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Post by wies on Sept 4, 2020 7:02:49 GMT
And immediately we get shots we never saw before. Exciting! So why is it drawn to her? Adds more fuel to the 'Zimmy is an Annie from a different timeline"-theory. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 4, 2020 7:04:47 GMT
Zimmy is a busted floodgate for the ether so she's... downstream?
Also: Panels 3, 4 and 7 are the pool of time's loading screen?
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Post by kefka on Sept 4, 2020 7:11:01 GMT
Zimmy is this world's Annie confirmed (?)
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 4, 2020 7:40:57 GMT
Furthermore: Since the Toc seems committed to stalking Zimmy and Gamma they may as well play it up for laughs. Let's hope there's a voice transmitter... KAT: (whispers) "She's a loser, Zimmy. Dump her. I've traveled the world and the etheric seas/I am watching you through a tucan!" |
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Post by basser on Sept 4, 2020 7:43:22 GMT
If my goofy theory gets proved right by a robot toucan I'ma feel some kinda way.
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Post by migrantworker on Sept 4, 2020 8:20:06 GMT
If I was a Tic-toc, I would long for a time without Zimmy. Any time, just get away from this crazy girl!
Half-joke, half-wildspec: this is why robots believe Tic-toc is an ancient creation. It jumped way back in time out of sheer self-preservation instinct.
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Post by blahzor on Sept 4, 2020 9:00:21 GMT
Zimmy is a busted floodgate for the ether so she's... downstream? Also: Panels 3, 4 and 7 are the pool of time's loading screen? they need to get the time pool on a PS5 for almost no loading screens |
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Post by blahzor on Sept 4, 2020 9:02:34 GMT
Zimmy is this world's Annie confirmed (?) or she's where all the Annie's from other times energy collects in. Or she's Anti-matter |
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Post by bicarbonat on Sept 4, 2020 13:21:35 GMT
or she's where all the Annie's from other times energy collects in. Or she's Anti-matter Dear God. Anti(mony)-matter. |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 4, 2020 13:32:24 GMT
That certainly is curious(or confirming). Really curious what next week will bring.
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Post by jocobo on Sept 4, 2020 16:22:32 GMT
Soooooo..... Antimony-> Zimmy confirmed or Zimmy was nearby the night Annie fell into the ravine?
Or some how by interacting with Zimmy, she saves Annie? It is already canon that Zimmy savces Annie's life I suppose. Maybe these interactions help ensure that happens?
Cause that's the thing, isn't it. Everything that's happening is supposed to happen.
Like I hate to say it but I am becoming not only more convinced of but fond of the Antimony-> Zimmy speculation. I mean, it's crazy. But it's not the craziest thing we've seen. Zimmy and Gamma were some of the first characters ( the first?) Tom thought of before making the comic if I'm not mistaken. But the comic is about Annie.
or so we thought....
readers: Wait, it's all Zimmy?
Tom: Always has been *cocks gun*
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Post by Gemminie on Sept 4, 2020 16:42:23 GMT
And immediately we get shots we never saw before. Exciting! So why is it drawn to her? Adds more fuel to the 'Zimmy is an Annie from a different timeline"-theory. I think we're making the assumption that Kat's directing the Tic-Toc to find Annie. I think she just dropped it into the timestream and had it look around to see when and where it was, and ended up at a time and place where Zimmy was throwing a stick at it. Kat's next instruction: get away from there/then. And again. I don't think this is confirmation of the Zimmy == Annie theory, but it is curious that the Tic-Toc keeps getting drawn to Zimmy. Perhaps her ethereal ability distorts the Ether, or maybe time itself, around her? I mean, she can feel all those eyes watching her through time. |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 4, 2020 18:19:26 GMT
And immediately we get shots we never saw before. Exciting! So why is it drawn to her? Adds more fuel to the 'Zimmy is an Annie from a different timeline"-theory. I think we're making the assumption that Kat's directing the Tic-Toc to find Annie. I think she just dropped it into the timestream and had it look around to see when and where it was, and ended up at a time and place where Zimmy was throwing a stick at it. Kat's next instruction: get away from there/then. And again. I don't think this is confirmation of the Zimmy == Annie theory, but it is curious that the Tic-Toc keeps getting drawn to Zimmy. Perhaps her ethereal ability distorts the Ether, or maybe time itself, around her? I mean, she can feel all those eyes watching her through time. I like that you use a double = sign.  And I agree, while I think basser's theory is fantastic and I want it to be true, I think right now people are celebrating a bit early.
