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Post by wies on Feb 28, 2020 8:04:16 GMT
Well, seems whatever it is, it feels robotic due to how logical its response is. Also, the face almost looks made of porcelain, as of a doll. But anyway, a new life for this robot it is!
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 28, 2020 8:10:02 GMT
I see that she has green eyes.
[edit] I should have said that they both have green eyes. [/edit]
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Post by Futurismo on Feb 28, 2020 8:11:04 GMT
Perhaps this representation is controlled by an A.I. that Kat is using to handle the transition for the robots in bulk. A part of Kat's holy court, to guide robots from one life to the next? Kat wouldn't see it that way of course, but then her entire situation makes me think if a 'god' could ever see themselves the way that their followers do.
Maybe Kat hasn't even created this representation yet, if she is the one who does it? If ever there was an event where time started to lose meaning, I feel like this would be it.
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Post by madjack on Feb 28, 2020 8:15:16 GMT
If not Kat then the most likely to have made this is Robot and/or Arthur, especially given the chapter title is talking about a 'she' in third person. Kat wouldn't refer to herself that way or in those terms.
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Post by wies on Feb 28, 2020 8:16:38 GMT
I see that she has green eyes. [edit] I should have said that they both have green eyes. [/edit] Good eye! Perhaps this representation is controlled by an A.I. that Kat is using to handle the transition for the robots in bulk. A part of Kat's holy court, to guide robots from one life to the next? Kat wouldn't see it that way of course, but then her entire situation makes me think if a 'god' could ever see themselves the way that their followers do. Maybe Kat hasn't even created this representation yet, if she is the one who does it? If ever there was an event where time started to lose meaning, I feel like this would be it. Add to that the green eyes and its logical response, and I am thinking it is most likely indeed something created by Kat, with as second option a pyschopomp for the robots who could just be like that. |
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Post by heranje on Feb 28, 2020 8:18:21 GMT
Interesting that she looks so conspicuously unlike any of the female characters we know. If she is indeed created by Kat, that might be intentional. "Hey, weirdos, stop worshiping me - worship this thing instead"
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 28, 2020 8:18:28 GMT
Well, seems whatever it is, it feels robotic due to how logical its response is. Also, the face almost looks made of porcelain, as of a doll. But anyway, a new life for this robot it is! Also, the simplicity of her eyes. Usually folks with lighter colored eyes get the pupil-and-iris treatment - even Jeanne did during the emancipation mission (because, despite the trick, that really is how she looked in life). |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 28, 2020 8:19:37 GMT
Why this particular representation was chosen in an interesting topic... My pre-reflective speculation is that since the robots already had this concept of "angel" that it was chosen simply because it conforms to their expectation and as such would ease the transition further.
...a little ballast in the bottom of the psychic bucket for when the sea rushes in?
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 28, 2020 8:22:35 GMT
If you are not an angel, then stop looking like one! The robots are getting all the wrong ideas! Seriously though, her face looks very childish to me. I also have the feeling it is familiar somehow. Not from the comic, though.
By the way, even Arthur's new body got green eyes, but with pupils.
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Post by aquamafia on Feb 28, 2020 8:27:09 GMT
Tan cloth is Kat (or someone) wrapped up in some tan cloth and a god metaphor, I'll bet money on it. LAUGHING ON LINE it's literally a god/angel metaphor created for the robots |
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Post by wies on Feb 28, 2020 8:29:04 GMT
Why this particular representation was chosen in an interesting topic... My pre-reflective speculation is that since the robots already had this concept of "angel" that it was chosen simply because it conforms to their expectation and as such would ease the transition further. ...a little ballast in the bottom of the psychic bucket for when the sea rushes in? If it was intended to conform to their expectations, it is interesting that this robot looks disappointed in the next-to-last panel. I find it funny that this robot, a creature of logic and literalness, doesn't like these coming from this being. Maybe because they all so aspire to being human that they want to see signs of humanity in their guide to the next life? If you are not an angel, then stop looking like one! The robots are getting all the wrong ideas! Seriously though, her face looks very childish to me. I also have the feeling it is familiar somehow. Not from the comic, though. The Guide also seems to me familiar. I think from a known painting? One with a similiar landscape and a lady in such a dress sitting on a rock? |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 28, 2020 8:36:46 GMT
Why this particular representation was chosen in an interesting topic... My pre-reflective speculation is that since the robots already had this concept of "angel" that it was chosen simply because it conforms to their expectation and as such would ease the transition further. ...a little ballast in the bottom of the psychic bucket for when the sea rushes in? If it was intended to conform to their expectations, it is interesting that this robot looks disappointed in the next-to-last panel. I find it funny that this robot, a creature of logic and literalness, doesn't like these coming from this being. Maybe because they all so aspire to being human that they want to see signs of humanity in their guide to the next life? I meant her appearance being angelic (which she is in a broad sense, it's not like she has wings and a halo). Though that appearance was chosen she doesn't identify as an angel, she doesn't even allow the robot the misconception though presumably that might ease the transition further. I guess it establishes a degree of credibility instantly, which gives the AI a vantage point to start explaining from. |
