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Post by fia on Dec 9, 2019 15:03:12 GMT
I think it's a fight. Not sure if a breakup is imminent though, couples do fight, and it's not beyond Tom to show that. Things they could well disagree about:
Court/Forest (viz., new elf) relations Jeanne Something involving perpetual mystery of the TikToks Some new tech Another Kat hare-brained scheme Paz being jealous of the Annies or not wanting Kat to keep putting so much on the line for them Kat wanting to find Missing Annie™ from the other timeline
Or some combination of the above.
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Post by jda on Dec 9, 2019 15:09:56 GMT
Maybe1: "-how... you..." "-Yes, I still think Breaking Bad was better than GoT"
Maybe2: "-..." -...yeah, the stinker was mine"
Maybe3: "-... so, the feathers I found on our..." "_... Let it go, Paz"
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Post by Per on Dec 9, 2019 15:21:38 GMT
I mean, she has no idea what her Etheric form looks like except for a quick drawing Annie made. Paz found the crumpled-up drawing in the wastebasket and demanded to know who's been drawing Kat like one of your French tech gods.
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Post by caber on Dec 9, 2019 15:57:07 GMT
Eh, I'll be the cold bucket of water: most young relationships simply don't last. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it came down to the old: P: You're always working on your projects, where's the time for US? I need intimacy! K: My projects are important! P: I understand that your projects are important, but are they more important than ME?? K: ... Look, I don't have time for this. P: YOU NEVER DO!
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 9, 2019 16:05:25 GMT
Maybe they're just practicing for a play.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 9, 2019 17:37:05 GMT
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Post by Polyhymnia on Dec 9, 2019 17:42:54 GMT
I’m just excited to finally know why Kat’s let her hair get so long!
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Post by Gemini Jim on Dec 9, 2019 18:19:38 GMT
Maybe they're just practicing for a play. "Put that Annie back where it came from or so help me... So help me!" "It's a work in progress."
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Post by faiiry on Dec 9, 2019 18:24:25 GMT
Huh. It appears I am the only commenter so far who does not feel sorry for Paz (yes, I am still annoyed because of her threatening Annie). You're not the only one. I don't have much sympathy for her (at least, not yet - we don't know what's going on yet). She pretty much burnt away all my goodwill with her behavior in chapter 70.
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 9, 2019 18:54:10 GMT
Not sure Kat would try that out without the help of someone with a natural Etheric affinity. I mean, she has no idea what her Etheric form looks like except for a quick drawing Annie made. But I wonder whether Paz ever asked Kat what the frag that was (If she did, she took her time, since it seemed Annie's drawing was the first look Kat got at herself.). Kat has already done something similar, with only Diego's drawings for company. And it worked, kind of. I wouldn't count "seeing an elf with his hands stuck in a big padlock" as "control", the device only performed with Annie already in the ether, and in any case it did not actually work (see panel 4; not only did it not do what it was designed for, but it also did something completely different instead). It's just that this once the consequences of failure turned out to be beneficial, making the failure itself easy to ignore. I can see Kat doing just that and pressing on with her work until another, more serious, failure occurs. It would need to be a failure which affects Paz, or things she holds dear. Does accessing the ether mess with Kat's head in some way, like it does with Zimmy's? If so, does Paz relieve the symptoms, like Gamma does for Zimmy? If so, would Paz willingly take up that role to the extent Kat requires it, or indeed at all? Huh, right. I misremembered and thought Kat had devised the backup plan together with Annie, but the page you linked to suggests this was not the case. Or at least Kat did not tell Annie much. Which sounds pretty foolish when going into a ravine to free a very deadly rage ghost.
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Post by bedinsis on Dec 9, 2019 19:08:09 GMT
I predict the arrival of the Annies will make Paz depart the scene and the subject will be brought up in passing during this chapter, but not be the main focus.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Dec 9, 2019 19:11:19 GMT
Man, those are some strange looking tree elves.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Dec 9, 2019 19:35:09 GMT
I predict the arrival of the Annies will make Paz depart the scene and the subject will be brought up in passing during this chapter, but not be the main focus. I like this idea. It's interesting that Tom has Paz and Kat positioned such that Kat should be able to see the Annies arrive - although she has her head turned in a "I have nothing more to say to you" pose. So, if Paz leaves, she has to turn around and "oh, I didn't see you come in." Although, she might have heard the "oh..." The Annies also can't see Paz crying.
