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Post by ctso74 on Jun 10, 2019 17:43:10 GMT
I'm surprised Willy Wonka bothered with the contract, considering his flippant stance on OSHA Compliance(assuming WWatCF is set post-1971 US, that is). Frippery, I say. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 10, 2019 18:34:28 GMT
But...but...the arrow? The JAIL THING?! Aren't those still kind of in play here?!?
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Post by MarineMonarch on Jun 10, 2019 19:21:02 GMT
Ah Kat, I love ya. A bona-fide technical genius, but still a 14-15 year old kid with almost no concept of "responsibility" or "caution". She's been treating this etheric contract business very flippantly this whole chapter, and to be fair she's never really had to suffer consequences or reprimands for her work before (excluding Torn Sea I guess, but that was very temporary).
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Post by arkadi on Jun 10, 2019 20:03:57 GMT
Strictly speaking, we don't know that the whole "this technology is illegal and you're going to jail for just having it" thing is not some bullshit Saslamel and Clippy made up for the specific purpose of making Kat sign this suspiciously convenient contract that she hasn't bothered to read.
Just saying.
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Post by stef1987 on Jun 10, 2019 20:37:16 GMT
Does anyone get what's happening? cause I sure don't understand what Annie and Renard have to do with Kat and the robot
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Post by warrl on Jun 10, 2019 22:33:33 GMT
I never read End User License Agreements. They're too long and don't mean much anyway. On the other hand, if it's terms and conditions for something where I'm creating something (like, for example, the license for uploading to an app store), I quite thoroughly skim those for stupid things and any gotchas. Kat really should know better... Also, it being an "accept" button instead of a signature line is really off-putting in a "you've thrown me out of the suspension of disbelief" kind of way... A US court did eventually rule that opening a package cannot constitute agreement to a contract that is *inside* the package - i.e. that you presumably can't read until after you open the package. |
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Post by fwip on Jun 10, 2019 22:53:54 GMT
Nothing ominous at all about cliffhanging that button clicking until the next page It's like chess - until she takes her hand away, it's not done yet. Kat, next page: "Wait, I'm going to read this...." The sad thing is it would probably be really interesting reading anyway. My two cents: I trust Clippy and Saslamel, it seems to me that they're too powerful to bother with trickery. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 10, 2019 23:41:35 GMT
On topic: I'm with tustin2121 in that I would've preferred Kat to sign the paper instead of just pressing a button. This page has been too... computery. I realize that they are in essence sysadmins and conveying their function as such by borrowing appearances from the world of computers makes sense for making the reader understand their roles. That being said, providing a quickstart guide and a button for accepting contracts takes it too far out of the realm of mythology for my liking. Who knows, it might just be Kat's version we see, like in the RotD. Maybe what Kat perceives as an EULA with an accept button (which might or might not include a fingerprint scan) could in Annie's eyes be an elaborate scroll signed with ink and a quill. Robot Souls and the Supernatural Realm are currently on their 15-city North American tour. Love that band name. If I ever start a band, it definitively has to have a name of the "X and the Ys" variation. |
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Post by todd on Jun 10, 2019 23:57:52 GMT
Ah Kat, I love ya. A bona-fide technical genius, but still a 14-15 year old kid with almost no concept of "responsibility" or "caution". She's been treating this etheric contract business very flippantly this whole chapter, and to be fair she's never really had to suffer consequences or reprimands for her work before (excluding Torn Sea I guess, but that was very temporary). Not surprising, given that she's been raised in a "mad scientist" community which sees the children as the next generation who have to be trained to carry on the work of their predecessors. I suspect that the adults fear that, if they tried teaching Kat caution towards her robot project, she might take a similar approach towards the Court's own big projects like whatever they're doing in the power plant, and they'd lose her talents. |
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Post by todd on Jun 10, 2019 23:59:59 GMT
