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Post by tustin2121 on Jun 14, 2019 14:56:39 GMT
Can we take a moment to appreciate that the interpreter here just simply dismissed the willy-nilly creation of an alternate timeline as simply "inconvenient"? I wonder if that means that the Arbiter and he get double the amount of work when this happens. Also, time for the wibbly wobbly!Edit: wait, would the goose water and lake bone have been lost also in the alternate timeline? While I absolutely love the idea that Kat would have to learn how to hop across alternate timeline in order to help Annie get the water and bone, I'm pretty sure it was said that they were lost in Loup's attack on the court ( they were in the same building as the seeds which suddenly exploded into a tree). And if the timeline divergence happened at the point where Annie entered the forest, which we're pretty sure is the case, the water and bone were lost before the divergence. Which means they'd be lost in 1985A the other timeline as well. |
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Post by saardvark on Jun 14, 2019 15:36:05 GMT
argh, timey-wimey stuff makes my head tumble like an unbalanced washing machine.
my guess is a time-shifted person, when removed from their timeline, doesn't just not come back, they completely fade away as though they never existed. So in that alternate timeline, Surma might still be alive. I think its a bit too messy that way. If "the big Fade" were the case, removing Annie would effectively rewrite that timeline going backwards, removing not only Annie, but any effect she ever had on anyone/anything, which in effect makes it a completely different timeline. Easier would be she just disappears and that particular "Annie-removed" timeline is only changed going forwards. Agreed tho, that time-stuff is a mess to wrap your head around... |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 14, 2019 16:08:09 GMT
I'm going to side step this parallel dimension stuff and talk about something else: I don't like that Coyote is "not supposed to do things". Coyote is measured, calculated, unfettered chaos; he's not supposed to be dictated by some stuffy government agency! He's a god!  He's our weird little chaotic space dog. Why am I so upset by this?I always assumed that "doing things without permission" was part of a Trickster God's standard issue M.O. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 14, 2019 16:53:29 GMT
I'm going to side step this parallel dimension stuff and talk about something else: I don't like that Coyote is "not supposed to do things". Coyote is measured, calculated, unfettered chaos; he's not supposed to be dictated by some stuffy government agency! He's a god! He's our weird little chaotic space dog. Why am I so upset by this?Do you think Coyote ever cared about what he was "(not) supposed to do"? I do not. (See the story when he placed the stars on the night sky.) |
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Post by Anthony on Jun 14, 2019 17:29:50 GMT
Another important question, can they also destroy timelines as they wish? Like, can Loup destroy this timeline any moment and keep only the timeline with no Annies?
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Post by Igniz on Jun 14, 2019 17:46:12 GMT
I was skeptical (and still am a little) and Skippy's use of the word "we" previously still suggests he's more than just a translator but for the moment I'm willing to accept that Saslamel is what he (according to his translator) claims. I think he used the word "we" in the same way an employee does when speaking on behalf of the company or a boss: "we welcome you", "we wish you farewell", "we have plenty of experience", "we will take legal action", etc. I agree that he is more than a translator, acting more like a personal assistant or secretary. That universe, surely, is the same one we've followed all this time? I theorize that we will go back to that one with "our" Annie. Up until Annie entered the forest, there was only one timeline and it was the only one that had been shown. The split occurred at that very moment, and from then on we've been following Courtnie's timeline, we haven't seen the Annieless one at all. I always assumed that "doing things without permission" was part of a Trickster God's standard issue M.O. Can do ≠ supposed to do  Another important question, can they also destroy timelines as they wish? Like, can Loup destroy this timeline any moment and keep only the timeline with no Annies? Interesting question. Given the abilities of beings such as Coyote, it certainly could be possible, though it remains to be seen (if ever). |
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Post by tustin2121 on Jun 14, 2019 18:06:05 GMT
Another important question, can they also destroy timelines as they wish? Like, can Loup destroy this timeline any moment and keep only the timeline with no Annies? Regardless of whether he can or not, he's not going to keep only the timeline with no Annies, because he loves Annie (to a creepy degree). So I think this timeline is safe. The other timeline, however, has no such protection... |
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Post by Eve Swann on Jun 14, 2019 18:15:19 GMT
Another important question, can they also destroy timelines as they wish? Like, can Loup destroy this timeline any moment and keep only the timeline with no Annies? Regardless of whether he can or not, he's not going to keep only the timeline with no Annies, because he loves Annie (to a creepy degree). So I think this timeline is safe. The other timeline, however, has no such protection... Uh oh, that's true. Unless he plans on putting its Annie back eventually. |
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Post by netherdan on Jun 14, 2019 18:47:58 GMT
YAY! Time travel shenanigans 🤪
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Post by fia on Jun 14, 2019 19:14:07 GMT
*eats a cookie*
Loup made two Annies by 'making' two parallel timelines that diverge at a singular event, it looks like.
