definitely not moon. Is that blood on the top of Sylvannie's crown??? And now I can't unsee that the celestial body behind Sylvannie looks very much like planet Mars. If true then it has even been drawn to scale, being almost but not quite twice as big as the Moon.
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 2, 2020 12:05:41 GMT
I can't help thinking that the reason the Coyote Tooth is depicted without having played any role in the eighth book is just because of all the readers expecting it to play a role.
What is the light grey creature between the Tic-Toc's head and Ysengrin?
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Post by netherdan on Oct 2, 2020 12:18:14 GMT
No more feathers for Kat, but I think a whole bird is a decent substitute.
PS: I didn't know Coyote was online... guess I'll binge now
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Post by blahzor on Oct 2, 2020 12:24:22 GMT
I can't help thinking that the reason the Coyote Tooth is depicted without having played any role in the eighth book is just because of all the readers expecting it to play a role. What is the light grey creature between the Tic-Toc's head and Ysengrin? the troll she burnt when she was made forest medium?
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Oct 2, 2020 12:24:42 GMT
There's a weird thing just above and to the left of Prissy Annie's head and all I can think looking at it is "I'ma firin mah lazer! Bleeeeeh!" I think that it is a stylized robot. The main reasons are because it is on the Court side of that border scroll and it is opposite to Coyote on the far end of the Forest side of the border scroll. I want to think that the lazer bit represents a connection beyond the physical world because the way it changes color, but I don't have anything that supports that perception. Also, is it me or are their eyes slightly different colours? Forest Annie's seem greyer than Court Annie's. The eye color does appear slightly different, but it may due to the different colors in the immediate vacinity. There is a lot of blue/purple in the treay in and around Courtnie and a lot of brown around Frannie. Some one with a color picker application could check the RGB level of the pixels in their eyes. ... What is the light grey creature between the Tic-Toc's head and Ysengrin? I think that may be Robot. That border scroll includes Renard, Ysengrin, and Shadow. The figure doesn't look like Robot, but Robot is getting a new body and this indistinct figure looks like it is in transition.
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Post by netherdan on Oct 2, 2020 12:25:23 GMT
What is the light grey creature between the Tic-Toc's head and Ysengrin? Since there's what appear to be a 3D shadow man at the "court" side of the treatise (Shadow2 is the only one yet, but the tooth can change that), I'm guessing the grey figure represents the new robots at the "forest" side. Dunno what's the symbolism here, maybe unison, mediation, mutual hostility...
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Post by arf on Oct 2, 2020 13:01:49 GMT
There's a weird thing just above and to the left of Prissy Annie's head and all I can think looking at it is "I'ma firin mah lazer! Bleeeeeh!" I took that to be a reference to the machines by which the robots are getting new bodies. They appear to be going forth to meet... forest people? Shadow people? I take the presence of the tooth dagger as foreboding (and Tom saying "No, I haven't forgotten") Court Annie bears a necklace, presumably with the antimony symbol, but it's hidden under her dress. I notice the two triangles in the symbol set between Kat and Forest Annie are mimicked in the squares framing Annies' heads. The panel is framed on the left by the thousand eyes, and Loup's invading trees on the right. There appears to be no reference to the Court/Bismuth symbol.
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Post by mglvna on Oct 2, 2020 13:22:17 GMT
I flipped it so I could see everything better. And I color picked the eyes as someone mentioned, forest Annie's eyes are indeed a little grayer. Don't know if it means anything.
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Post by fia on Oct 2, 2020 13:33:31 GMT
Alchemy symbols from bottom to top: salt, lead (Eglamore version), uh... a square? (soap? urine...?) crude and incorrect interptitation square is George Eglamore Smithy (even split circle) Perhaps square is actually Smitty..? "Squaring the circle" is an old geometric problem that interested alchemists / hermeticists, and referred to doing something impossible.
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Post by Per on Oct 2, 2020 13:45:24 GMT
The constellation in the background is Boötes again.
A robot operates the wrench that shoots water while the others flash their new genitals at the migrant elves.
Does bottom Annie have a mandrake root or is it just her belt? She's a homunculus?
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Post by Refugee on Oct 2, 2020 13:58:09 GMT
Agree with many that this is one of, if not THE, most beautiful and astonishing treatise we've seen so far.
I've been listening to the Audible version of Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning, in which he points out that alchemy was not merely a crude sort of chemistry. It was a deeply spiritual enterprise, more concerned with meaning, "information" in the modern sense, than dead chemistry. It often referred to "matter", but that was not mere physical substance; it is more like the matter we speak of when we ask what matters to us, or what is the matter with us when we are troubled.
When the true alchemist talks about turning lead into gold, he is not just trying to get rich. That's a mere distraction. Instead, he is investigating the transfiguration of the mundane into the realm of the sacred.
In that light, I look at today's treatise, and indeed, Annie and Kat's story so far, and...I am dazzled. I don't quite know what to make of it. We see the alchemical symbols, but I don't think they refer to the elements in our modern, experimentalist sense of identifying atoms by the number of protons they contain. Tom is working with the Cosmic Fire here, and Annie's thumbprint on the moon seems more than a trick with which to astonish the astronomers. We need to call in the astrologers to prophesy.
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 2, 2020 14:09:54 GMT
Beautiful. Yay to more video retrospectives. They'll be coming out slowly now, but that can hardly be helped. I imagine, they may do one at the end of every book. I like the juxtaposition, of their heads and feet being in different worlds(Etheric/"Normal"), and being reversed from one another. I believe this is the first treatise, where robots have been featured on the Forest side. Or is that supposed to be Court people meeting the Tree Elves on the right? I think it's robots.
"little announcement" on Monday?
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Oct 2, 2020 15:07:03 GMT
I, for one, would like some Tea Time in the next two weeks.
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Post by bedinsis on Oct 2, 2020 15:33:57 GMT
I honestly am underwhelmed by this treatise. It already depicts things we've already seen before, only at a greater distance and with less intimacy. And more stylized.
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Post by jda on Oct 2, 2020 15:54:02 GMT
Courtnie is on the night side, and is standing on the moon. Sylvannie is on the day side, and is standing on the definitely not moon. Is that blood on the top of Sylvannie's crown??? And now I can't unsee that the celestial body behind Sylvannie looks very much like planet Mars. If true then it has even been drawn to scale, being almost but not quite twice as big as the Moon. Yeah, Mars, for the so-called channels.
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Post by wies on Oct 2, 2020 15:55:04 GMT
When the true alchemist talks about turning lead into gold, he is not just trying to get rich. That's a mere distraction. Instead, he is investigating the transfiguration of the mundane into the realm of the sacred. If you know anything about alchemy that could lead to interesting interpretations, please share if you so wish. I know almost nothing about alchemy and would like to learn more on that front.
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