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Post by relevant on Feb 28, 2020 8:37:30 GMT
Moving over from the previous page: "But it does occur to me that this green-eye'd, fair hair'd, rock-sitting representation interface may be the disappointing Diego-robot death psychopomp direct comparison to the early-chapter Annie-Kat-Robot interactions." I think this is Robot meeting the "interface" meant to interrogate those criminal minds. |
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Post by wies on Feb 28, 2020 8:46:16 GMT
If it was intended to conform to their expectations, it is interesting that this robot looks disappointed in the next-to-last panel. I find it funny that this robot, a creature of logic and literalness, doesn't like these coming from this being. Maybe because they all so aspire to being human that they want to see signs of humanity in their guide to the next life? I meant her appearance being angelic (which she is in a broad sense, it's not like she has wings and a halo). Though that appearance was chosen she doesn't identify as an angel, she doesn't even allow the robot the misconception though presumably that might ease the transition further. I guess it establishes a degree of credibility instantly, which gives the AI a vantage point to start explaining from. It is a good start to showing off life is going to be more complicated than Robots think will be. Moving over from the previous page: "But it does occur to me that this green-eye'd, fair hair'd, rock-sitting representation interface may be the disappointing Diego-robot death psychopomp direct comparison to the early-chapter Annie-Kat-Robot interactions." I think this is Robot meeting the "interface" meant to interrogate those criminal minds.It definitely is a callback to that. I don't think so. The Guide was talking about 'new life', unless that is an euphemism (and the Guide seems to be too direct to use that), I assume this Robot is not in legal trouble.A new life as paperclips, however useful it may be, would perhaps be a bit too disappointing for this robot.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 28, 2020 9:41:40 GMT
I meant her appearance being angelic (which she is in a broad sense, it's not like she has wings and a halo). Though that appearance was chosen she doesn't identify as an angel, she doesn't even allow the robot the misconception though presumably that might ease the transition further. I guess it establishes a degree of credibility instantly, which gives the AI a vantage point to start explaining from. It is a good start to showing off life is going to be more complicated than Robots think will be. I think the appearance instantly signals that "the thing you robots all have been hoping for is here" in a big way. After that the AI starts explaining. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 28, 2020 11:38:03 GMT
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Cue the Eglamore joke.
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Post by saardvark on Feb 28, 2020 11:40:33 GMT
It is a good start to showing off life is going to be more complicated than Robots think will be. I think the appearance instantly signals that "the thing you robots all have been hoping for is here" in a big way. After that the AI starts explaining. yes, it makes sense that since the robots (many of them at least... those in the robots-religion) aspire to be more human-like, that an AI meant to ease such a transition would look like an idealization of their "final target form". Kat may not have written the AI code to do that, but by contact with the robots, the AI would have evolved to take on the representation that worked best for the robots - matching their expectations for a "transition guide". Interestingly, the representation is like the inverse of a psychopomp... leading the robots INTO (a new) life, rather than out of one.... |
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Post by DonDueed on Feb 28, 2020 12:22:35 GMT
I would just like to point out how very very far Tom's artwork has come.
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Post by maemae on Feb 28, 2020 13:48:35 GMT
Why this particular representation was chosen in an interesting topic... My pre-reflective speculation is that since the robots already had this concept of "angel" that it was chosen simply because it conforms to their expectation and as such would ease the transition further. ...a little ballast in the bottom of the psychic bucket for when the sea rushes in? If it was intended to conform to their expectations, it is interesting that this robot looks disappointed in the next-to-last panel. I find it funny that this robot, a creature of logic and literalness, doesn't like these coming from this being. Maybe because they all so aspire to being human that they want to see signs of humanity in their guide to the next life? If you are not an angel, then stop looking like one! The robots are getting all the wrong ideas! Seriously though, her face looks very childish to me. I also have the feeling it is familiar somehow. Not from the comic, though. The Guide also seems to me familiar. I think from a known painting? One with a similiar landscape and a lady in such a dress sitting on a rock? I immediately thought of the Little Mermaid statue in Denmark. The statue isn't in a dress, but the pose in panel 1 is very similar to the statue. (At least I thought so!) |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 28, 2020 13:57:29 GMT
If it was intended to conform to their expectations, it is interesting that this robot looks disappointed in the next-to-last panel. I find it funny that this robot, a creature of logic and literalness, doesn't like these coming from this being. Maybe because they all so aspire to being human that they want to see signs of humanity in their guide to the next life? The Guide also seems to me familiar. I think from a known painting? One with a similiar landscape and a lady in such a dress sitting on a rock? I immediately thought of the Little Mermaid statue in Denmark. The statue isn't in a dress, but the pose in panel 1 is very similar to the statue. (At least I thought so!) agreed! ...and welcome to the forum, maemae! |
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Post by Nnelg on Feb 28, 2020 14:14:11 GMT
So... Kat actually created a robot psychopomp, then?
