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Post by csj on Jul 2, 2019 3:42:09 GMT
Tom testing out some jojo posing I see I'm glad it wasn't just me that thought of Jojo when seeing that. Along with the interesting colour scheme. He just needs a bunch more random holes or chains or such for the clothes. 'You thought you transferred the mind of Arthur but it was ME! Dio!' |
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Post by jda on Jul 2, 2019 4:30:48 GMT
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Post by merry76 on Jul 2, 2019 6:40:15 GMT
Still no nipples or navel to be seen. Neither is exactly necessary, but the omission is interesting. Well, this is the problem you face if you "design" a "human" being: do you include stuff that does make no sense in humans?
Nipples on a man (we humans use the same base body type, and it comes with nipples. But they serve no purpose other than being sensitive (which only ever comes into play during sex, otherwise its a weakness)).
Bellybutton (does actually nothing if you never had an umbilical cord, also a weakness/sensitive part) Appendix (it can get infected and kill you. there definitly are better organs) Tonsils (they can get inflamed and be a pain in the A, but at least they are more useful than the appendix) Laryngeal nerve (now that is some stupid design you dont want to copy...)
One could argue breasts on an artificial woman - we kinda like to see them, but they are not useful most of the time. And an artificial woman may or may not be able to nurse a baby anyway, so they would be completely useless other than optics. Also, the baby nursing part is overrated, both my kids didnt get breastfed, and they turned out allright because of science.
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Post by basser on Jul 2, 2019 7:38:33 GMT
Modern evidence suggests the appendix acts as a storehouse for gut flora to provide quick re-seeding after intestinal disease. So missing your appendix can prove detrimental if you get dysentery or whatever.
The bellybutton is of course the scar from our umbilical cords but it also houses an astonishing variety of skin bacteria which probably has some slight immunological benefit.
I got nothing on dude nipples, pretty sure those are just cause all embryos start out female.
Anyway does no one else find this whole situation kinda gross? Lady is acting like a goddamn sex fiend over a dude who just woke up in a new plane of existence and it is not endearing. Plus the power dynamic of a relationship wherein one partner literally designed the body of the other to their specific tastes is just... ew.
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Post by Eily on Jul 2, 2019 10:05:13 GMT
So the reason Arthur has no trouble using a body for the first time is because Kat installed all the necessary drivers after Robot did all the work. Robot is going to be really mad when Kat realizes she can't repeat the process because of the arrow thing. Where did you get the idea that Kat cannot use the same process again? Or are you suggesting that she did not keep the arrow? I don't know, I either missed or forgot the part about being able to do that several times. My bad... |
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Post by netherdan on Jul 2, 2019 11:27:53 GMT
I don't know, I either missed or forgot the part about being able to do that several times. My bad... To be fair, I found it weird that she ended up keeping the arrow since it's a device that can interfere with the ether at the root level and it was said that "the owner of the arrow should be punished" which implied that just keeping it was a crime... Maybe it catched Saslamel's interest to see someone actually "creating life" (even if in a multi step, multi generation thing like Diego creating the mind and Kat the body) |
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Post by Eily on Jul 2, 2019 13:56:17 GMT
I don't know, I either missed or forgot the part about being able to do that several times. My bad... To be fair, I found it weird that she ended up keeping the arrow since it's a device that can interfere with the ether at the root level and it was said that "the owner of the arrow should be punished" which implied that just keeping it was a crime... Maybe it catched Saslamel's interest to see someone actually "creating life" (even if in a multi step, multi generation thing like Diego creating the mind and Kat the body) Actually I think I was under the impression that Kat might have trouble doing the same thing again because that would give a purpose to the whole Saslamel intervention. I know they also had an impact on the double Annie, and Rey-toy plots, but those two arcs weren't really connected to the robot one until now. I think and I hope that the problem that came out of nowhere on the robot plot, with a solution that also came out of nowhere, wasn't just to progress on a previously unrelated arc, but that the arc that triggered the problem will actually be impacted by it. From there the conclusion is straightforward. If we suppose that the whole Saslamel thing is a problem waiting to happen, and it is connected to the robot arc, the most obvious problem that the robot arc can have is that Kat is not able to do the transfer again. Maybe because of a yet unforeseen consequence of the Saslamel intervention (and I really hope it's not "Terms & Conditions" stupid ball). |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 2, 2019 15:57:28 GMT