It may be that they have other tiny differences before that point (which might explain how odd Courtnie and CoKat looked to us when Fannie first came back from the forest – I expected Kat, aka FoKat ((...sorry)) to have short hair, for Annie to have made more progress with her dad and to keep her long hair, but CoKat and FoKat it turns out are both dating Paz and making good progress on robot bodies etc). Or perhaps Loup's intervention really IS the only difference, and Annie wanted her hair short all along as a form of control, as Tom revealed in the video recap, and I suppose Kat only wanted short hair while she was figuring herself out.
Anyway, in short: I wonder how Fannie is going to react, knowing she REALLY IS in the 'wrong' timeline for herself, that all her friends and her dad are still in danger in the alternate timeline or, worse, that all the people she directly knew never existed... Fannie is now not only from the forest, she's a temporal and dimensional anomaly! Anti-nomy perhaps, instead of Anti-mony.
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Post by arkadi on Jun 14, 2019 20:22:06 GMT
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Post by netherdan on Jun 14, 2019 21:13:29 GMT
Loup made two Annies by 'making' two parallel timelines that diverge at a singular event, it looks like. At least it's not a "shifted back in time" as I thought, so Yay for the people that wanted there to be two Annies instead of one continuous Annie interacting with herself. But also, they learned that there's another timeline that currently has no Annie around and everyone is worried shitless about her and probably at an all out war with Loup, so she would probably want to go back there to solve the situation. So probably Nay for the people who wanted a permanent Carver Twins Adventure? Then they have to figure out who is the shifted one and who belongs in this current timeline. Did the one that got shushed away from the forest after the boom noises (little big bang happened there) got pulled from her timeline? Or did the one who talked to Loup got transported to the new timeline? I'm assuming that the timelines were split the moment she walked into the forest since Clippy said that "Coyote" can create them, thus I'm assuming that they share the same past... Let the headaches begin! PS: it's possible that Loup didn't care much for this new timeline aside from pulling an Annie from it so he must have left it on its own entirely, either by not creating another self during the split, by merging with himself or by being a multi-dimensional being that could interact with both timelines aka 4th-dimensional-dude from Rick and Morty so throw into the bin that this new timeline could be Loupless and thus the Forest is in complete disarray, or in this case, it got "ordered" out by the Court's influence without Coyote's chaos network, so it's just a normal forest without anything etheric and the Court has lost it's purpose of being there and lost it's etheric powersource bismuth seed and it's been like that for six months and Kat will spend months figuring out dimensional travel for Annie to get back there to see just the ruins of it and everythingislostAAAAA Let. The. Headaches. Begin! |
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Post by keef on Jun 14, 2019 21:46:36 GMT
I hope, one day, a posthumous Hugo will be awarded to Hugh Everett III (They could just rename the award). Wildspec just got complicated. It wasn't complicated enough? Oh dear.
I'm going to side step this parallel dimension stuff and talk about something else: I don't like that Coyote is "not supposed to do things". Coyote is measured, calculated, unfettered chaos; he's not supposed to be dictated by some stuffy government agency! He's a god! He's our weird little chaotic space dog. Why am I so upset by this?In the end bureaucracy beats divinity. It's who we are as a species, we can make everything boring. Or, more diplomatic, we can create order where there was none.
But which of them is from alternate timeline? [spec]Theoretically that doesn't matter any more. [/spec]
Another important question, can they also destroy timelines as they wish? Like, can Loup destroy this timeline any moment and keep only the timeline with no Annies? That would be an awfully powerful tool. Every fart, held in just a second longer, creates a new timeline, so if a god could prune these timelines, cross them and consciously pick and choose from them...
...On the other hand, in that timeline, it would be just a complicated way to (effectively) kill Annie. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Jun 14, 2019 22:44:28 GMT
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Post by Nnelg on Jun 14, 2019 23:10:06 GMT
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Post by DonDueed on Jun 14, 2019 23:30:13 GMT
While it's in no way certain, I think it's likely that fAnnie is the one who was pulled from the other dimension/universe, since she's the one who noticed that things had changed (effects of Loup's invasion of the Court, which hadn't happened in her dimension by the time she entered this one). Up to that point, though, that other dimension seems to have been exactly the same as "ours", suggesting it originated in a recent branch from this one.
So, Loup yanks Annie out of her home dimension. The Loup in that dimension rolls his eyes and pulls another Annie from yet another dimension to replace her. The Loup in that dimension grabs yet another Annie from still another dimension...
Yup. It's Annies all the way down.
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Post by warrl on Jun 14, 2019 23:38:12 GMT
Lovecraft's racism is usually misstated.
Yes, he said horrible things about blacks. But if you dig deeper, you'll realize that it wasn't anti-black racism. It was anti-everyone-but-English racism. He was similarly disrespectful of the brutal savages who populate Denmark.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 14, 2019 23:43:39 GMT
While it's in no way certain, I think it's likely that fAnnie is the one who was pulled from the other dimension/universe, since she's the one who noticed that things had changed (effects of Loup's invasion of the Court, which hadn't happened in her dimension by the time she entered this one). Up to that point, though, that other dimension seems to have been exactly the same as "ours", suggesting it originated in a recent branch from this one.