By the way, here's an alternate explanation for what is happening right now - Zimmy and Gamma always stick together, so... what if the bird is drawn to Gamma, not to Zimmy? Jones likened Gamma to an Etheric sink once. And if the Tic-Toc ends up around Zimmy & Gamma while Kat tries to find Annie with it... Who is the only possible replacement for Gamma's powers that we know of? That would be Annie. |
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Post by netherdan on Sept 4, 2020 18:23:58 GMT
PS: after reading what I wrote again and remembering this chapter's treatise, I suspect that at least the creation of the egg will be done in this chapter. Would be funny to see the Annies and Kat skimming through all the Court's history through the eyes of the Tic Tocs, especially when Zimmy throw a stick at it! I'm here to claim a cookie for the last sentence. And while looking at it I found out that I never really took this one, must be moldy by now so I may need time-travel to retrieve it. PS: every instance where I said "chapter" in the above quote should be replaced with "volume" In the next few pages we should find out if this one also holds true and if Zimmy is Kat's time-travel gravity well (or should I say "time well"?). But she could actually be the lost Annie, and the reason why the "find Annie" directive is resulting in the Tic-Toc finding Zimmy instead |
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Post by bedinsis on Sept 4, 2020 20:49:04 GMT
Another theory: the key aspect of the tic-toc is that it travels through time. Maybe it is attracted to the character whose etheric connection means she sees things that have yet to happen?
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Post by DonDueed on Sept 4, 2020 21:23:05 GMT
I don't think this is evidence for the Zimmy == Annie theory. If the bird's directive is "find Annie", why would it be drawn to Zimmy exclusively when there are plenty of actual Annies around at the same time? One way this would be the case is if Zimmy is the only actual Annie, and the Annie we've been following has been an imposter all along. I don't think that will turn out to be true.
Another possibility is that the directive is more like, "find an Annie in trouble". If Zimmy == Annie, I suppose she could be considered to be in trouble permanently.
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 4, 2020 22:46:12 GMT
Jones once compared Zimmy to a living ether collection station, on the scale of Coyote or Renard but less controlled & more psychologically stressed; an angry walking distortion in the fabric of the ether with no idea what she's doing. Plus, there's been some hints dropped that her distortion effect tends to specifically screw with time - people, places and thing from both the past and the future keep popping up around her in really weird ways. I find it small wonder that the Tic-toc keeps getting drawn into her radius (certainly not evidence that Zimmy is actually Annie), the real question is how the heck Kat's going to get out of it. |
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Post by todd on Sept 4, 2020 23:55:24 GMT
Zimmy's background is different from Annie's; she's apparently an orphan (at least, there's no mention of her parents, and she was seemingly living on the streets when Gamma first found her), for a start. Which does mean some complications for the theory that she's really Annie.
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Post by netherdan on Sept 5, 2020 0:52:37 GMT
Jones once compared Zimmy to a living ether collection station, on the scale of Coyote or Renard but less controlled & more psychologically stressed; an angry walking distortion in the fabric of the ether with no idea what she's doing. Plus, there's been some hints dropped that her distortion effect tends to specifically screw with time - people, places and thing from both the past and the future keep popping up around her in really weird ways. I find it small wonder that the Tic-toc keeps getting drawn into her radius (certainly not evidence that Zimmy is actually Annie), the real question is how the heck Kat's going to get out of it.
I mean, think about it: you use the body's gravitational pull to generate momentum and gain velocity to travel long distances. So you could in theory use Zimmy's timetational pull to generate timentum and gain chronocity to travel long clockances |
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Post by warrl on Sept 5, 2020 5:47:57 GMT
Thing is, slingshot maneuvers work best with a body that is moving at a nonzero rate in the plane of your slingshotting object's desired motion.
Otherwise they can be used to change direction, but not speed. (You can of course concurrently do something else that changes speed.)
Also, it's best if the body you're slingshotting around is many-many times more massive than the object being maneuvered. A planet (circa 10^20 to 10^25 tons) versus a space probe (probably less than 1 ton), for example. I'm not convinced that Zimmy has *that* much more etheric mass than the robot bird - if the latter has any etheric mass at all, and if it doesn't then a slingshot maneuver isn't a good analogy.
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Post by basser on Sept 5, 2020 6:35:31 GMT
Zimmy's background is different from Annie's; she's apparently an orphan (at least, there's no mention of her parents, and she was seemingly living on the streets when Gamma first found her), for a start. Which does mean some complications for the theory that she's really Annie. I honestly don't remember where I posted the whole big writeup I did but Zimmy being a street orphan is actually further proof, she would essentially be the "leftover" of whatever Tony did to try to save Surma, the horrible thing he did to his daughter (we're led to believe he was talking about putting Annie in a coma the one time, but he could've been talking about something else, something worse). My basis for this theory is mainly that Zimmy and Annie are very similarly drawn (same face shape, hair, body type, ears, etc), both are "etheric beacons" in their own ways, and the biggest thing is that from an art and literary design standpoint Zimmy is pretty clearly meant to evoke a smoldering ember. With everything we know so far, it seems reasonable to wonder what might have happened had Tony succeeded in keeping most of the flame spirit with Surma - how their daughter might have turned out if left with only a tiny spark of her fire. Now how all that ties together, what caused it, etc, I dunno. I'm just here to be like "yo these girls be lookin kinda the same and also thematic ties n junk". |
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Post by davidm on Sept 5, 2020 18:16:16 GMT
I have a terrible idea that Zimmy is really Boxbot. We never see Zimmy and boxbot together, do we? We know from loveboat that Zimmy can easily and quickly turn boat into flesh, so she obviously can also turn much smaller flesh into box.