Modern evidence suggests the appendix acts as a storehouse for gut flora to provide quick re-seeding after intestinal disease. So missing your appendix can prove detrimental if you get dysentery or whatever. The bellybutton is of course the scar from our umbilical cords but it also houses an astonishing variety of skin bacteria which probably has some slight immunological benefit. I got nothing on dude nipples, pretty sure those are just cause all embryos start out female. Anyway does no one else find this whole situation kinda gross? Lady is acting like a goddamn sex fiend over a dude who just woke up in a new plane of existence and it is not endearing. Plus the power dynamic of a relationship wherein one partner literally designed the body of the other to their specific tastes is just... ew. Huh, I thought she just wanted to finally go shopping with him. Seriously, I totally agree with you...but in my opinion this is only maybe the fourth most disturbing romantic relationship in this comic. (And as I understood it, Juliette designed mostly the brain/interface. Re-reading "Katurday", Kat, Annie, Tony and Arthur himself were involved in the design process.) |
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Post by MarineMonarch on Jul 2, 2019 17:58:48 GMT
Anyway does no one else find this whole situation kinda gross? Lady is acting like a goddamn sex fiend over a dude who just woke up in a new plane of existence and it is not endearing. Plus the power dynamic of a relationship wherein one partner literally designed the body of the other to their specific tastes is just... ew. I mean, I think like half the reason these two convinced Kat to give Arthur a body was so they could bone. It's not like Arthur doesn't want to be hot for Juliette. |
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Post by fia on Jul 2, 2019 20:08:22 GMT
Anyway does no one else find this whole situation kinda gross? Lady is acting like a goddamn sex fiend over a dude who just woke up in a new plane of existence and it is not endearing. Plus the power dynamic of a relationship wherein one partner literally designed the body of the other to their specific tastes is just... ew. I mean, I think like half the reason these two convinced Kat to give Arthur a body was so they could bone. It's not like Arthur doesn't want to be hot for Juliette. I also think it matters that robots in GC have different relationships to their metal bodies than humans do to their bio bodies. For one thing, Arthur has completely changed bodies many times - including size, mobility, and other features. (See back in the Kat/Juliette/Arthur chapter). For another, robots aren't quite male or female as far as we know, though some look more feminine/masculine or less to us. Consider: the ship just wanted a flesh body to be noticed by Lindsay, not because he 'felt' like a whale, or a male creature. I guess for robots like Arthur and the ship, bodies can very much be tied to function (even romantic desire) before identity. That might change with these new bodies, as Robot is learning. The new bodies also provides new sensory stimulation. Arthur did participate in choosing his body features and was looking forward to leaving the Court with Juliette no matter what it took. He has a lot of autonomy. I think it's nice that Juliette is so excited. They are a long time couple, this is not a new romance where they have just begun dating. If Tony knows about them they have been together for at LEAST 14 years. We can't suppose they haven't already had intimate relations (in fact they probably have and know what they like). But gosh, imagine keeping your relationship a secret for that dang long. I'm surprised Juliette and Arthur aren't like KTHXBAIIII *they exit stage right into private room* |
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 3, 2019 2:12:38 GMT
I also think it matters that robots in GC have different relationships to their metal bodies than humans do to their bio bodies. For one thing, Arthur has completely changed bodies many times - including size, mobility, and other features. (See back in the Kat/Juliette/Arthur chapter). For another, robots aren't quite male or female as far as we know, though some look more feminine/masculine or less to us. Consider: the ship just wanted a flesh body to be noticed by Lindsay, not because he 'felt' like a whale, or a male creature. I guess for robots like Arthur and the ship, bodies can very much be tied to function (even romantic desire) before identity. That might change with these new bodies, as Robot is learning. The new bodies also provides new sensory stimulation. |