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Post by saardvark on Feb 28, 2020 14:31:50 GMT
If the not-angel is a representational guide, then perhaps this whole scene is not "real", but rather a mental imageoccuring in the mind of a robot transitioning into a new form (thanks to Kat). It is a "baby" new robot-thing, and hence it sees itself as limbless, with limited mobility, somewhat helpless, protected only by a bucket, from the vast sea of sensation and emotion which may soon rush into the scene.... (speculating a bit here!)
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 28, 2020 14:58:09 GMT
If she is someone Kat made, I guess she'd be a psychopomp. Psychopomp means 'guide of souls', so I suppose they'd take care of guiding a soul to life, as well as away from it.
However, that could be Kat in the Ether, from the robot's point of view. Non-robots may see her as the scary robo-angel, while robot's see her this way.
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 28, 2020 15:24:04 GMT
So... Kat actually created a robot psychopomp, then? No no, this figure is supposed to guide into a new life, not out of it. |
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Post by wies on Feb 28, 2020 15:40:51 GMT
I immediately thought of the Little Mermaid statue in Denmark. The statue isn't in a dress, but the pose in panel 1 is very similar to the statue. (At least I thought so!) Their poses are indeed really similiar, good find! Also welcome! Some things I noticed: -Both the Guide and the robot aren't touching the ground. The Guide sits on the rock and the robot in the bucket. -The Guide's face is perhaps the most detailed in the comic so far. Highlights, deep and strange shadows around the eyes, nose and mouth, a pointed chin. It feels intentionally slightly offputting. -The Guide is very muted. Little emotion, besides slightly bemused. The firecolors in her hair are mixed and subdued. Same for her tan dress and lowkey green eyes. -Love how Tom manages to convey the emotions of the robot with just two rectangles. Excitement ends in dissapointment. -The Guide says 'into your new life'. Implying what the robots had counted as life also? Or is she indeed just programmed to reflect Kat's or Robot's opinion? If not, and she is a psychopomp, that is an interesting expression to use. -Also, this robot says: 'I see.' Highly reminiscent of the whole Zimmyconversation about perspective. |
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Post by netherdan on Feb 28, 2020 15:51:51 GMT
KatJones? Well, cookies to whoever guessed it was Kat, Jones, an abstraction or another robot, I guess. They all seem to be true on some level
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Post by glyphomatrix on Feb 28, 2020 16:05:21 GMT
She's just the Installation Wizard ™
Also very reminiscent of a Renaissance painting
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 28, 2020 18:03:21 GMT
Well, THAT was unexpected. I mean, it was sort of expected...I expected the figure behind the voice to be angelic-ish, but I also assumed that this was some kind of "dream sequence", so the "angel" would probably a version of Kat or Annie. If it's just an AI guide projecting a pleasant image of itself, this opens up a whole new bunch of possibilities... The obvious answer would seem to be that we're skipping ahead to Kat giving the newly-freed robot CPUs new, organic bodies, and this AI was made by her to help with the mechanical-organic transition. That doesn't really make sense to me, though, because we already saw Arthur get a new body, and there wasn't any "guiding" stage necessary there. Thanks to Robot's testing, his mind was able to just " naturally interface" with his new body, without any awkward "oh god what IS all this new sensory data" moment.
My guess is, this is actually a flashback to when Robot (S13) was originally created. His "new life" isn't a metaphor or anything...he is literally just being brought to life for the first time right now, and needs to have all the basics drummed into him by a gentle-but authoritative figure, which is actually just a standard program the other robots made. If I'm right, this chapter could offer some very interesting new info about when and how all these robots are actually made!
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 28, 2020 20:41:59 GMT
Well, I should have seen it coming.
The "robot" in the tutorial/ dreamscape doesn't look like any robot we've ever encountered, so it makes sense that the Not An Angel would be... would this count as a new character?
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Post by quinnr on Feb 29, 2020 0:07:51 GMT
Oh. Oh no. I don't know where this is going but I'm prepared for all the feels now. It's already a bit sad that the "Angel" appears to have destroyed this little robot's ideas of "an Angel" in 15 words. I can't imagine given the scale of Kat's plans that this little guy is the only one moving on.
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