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 9, 2019 19:46:39 GMT
I feel like I should really be joining the people who are reasonably speculating on the root cause of this unexpected scene, but honestly I like Paz's character so freaking much (Chapter 70 only made her cooler in my eyes) that all I can do is join the people over here sobbing and wailing "NOOOOOOOOOO" in the corner.
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Post by Runningflame on Dec 9, 2019 21:20:29 GMT
Maybe they're just practicing for a play. In that case, I'm really impressed with Paz. Crying on cue like that is quite a talent!
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Post by Eversist on Dec 10, 2019 1:01:06 GMT
Highly interested to see where this goes. I'm in the "I hope they're not breaking up and just having a fight" camp, but I can't help but feel like it's directly related to Annie. Cruel that the Annies come in at the worst possible time, if that's the case. Drama!~ I don't feel like Paz being overprotective in a previous chapter is worth us writing her off; she just recognized Annie is a source of much of Kat's strife and over-reacted accordingly, as a teen is wont to do. Can't help but agree with mturtle7.
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Post by kayback on Dec 10, 2019 4:58:51 GMT
Eh, I can do without the teen angst drama, I hope they don't break up because of idiotic reasons but also don't care much if they do.
My 2c is that it's another more Kat centric chapter. The musings in 70 about her having a hard time, not coping, trying to fix everything herself it just seems like it is time for a some Kat unwinding. I just hope we dont have teen angst drama of her piling on Annie^2 more. Hopefully Kat gets a good arc and it ties together.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 10, 2019 5:27:43 GMT
Wait a minute... is that Coyote's Eye on Kat's sleeve in the last panel?
Is Coyote/Loup controlling Kat?
Are there multiple Kats running around in this version of existence?
Is Coyote/Loup controlling Tom?
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 10, 2019 6:22:58 GMT
Wait a minute... is that Coyote's Eye on Kat's sleeve in the last panel? Hmm, don't think so. Maybe she's just a fan of the Power Pack.
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 10, 2019 8:17:19 GMT
Another silly guess: when being informed about the incoming bunch of elves, Kat remembered chatting with Annie about them and one of her remarks made Paz a bit jealous. =)
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 10, 2019 8:30:58 GMT
Wait a minute... is that Coyote's Eye on Kat's sleeve in the last panel?
Is Coyote/Loup controlling Kat?
Are there multiple Kats running around in this version of existence?
Is Coyote/Loup controlling Tom?
Finally someone asking the right questions!
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Post by madjack on Dec 10, 2019 8:45:24 GMT
There might be a simple answer to this, and it's contained in the chapter title: Paz is upset at Kat for taking constant trips into danger to her workshop in a yellow zone, and wants her to shift her base of operations.
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Post by philman on Dec 10, 2019 8:50:57 GMT
Highly interested to see where this goes. I'm in the "I hope they're not breaking up and just having a fight" camp, but I can't help but feel like it's directly related to Annie. Cruel that the Annies come in at the worst possible time, if that's the case. Drama!~ I don't feel like Paz being overprotective in a previous chapter is worth us writing her off; she just recognized Annie is a source of much of Kat's strife and over-reacted accordingly, as a teen is wont to do. Can't help but agree with mturtle7. Exactly, her actions in chapter 70 were perfectly reasonable. An alternate dimension clone of your girlfriend's best friend returns from a place that has just attacked and half destroyed the place you have called home for years, and you are just supposed to trust her? Even if your girlfriend does accept her, I would consider it perfectly reasonable to still be suspicious. I always found it weird how quickly the Court trusted Forest-Annie after she returned anyway.