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Post by liminal on Jul 3, 2019 4:26:48 GMT
Modern evidence suggests the appendix acts as a storehouse for gut flora to provide quick re-seeding after intestinal disease. So missing your appendix can prove detrimental if you get dysentery or whatever. The bellybutton is of course the scar from our umbilical cords but it also houses an astonishing variety of skin bacteria which probably has some slight immunological benefit. I got nothing on dude nipples, pretty sure those are just cause all embryos start out female. Anyway does no one else find this whole situation kinda gross? Lady is acting like a goddamn sex fiend over a dude who just woke up in a new plane of existence and it is not endearing. Plus the power dynamic of a relationship wherein one partner literally designed the body of the other to their specific tastes is just... ew. Huh, I thought she just wanted to finally go shopping with him. Seriously, I totally agree with you...but in my opinion this is only maybe the fourth most disturbing romantic relationship in this comic. (And as I understood it, Juliette designed mostly the brain/interface. Re-reading "Katurday", Kat, Annie, Tony and Arthur himself were involved in the design process.) Would the other three happen to be Zimmy/Gamma, Red/Ayilu, and Jones/Eglamore? |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 3, 2019 19:02:04 GMT
Huh, I thought she just wanted to finally go shopping with him. Seriously, I totally agree with you...but in my opinion this is only maybe the fourth most disturbing romantic relationship in this comic. (And as I understood it, Juliette designed mostly the brain/interface. Re-reading "Katurday", Kat, Annie, Tony and Arthur himself were involved in the design process.) Would the other three happen to be Zimmy/Gamma, Red/Ayilu, and Jones/Eglamore? The first two - yes, definitely. The third one I thought of was actually Parley/Smitty. Granted, they seem like a pretty normal couple now, but the way Andrew just accepted the "love" professed by a girl who had treated him like dirt for one year, and never was shown apologizing or even feeling sorry for that, felt very uncomfortable to me.
Jones/Eglamore... well, relationships between humans and immortal beings who are only mimicking social skills are surely difficult. I am not sure they see themselves as being in a romantic relationship. As in, James has obviously never gotten over Surma, while Jones stated that she is a friend to him. Maybe they are just Friends With Benefits (TM)? |
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Post by merry76 on Jul 4, 2019 6:42:03 GMT
Jones/Eglamore... well, relationships between humans and immortal beings who are only mimicking social skills are surely difficult. I am not sure they see themselves as being in a romantic relationship. As in, James has obviously never gotten over Surma, while Jones stated that she is a friend to him. Maybe they are just Friends With Benefits (TM)? The benefits will not be on the sexual kind though. If you have a creature that has skin hard/durable enough to literally punch through walls and deflect swords with it (and fall from orbit), it is not being soft. If it isnt soft, Eglamore would have a more happy fun time having sex with a building, because it would be actually feel better/less painful than with Jones. And that is admitting that she could mould her body to actually give access to Eglamore parts when needed. It would still be like putting your thing into a casting mould.
But other than that, I can see Jones being acceptable as a platonic love interest. Sure she doesnt quite understand humans, but maybe its close enough (even if it is weird for both), but she might prefer to learn from a human, and he might enjoy to hear spouting cryptic exposition from when the world was young. I mean I would, I really enjoyed that chapter. It was epic.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 4, 2019 18:08:40 GMT
Jones/Eglamore... well, relationships between humans and immortal beings who are only mimicking social skills are surely difficult. I am not sure they see themselves as being in a romantic relationship. As in, James has obviously never gotten over Surma, while Jones stated that she is a friend to him. Maybe they are just Friends With Benefits (TM)? The benefits will not be on the sexual kind though. If you have a creature that has skin hard/durable enough to literally punch through walls and deflect swords with it (and fall from orbit), it is not being soft. If it isnt soft, Eglamore would have a more happy fun time having sex with a building, because it would be actually feel better/less painful than with Jones. And that is admitting that she could mould her body to actually give access to Eglamore parts when needed. It would still be like putting your thing into a casting mould.
