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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 16, 2019 8:07:46 GMT
Silly me, I thought that since the elves were pretty much human they'd be able to go through the barrier. I'm sure they could have stashed the elves somewhere other than between the Wood and the Court, if they wanted to.
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Post by madjack on Dec 16, 2019 8:09:27 GMT
So what's Kat found out? Something about the shield that might cause it to collapse or something about what the Court has done to the robots?
My guess is the latter.
Edit: Also: Goddammit Carver, find out what the hell those two were fighting over.
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Post by arkadi on Dec 16, 2019 8:13:05 GMT
Plot twist: Kat created the barrier.
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Post by arf on Dec 16, 2019 8:18:04 GMT
I don't think Kat created the barrier, but she *might* have discovered how to make use of their CPU cycles...
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Post by madjack on Dec 16, 2019 8:25:02 GMT
I don't think Kat created the barrier, but she *might* have discovered how to make use of their CPU cycles... So Kat might have virtualised her computer using the robot's CPUs as a distributed computing net? Wildspec: Perhaps that's what Paz got mad at her about, She sees them as people like Annie does and is mad about Kat using their hardware without their consent? |
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Post by csj on Dec 16, 2019 8:27:46 GMT
human feelings: stupid
the risk of robo-zombies: DEFCON 1
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 16, 2019 9:01:20 GMT
I'll wildspec that the headcrabbing does something bad to the robots and that's why Kat doesn't want more of them being "overridden." I think someone else has already 'spec'd that first part long ago but I'm too lazy to look it up tonight.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Dec 16, 2019 10:50:11 GMT
It's either as imaginaryfriend says, the headcrabbing messes up the robots, or there's a minimal number of necessary robots to hold up the shield, and they're approaching the tipping point. |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 16, 2019 11:41:27 GMT
Kat reminds me a lot of myself when speaking on the phone while doing something unrelated und trying to keep up the conversation.
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Post by philman on Dec 16, 2019 12:15:35 GMT
I don't think Kat created the barrier, but she *might* have discovered how to make use of their CPU cycles... So Kat might have virtualised her computer using the robot's CPUs as a distributed computing net? Wildspec: Perhaps that's what Paz got mad at her about, She sees them as people like Annie does and is mad about Kat using their hardware without their consent? I saw it as completely the opposite, Kat hates what is being done to the robots, after all she is their god now, and the headcrabbing of them is just turning them into unwilling zombies, which is even worse. |
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Post by madjack on Dec 16, 2019 13:04:02 GMT
So Kat might have virtualised her computer using the robot's CPUs as a distributed computing net? Wildspec: Perhaps that's what Paz got mad at her about, She sees them as people like Annie does and is mad about Kat using their hardware without their consent? I saw it as completely the opposite, Kat hates what is being done to the robots, after all she is their god now, and the headcrabbing of them is just turning them into unwilling zombies, which is even worse. You're probably right, Kat can rationalise things away though, especially if she is doing it to help the robots as well as for her own use. |
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 16, 2019 13:47:32 GMT
If the Court really doesn't know the shield's origin, I'd say there's only four parties that could have created it; that's Diego, Kat, some of the robots themselves, and maybe the Tic-Tocs.
Maybe, Kat is on the verge of discovering the Tic-Tocs' origins, and doesn't want her main lead from being disabled?
Or maybe, she wants to send a bit of code to all the robots at once, and this is her chance? Command: Emancipate? Command: Rebel?