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Post by migrantworker on Dec 10, 2019 10:52:38 GMT
Another silly guess: when being informed about the incoming bunch of elves, Kat remembered chatting with Annie about them and one of her remarks made Paz a bit jealous. =) Now that you mentioned it... I think she may be more than just a bit jealous. So far we saw Paz basically being a Stepford wife: cute, loyal, there for the taking. Endearing to be sure, but also a surprising lack of depth for a GC character. I'm beginning to think we are going to see her develop into a more rounded character, and that a trait to be revealed is possessiveness. There have been potential hints of it before. See how she grabs Kat - is it out of passion, or to stop her talking to Annie? Is she showing newfound trust towards Annies here, or trying to position herself as Kat's gatekeeper? Was she comforting Kat, or subtly trying to recapture her attention? Now it may well be that Paz is simply in love, and love does have an element of possessiveness built into it. But it may have been more going on. After all, there is no point in possessing for its own sake, unless it gives you something you value. Has Paz demanded that something "for all the help I gave you, Kat" and been rejected?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 10, 2019 12:58:59 GMT
Has Paz demanded that something "for all the help I gave you, Kat" and been rejected? My guess is that Paz has been evaluating the time that Kat spends with Antimonies and working on the problems of Antimonies and has deemed it to be too large, possibly larger than the time that Kat spends with or doing things for Paz, and that Paz vocalized this along with the observation that Paz is Kat's gf whereas Antimonies are not. Kat likely countered by observing that Antimonies are friend/s and EMERGENCY is EMERGENCY. Paz may have gone the rational-casebuilding route and has just replied that perhaps that Antimonies, being chronic trouble-magnet/s, are having negative effects on their relationship as well as Kat's work, therefore Antimonies shouldn't be Kat's friend/s... and Paz is at this moment anticipating a negative response from Kat. Alternatively, Paz might have gone the emotional-expression and passion route, stressing how much she wants to spend more time with Kat and how abandoned she feels when Kat drops everything to bail out the Antimonies (again) however she has just received a negative response from Kat. Probably the dumbest strategy that Paz might employ would be just trying to leverage intimacy and hold the relationship hostage. I think I'll go with that last one, and guess that Paz either just has or is right about to issue an ultimatum, possibly even one with the oft-used-by-teen-girls preamble, "IF YOU EVER WANT TO GET LAID AGAIN YOU WILL..." which will perhaps be followed by that oft-heard retort, "you mean laid by YOU, right?"
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Post by migrantworker on Dec 10, 2019 14:36:12 GMT
Has Paz demanded that something "for all the help I gave you, Kat" and been rejected? My guess is that Paz has been evaluating the time that Kat spends with Antimonies and working on the problems of Antimonies and has deemed it to be too large, possibly larger than the time that Kat spends with or doing things for Paz, and that Paz vocalized this along with the observation that Paz is Kat's gf whereas Antimonies are not. That would tie in well with the theme of possessiveness - if that's what's going on in Paz's mind. We'll see more tomorrow, I guess.
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Post by warrl on Dec 11, 2019 6:45:34 GMT
I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Paz is upset, and Kat is angry, about something someone else did.
Although I can't point at even one of the other suggestions in this thread (so far) and say "I think that's wrong".
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Post by madjack on Dec 11, 2019 7:03:21 GMT
I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Paz is upset, and Kat is angry, about something someone else did. Although I can't point at even one of the other suggestions in this thread (so far) and say "I think that's wrong". There's also the question of how soon we'll get the full info on what the fight was actually about. If it is over Annie being a toxic friend or a potentially dangerous doppelganger then I'm not sure Kat will be comfortable fully explaining that to Annie right now and might just brush it off for later. Paz does not look like she wants to talk. The Annies might decide to be discrete and leave them to it as well, in which case, they really have grown.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 11, 2019 7:37:42 GMT
I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Paz is upset, and Kat is angry, about something someone else did. Although I can't point at even one of the other suggestions in this thread (so far) and say "I think that's wrong". I can think of several things that Kat and Paz could disagree over but for Paz to be in tears and Kat to be unwilling to meet Paz's gaze (panel #2) I think it's got to be a/an Antimony/s one way or another, because with about anything else that Paz would want I think Kat would be willing to make Paz happy.
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Post by rosesonthewall on Dec 11, 2019 9:43:40 GMT
I've been thinking about this page, without having opened today's. I thought Tom really captured the faces here of a probably impassioned argument or fight between two people. Whatever the reason, whatever the outcome - their faces said so much. I've been there, that pain and anger when you cannot agree on something. So much feeling from just two panels!
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