Zimmy is being tracked by series of smaller and smaller boxes, because Zimmy is also a box. Zimmy does not want to be watched, because she is a superhero who doesn't want her secret identity revealed, most of the time she is mild mannered girl but when needed she transforms into superhero boxbot, she is like wonder woman but better because boxes are ultimate in perfection.
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Post by netherdan on Sept 5, 2020 18:22:40 GMT
I'm not convinced that Zimmy has *that* much more etheric mass than the robot bird - if the latter has any etheric mass at all, and if it doesn't then a slingshot maneuver isn't a good analogy. It has Skuld's juju at least, just enough for it to work I suppose. And Zimmy's timeframe, along with other reality bending stuff, kinda does jump around back and forth sometimes (I suppose it mainly happens when she's away from Gamma but sometimes she needs the rain to keep it in check). "yo these girls be lookin kinda the same and also thematic ties n junk". Now repeat this looking at your avatar, it's perfect! |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 6, 2020 15:30:04 GMT
I don't think this is evidence for the Zimmy == Annie theory. If the bird's directive is "find Annie", why would it be drawn to Zimmy exclusively when there are plenty of actual Annies around at the same time? One way this would be the case is if Zimmy is the only actual Annie, and the Annie we've been following has been an imposter all along. I don't think that will turn out to be true.
Another possibility is that the directive is more like, "find an Annie in trouble". If Zimmy == Annie, I suppose she could be considered to be in trouble permanently.
That would ceratinly be a more sensible directive. If the directive were just "find Annie", then the Tic-Toc should just poke its head out of the pool again, point a wing at the Annies and say "I found two of 'em right now." (I assume that "right now" would be equivalent to the shortest distance traveled along the time dimension. Thus, no need to search, Annie is right here.) |
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Post by netherdan on Sept 6, 2020 16:54:04 GMT
If the directive were just "find Annie", then the Tic-Toc should just poke it's head out of the pool again, point a wing at the Annies and say "I found two of 'em right now." I'm pretty sure it would just go BEEEEE! |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 6, 2020 19:41:57 GMT
On further reflection: In addition to the Toc being drawn to Zimmy when it travels through time, maybe Zimmy is also being drawn to the Toc. Specifically, since they/it look at her funny and are "wrong" if she happens to be near where one will appear she will go there to chuck stuff at it.
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Post by netherdan on Sept 7, 2020 3:54:21 GMT
On further reflection: In addition to the Toc being drawn to Zimmy when it travels through time, maybe Zimmy is also being drawn to the Toc. Specifically, since they/it look at her funny and are "wrong" if she happens to be near where one will appear she will go there to chuck stuff at it. not-so-wildspec: the broken Tic-Toc is the one Zimmy finally managed to hit just before it time-hopped to where Annie was in need of BEEEEE! |
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Post by jda on Sept 7, 2020 5:20:48 GMT
I concur with some of the above mentioned theories, even when contradicted by each other.
Another take is, as I read it, that Kat is trying to "rewind" time to look at to Annies fall, but she keeps missing the exact coordinates in 4th dimensions space. We see zimmy on-screen only because she makes the "tape" of time thin enough to be visible.
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Post by Gemminie on Sept 8, 2020 13:06:33 GMT
I like that you use a double = sign. Hehe, well, we're not talking about a theory in which the forum text itself sets Zimmy equal to Annie, after all; we're testing the hypothesis that they're already equal.  Yes, it's too tempting to assume these things: - Kat's directing the bird to find Annie. (But is she? It looked to me as if the bird had already picked a time/place before Kat even used the remote.)
- The bird's being drawn to Zimmy instead. (As you point out, that's not necessarily the case; it could be Gamma, since they're always together.)
- Kat's further attempts to steer the bird through time are attempts to find Annie. (As opposed to just trying to get away from Zimmy.)
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Post by saardvark on Sept 9, 2020 13:14:33 GMT
Thing is, slingshot maneuvers work best with a body that is moving at a nonzero rate in the plane of your slingshotting object's desired motion. Otherwise they can be used to change direction, but not speed. (You can of course concurrently do something else that changes speed.) Also, it's best if the body you're slingshotting around is many-many times more massive than the object being maneuvered. A planet (circa 10^20 to 10^25 tons) versus a space probe (probably less than 1 ton), for example. I'm not convinced that Zimmy has *that* much more etheric mass than the robot bird - if the latter has any etheric mass at all, and if it doesn't then a slingshot maneuver isn't a good analogy. Zimmster's etheric mass may be quite disconnected from her "real" mass. If she is an etheric sink or magnet, she may have accreted quite a bit of etheric mass. Maybe? |
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