You're acting rather dubious, Kat... dubious...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 16, 2019 15:35:06 GMT
If the Court really doesn't know the shield's origin, I'd say there's only four parties that could have created it; that's Diego, Kat, some of the robots themselves, and maybe the Tic-Tocs. I'll guess it was Donald Donlan who made the shield protocol, with his access to Anja's system. |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 16, 2019 16:12:37 GMT
If the Court really doesn't know the shield's origin, I'd say there's only four parties that could have created it; that's Diego, Kat, some of the robots themselves, and maybe the Tic-Tocs. Maybe, Kat is on the verge of discovering the Tic-Tocs' origins, and doesn't want her main lead from being disabled? Or maybe, she wants to send a bit of code to all the robots at once, and this is her chance? Command: Emancipate? Command: Rebel? You're acting rather dubious, Kat... dubious... Since the shield uses Anja Donlan's technology, it is most likely that someone living in the Court right now upgraded the robots. Diego is therefore not a suspect. I also do not think Kat is responsible; she definitely does not seem to have access to some sort of node which could reprogram ALL of the Court's robots without their knowledge ( she also obviously had no idea what was going on with them). |
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Post by fia on Dec 16, 2019 21:20:08 GMT
I am still pretty sure the barrier-maker was Jack. For one thing, he hasn't shown up in the comic for ages (suspicious!) and for two things, Annie has talked to him off-screen about Coyote. Given how he went hyper-paranoid for a while there, I wouldn't be surprised if exploring and fiddling with motion detectors and already exploiting Anja's tech wouldn't have prepared him to make a barrier. What does he have against the Forest? I don't know, but he saw unspecified things in Zimmy's head, so it could be anything. Option 2 for the barrier-maker is Llanwellyn, Janet's dad. Because (i) he has a name and (ii) he seems like kind of a bad guy every time he shows up on screen and (iii) he has little patience for the Forest, for Annie, or Ysengrin or Coyote. |
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Post by rasputingold on Dec 16, 2019 22:01:09 GMT
I am still pretty sure the barrier-maker was Jack. For one thing, he hasn't shown up in the comic for ages (suspicious!) and for two things, Annie has talked to him off-screen about Coyote. Given how he went hyper-paranoid for a while there, I wouldn't be surprised if exploring and fiddling with motion detectors and already exploiting Anja's tech wouldn't have prepared him to make a barrier. What does he have against the Forest? I don't know, but he saw unspecified things in Zimmy's head, so it could be anything. Option 2 for the barrier-maker is Llanwellyn, Janet's dad. Because (i) he has a name and (ii) he seems like kind of a bad guy every time he shows up on screen and (iii) he has little patience for the Forest, for Annie, or Ysengrin or Coyote. Fair points, but I think both of them lack something. Jack lacks access/time, as he'd need to track down every robot or find some common trait of them, while Llanwellyn seems a bit apapthetic, almost. Neither of those are completely prohibitive, but it means that it makes a lot more sense if it was something Diego established to protect the court in the event of something like this. |
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Post by todd on Dec 17, 2019 0:38:07 GMT
it means that it makes a lot more sense if it was something Diego established to protect the court in the event of something like this. And it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble if they'd taken that route instead of murdering Jeanne - but I suspect Diego was more focused on getting his revenge on her than keeping the Court safe. (Since it's based on Anya's program, however, it's unlikely that it's the work of one of the Founders.) |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Dec 17, 2019 0:39:11 GMT
Silly me, I thought that since the elves were pretty much human they'd be able to go through the barrier. I'm sure they could have stashed the elves somewhere other than between the Wood and the Court, if they wanted to. Well, is everything inside the Court also inside the barrier? What are the actual boundaries of the Court? An elf should be able to walk all the way around the barrier, unless it extends into the ocean or up some cliffs ... But maybe they would prefer to remain near the Forest, even if they aren't allowed back inside. |
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Post by rasputingold on Dec 17, 2019 0:43:47 GMT
even if they aren't allowed back inside. Kicking off that, if not entirely related, are the elves being magically prevented from the returning to the forest (with some sort of barrier or compulsion) or is it threat of violence from Loup? |
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Post by faiiry on Dec 17, 2019 1:13:57 GMT
I'm confused about which Annie is speaking in panel 3. Then again, maybe that's the point.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 17, 2019 3:32:58 GMT
Silly me, I thought that since the elves were pretty much human they'd be able to go through the barrier. I'm sure they could have stashed the elves somewhere other than between the Wood and the Court, if they wanted to. Well, is everything inside the Court also inside the barrier? What are the actual boundaries of the Court? An elf should be able to walk all the way around the barrier, unless it extends into the ocean or up some cliffs ... But maybe they would prefer to remain near the Forest, even if they aren't allowed back inside. I'm unsure about the exact boundaries of the Court relative to the shield but I'll guess that it covers the vast majority of the built-up area though not 100% of the geographic area, but even if it does they should at the very least be able to leave the Court and Wood by travelling parallel between the two. Once fully outside they'd presumably become the UK's problem but it would stand to reason that the Court would own some land around where the entrance is, possibly isolated land. My point was that the Court could almost certainly put them somewhere better and safer if they wanted to... but maybe this is a temporary measure and not something more, uh, self-interested. Here's why: One thing that I/we didn't know until today's comic was that by virtue of the elves not being able to go through the shield (btw I wonder has anyone actually tested this or is it just something that's been asserted by the Court..?) nearly all of the transportation routes and systems the Court uses, being centralized with all roads leading to the Court or at least bending back toward, will be unable to transport elves. They probably have some sort of ATVs but not enough to transport a thousand forest dudes at once, and they may have to blaze new trails to even hike them around the perimeter. I'm confused about which Annie is speaking in panel 3. Then again, maybe that's the point. I think it's Courtnie talking with Kat this entire page. I suppose in this uncertain time of Pazkat-troubles the younger twin is letting the older one take the lead. even if they aren't allowed back inside. Kicking off that, if not entirely related, are the elves being magically prevented from the returning to the forest (with some sort of barrier or compulsion) or is it threat of violence from Loup? Good question. I think the timing of their appearance suggests "Loup" did something to at least encourage them to all leave the Wood at that moment but even if no, there's an implicit threat in the "no longer welcome in my forest" bit. They probably got a good view of the Antimonies getting tossed out. |
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Post by Runningflame on Dec 17, 2019 5:22:17 GMT
I don't think Kat created the barrier, but she *might* have discovered how to make use of their CPU cycles... ... Now that's dark. If the Court really doesn't know the shield's origin, I'd say there's only four parties that could have created it; that's Diego, Kat, some of the robots themselves, and maybe the Tic-Tocs. I'll guess it was Donald Donlan who made the shield protocol, with his access to Anja's system. If he did it, though, it seems that he didn't tell his wife... UNLESS, Anja actually is in the know but is publicly pretending to be angry for plausible deniability purposes... |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 17, 2019 5:57:56 GMT
I'll guess it was Donald Donlan who made the shield protocol, with his access to Anja's system. If he did it, though, it seems that he didn't tell his wife... UNLESS, Anja actually is in the know but is publicly pretending to be angry for plausible deniability purposes... He didn't tell her. That way she wouldn't have to lie and he could take the blame if/when caught, and she wouldn't be able to do anything about it. You know how girls are. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 18:13:17 GMT
Hi! Chiming in my ten cents here as a new forum member.