So, Loup yanks Annie out of her home dimension. The Loup in that dimension rolls his eyes and pulls another Annie from yet another dimension to replace her. The Loup in that dimension grabs yet another Annie from still another dimension... Yup. It's Annies all the way down.
That is, until they reach our dimension, where Loup sucks ALL of the Gunnerkrigg-related weirdness out - which includes Loup. Of course, after Gunnerkrigg is erased from our existence, nobody remembers it, except for those few lucky enough to be able to tune into the next dimension over; much like that episode of "Darkwing Duck" where he is trapped in a world of hairless apes.
I love alternate universe stories.
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Post by sleepcircle on Jun 15, 2019 13:52:31 GMT
Yes, he said horrible things about blacks. But if you dig deeper, you'll realize that it wasn't anti-black racism. It was anti-everyone-but-English racism. He was similarly disrespectful of the brutal savages who populate Denmark. he probably got it from that nazi, shakespeare |
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Post by Corvo on Jun 15, 2019 15:25:02 GMT
Another important question, can they also destroy timelines as they wish? Like, can Loup destroy this timeline any moment and keep only the timeline with no Annies? Well, he probably could recreate them in an instant and no one would ever know they were destroyed in the first place, so I guess it doesn't really matter what he does with offscene-timelines. |
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Post by Eily on Jun 15, 2019 16:47:10 GMT
While it's in no way certain, I think it's likely that fAnnie is the one who was pulled from the other dimension/universe, since she's the one who noticed that things had changed (effects of Loup's invasion of the Court, which hadn't happened in her dimension by the time she entered this one). Up to that point, though, that other dimension seems to have been exactly the same as "ours", suggesting it originated in a recent branch from this one.
So, Loup yanks Annie out of her home dimension. The Loup in that dimension rolls his eyes and pulls another Annie from yet another dimension to replace her. The Loup in that dimension grabs yet another Annie from still another dimension... Yup. It's Annies all the way down.
Well, Loup being who he is, if there's an original Annie and an alternate one, I would expect him to choose to talk to the original one. So Courtnie (the one he dismissed) would be the duplicate. Also he might have just split the timeline but not himself. He certainly wouldn't like the idea of not being unique, and the alternate Loup certainly wouldn't have let him take the Annie from his timeline without a fight. So in the alternate timeline, both Annie and Loup may have suddenly disappeared. Also, what happened with the contract for the other Kat? Annie wasn't there to accept changing the contract, so did Clippy just put Kat in jail? |
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Post by gpvos on Jun 15, 2019 18:38:42 GMT
Anyway, in short: I wonder how Fannie is going to react, knowing she REALLY IS in the 'wrong' timeline for herself, [...] she's a temporal and dimensional anomaly! What makes you think Fannie is the shifted one? I thought it was clear from what Loup said that it was Courtnie. |
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Post by somebunny on Jun 16, 2019 10:24:23 GMT
Interesting to hear confirmation from some important etheric being that Loup is indeed not Coyote.
Poor Kat, I am imagining what she's hearing right now is "I let my best friend go into the forest after the court was attacked, and it was dumb luck that I ever saw her again".
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 16, 2019 12:14:39 GMT
While it's in no way certain, I think it's likely that fAnnie is the one who was pulled from the other dimension/universe, since she's the one who noticed that things had changed (effects of Loup's invasion of the Court, which hadn't happened in her dimension by the time she entered this one). Up to that point, though, that other dimension seems to have been exactly the same as "ours", suggesting it originated in a recent branch from this one.
So, Loup yanks Annie out of her home dimension. The Loup in that dimension rolls his eyes and pulls another Annie from yet another dimension to replace her. The Loup in that dimension grabs yet another Annie from still another dimension...
Yup. It's Annies all the way down.
The next Loup needs TWO Annies, one to talk to and one to appease the Court, so he steals them from two more timelines, whose Loups in turn need FOUR Annies, and... let's say it escalates quickly. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 16, 2019 19:39:24 GMT
I get the feeling that if we're going to solve this time problem, we're going to need Loup to show up soon, and not just a recording.
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Post by fia on Jun 17, 2019 16:19:40 GMT
Anyway, in short: I wonder how Fannie is going to react, knowing she REALLY IS in the 'wrong' timeline for herself, [...] she's a temporal and dimensional anomaly! What makes you think Fannie is the shifted one? I thought it was clear from what Loup said that it was Courtnie. Welp, now it's clear that whatever Loup said was ambiguous, because it turns out we were *both* right??? They're both shifted. It's all nuts. |
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Edit: wait, would the goose water and lake bone have been lost also in the alternate timeline?
He's our weird little chaotic space dog. 