But other than that, I can see Jones being acceptable as a platonic love interest. Sure she doesnt quite understand humans, but maybe its close enough (even if it is weird for both), but she might prefer to learn from a human, and he might enjoy to hear spouting cryptic exposition from when the world was young. I mean I would, I really enjoyed that chapter. It was epic.
Jones' body cannot be marked or damaged in any way, but no ever said it was hard like stone. That she is able to punch through a wall is thanks to her great strength and the pieces not being able to harm her skin. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Jul 5, 2019 4:17:14 GMT
Modern evidence suggests the appendix acts as a storehouse for gut flora to provide quick re-seeding after intestinal disease. So missing your appendix can prove detrimental if you get dysentery or whatever. The bellybutton is of course the scar from our umbilical cords but it also houses an astonishing variety of skin bacteria which probably has some slight immunological benefit. I got nothing on dude nipples, pretty sure those are just cause all embryos start out female. Anyway does no one else find this whole situation kinda gross? Lady is acting like a goddamn sex fiend over a dude who just woke up in a new plane of existence and it is not endearing. Plus the power dynamic of a relationship wherein one partner literally designed the body of the other to their specific tastes is just... ew. And tonsils, furthermore, play a role in the developing immune system of children. Dude nipples, as you point out, are due to the fact that the male and female bodies are based on the same base template, and the default end-point of development is a female body. As to your last point, you may want to note that, Juliett's big role was the interface, and Arthur had a direct role in body design. |
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Post by cartographer7 on Jul 5, 2019 19:54:35 GMT
Maybe they are just Friends With Benefits (TM)?
I'm confused... when have we gotten the idea that Eglamore and Jones have slept together? Did I miss something big or is this fanspec? |
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Post by Eversist on Jul 5, 2019 20:11:04 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 5, 2019 23:19:57 GMT
Maybe they are just Friends With Benefits (TM)?
I'm confused... when have we gotten the idea that Eglamore and Jones have slept together? Did I miss something big or is this fanspec? Not necessarily slept together, but they are physically close. I mean, I am pretty sure most of my female friends would mind if I came to a nightly visit and put my head on their laps.
As a semi-afterthought, Hamlet (the one from the play by Shakespeare) puts his head on Ophelia's lap while watching a play in the castle. I just read that it was an accepted thing for a suitor.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Jul 6, 2019 0:13:59 GMT
I'm confused... when have we gotten the idea that Eglamore and Jones have slept together? Did I miss something big or is this fanspec? Not necessarily slept together, but they are physically close. I mean, I am pretty sure most of my female friends would mind if I came to a nightly visit and put my head on their laps.
As a semi-afterthought, Hamlet (the one from the play by Shakespeare) puts his head on Ophelia's lap while watching a play in the castle. I just read that it was an accepted thing for a suitor.
Ophelia kinda protests when she does that, as I recall. Also, your female friends might mind that you do such a thing, but might Jones be more of a mothering figure to Eglamore? You may ask why Eglamore is still sleeping in "his mother's" lap, but when your mom is infinitely older than you I think a midly kiddish action can be forgiven |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 8, 2019 13:22:14 GMT
Not necessarily slept together, but they are physically close. I mean, I am pretty sure most of my female friends would mind if I came to a nightly visit and put my head on their laps.
As a semi-afterthought, Hamlet (the one from the play by Shakespeare) puts his head on Ophelia's lap while watching a play in the castle. I just read that it was an accepted thing for a suitor.
Ophelia kinda protests when she does that, as I recall. Also, your female friends might mind that you do such a thing, but might Jones be more of a mothering figure to Eglamore? You may ask why Eglamore is still sleeping in "his mother's" lap, but when your mom is infinitely older than you I think a midly kiddish action can be forgiven It is actually not that easy (at least to me) to grasp Shakespeare's intent in that dialogue. As far as I know, most of it is pretty overt sexual innuendo.
HAMLET Lady, shall I lie in your lap? Lying down at OPHELIA's feet
OPHELIA No, my lord.
HAMLET I mean, my head upon your lap?
OPHELIA Ay, my lord.
HAMLET Do you think I meant country matters?
OPHELIA I think nothing, my lord.
HAMLET That's a fair thought to lie between maids' legs.
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