I predict this may go in a couple of ways.
Lets start with the simpler prediction. First, we have Idra, who snuck her way into the Court past the barrier. I think the most straightforward way to get said tree elves into the Court is for Idra to guide tree elves through those tunnels. The entrance of the tunnels are probably in the forest rather than Court side, but I believe since Idra was recently introduced and probably keen on reuniting with her family, our protagonists will at least consider this option!
And here’s a far more fetched theory! What if the seraph bots were the ones who installed the purple barrier tech that made all the other robots brain dead? Arguably, since a lot of robots already congregate during Robot’s “sermons”, the seraphs probably have more access to these robots than any human would. They could also plausibly be present when Anya and Donald were developing their tech, unnoticed since they are quite ubiquitous to the court’s landscape. Now, with the threat of other robots being overridden by the court, Kat has motivation to “humanize” these robots as she did with Arthur and to a lesser extent, Robot.
Imagine, the masses falling ill to a mysterious ailment amidst a crisis. Then a select few are chosen to awaken in new bodies molded by the Creator herself, and later, see her doing the same for their brethren. The seraph’s attempts to elevate Kat to godhood have become increasingly extreme, so this type of escalation seems appropriate!
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Dec 17, 2019 18:30:07 GMT
whats the thing on kats shirt? anyone knows?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Dec 17, 2019 20:53:03 GMT
Hi! Chiming in my ten cents here as a new forum member. I predict this may go in a couple of ways. Lets start with the simpler prediction. First, we have Idra, who snuck her way into the Court past the barrier. I think the most straightforward way to get said tree elves into the Court is for Idra to guide tree elves through those tunnels. The entrance of the tunnels are probably in the forest rather than Court side, but I believe since Idra was recently introduced and probably keen on reuniting with her family, our protagonists will at least consider this option! I know people will hate the political implications, but: Elf smuggler tunnels. There are historic British versions if you prefer. Or they could ask permission. Boring, but I wonder how many pages it will take before they figure it out (unless the Court said no already for some reason). |
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Post by DonDueed on Dec 17, 2019 21:37:39 GMT
Hi! Chiming in my ten cents here as a new forum member. I predict this may go in a couple of ways. Lets start with the simpler prediction. First, we have Idra, who snuck her way into the Court past the barrier. I think the most straightforward way to get said tree elves into the Court is for Idra to guide tree elves through those tunnels. The entrance of the tunnels are probably in the forest rather than Court side, but I believe since Idra was recently introduced and probably keen on reuniting with her family, our protagonists will at least consider this option! I know people will hate the political implications, but: Elf smuggler tunnels. There are historic British versions if you prefer. Or they could ask permission. Boring, but I wonder how many pages it will take before they figure it out (unless the Court said no already for some reason). You could also mention the various tunnels under the Berlin Wall. It seems a bit ironic that those were dug to get people out, but here the forest folk would be trying to get in. On the other hand, many of the Berlin tunnels were dug from West to East by people trying to get families or friends out. |
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Post by Corvo on Dec 17, 2019 21:43:57 GMT
So Kat found out something about the barrier, or something about the robots? Neither! She just doesn't like those elf guys.
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Post by Gotolei on Dec 18, 2019 8:07:08 GMT
whats the thing on kats shirt? anyone knows? I don't recall if it's come up on the forum yet, but it's the patch of the Nostromo from Aliens. (It's also where the number on the current page is from) |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 18, 2019 12:56:02 GMT
Silly me, I thought that since the elves were pretty much human they'd be able to go through the barrier. I'm sure they could have stashed the elves somewhere other than between the Wood and the Court, if they wanted to. My theory: We know the Court puts tracking nanites or something similar in the food each of its residents. The barrier could be programmed to simply keep out everything organic that does not have the tracking nanites inside. |
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