Does anyone get what's happening? cause I sure don't understand what Annie and Renard have to do with Kat and the robot From what I can make out, Kat unwittingly goofed when she used the arrow to switch ownership of Reynardine back to Annie, and put in some kind of connection to her robot project, because it also involved the green arrow (or something that the green arrow was the basis for). |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 11, 2019 0:49:07 GMT
For some reason the current page reminded me of this. |
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Post by machiavelli33 on Jun 11, 2019 1:18:15 GMT
Wait wait WAIT KAT WAIT NO READ THE THING-
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 11, 2019 2:12:00 GMT
Strictly speaking, we don't know that the whole "this technology is illegal and you're going to jail for just having it" thing is not some bullshit Saslamel and Clippy made up for the specific purpose of making Kat sign this suspiciously convenient contract that she hasn't bothered to read. Seeing as Lil' Clippy there is being deceptive, has refused to identify himself, and one or both of this pair of jokers has threatened my friend/coworker with jailtime I wouldn't even get to a point where I'd be looking over a contract or any other document they present for me to sign. |
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 11, 2019 4:47:26 GMT
Wait, by "the same process" do they mean using the arrow? Are they allowing her to use the arrow for this purpose? Does the contract bind her to not use it to force contracts on other living beings than the soulless bodies she herself creates? We shall never know, for the Angel didn't read it. And it was worth it! No, by "same process" they mean growing a body in a vat and then using a computer to transfer the mind from a mechanical golem to a biological meat sack. Kat will be allowed to do basically the exact same thing she's been doing, just minus the arrow. |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jun 11, 2019 7:20:10 GMT
Show of hands who read the EULA of the forum when signing up. Or the EULA of using their latest smartphone? Or the last time Google/Apple/Microsoft changed their EULA?
I know it's kinda important, but Kat is just a kid, and a very trusting one at that.
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Post by keef on Jun 11, 2019 9:09:31 GMT
Show of hands who read the EULA of the forum when signing up. Or the EULA of using their latest smartphone? Or the last time Google/Apple/Microsoft changed their EULA? Four out of five (I don't think I bothered to read my smartphone's EULA). I really have to much time on my hands. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 11, 2019 13:06:27 GMT
Show of hands who read the EULA of the forum when signing up. Or the EULA of using their latest smartphone? Or the last time Google/Apple/Microsoft changed their EULA? I usually read the sections that I know I'm likely to have problems with and stop reading if I hit a dealbreaker. I may or may not skim other sections; TOS and EULA are kluge documents so that's usually enough but for important things I do read the whole document. More importantly, read all TOS updates. If the TOS updates in a nasty way it's important to walk away even if it's a fun or useful service. Twice I've had banks add high balance ($1-2kUSD) requirements to basic checking and have closed the accounts and/or switched banks. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Jun 11, 2019 14:44:57 GMT
Wait, by "the same process" do they mean using the arrow? Are they allowing her to use the arrow for this purpose? Does the contract bind her to not use it to force contracts on other living beings than the soulless bodies she herself creates? We shall never know, for the Angel didn't read it. And it was worth it! No, by "same process" they mean growing a body in a vat and then using a computer to transfer the mind from a mechanical golem to a biological meat sack. Kat will be allowed to do basically the exact same thing she's been doing, just minus the arrow. Uh, no, if you remove the arrow from the equation, that's no longer "the same process". It's been said that the arrow is vital to the process of transferring consciousness like this. And the interpreter says in this page that the contract can be changed to a multi-use contract for the purposes of continuing to use this process. Both of those do imply that the arrow is now somehow allowed to be in Kat's possession, so maybe that'll be said explicitly in the next couple pages. I'm now imagining, decades later, Kat's tinkering with something, and she presses a button and suddenly her wall changes into the Arbiter again. She sighs wearily and asks in his native tongue how he's been doing recently before saying "What did I screw up this time?". |
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Post by netherdan on Jun 11, 2019 14:55:55 GMT
No, by "same process" they mean growing a body in a vat and then using a computer to transfer the mind from a mechanical golem to a biological meat sack. Kat will be allowed to do basically the exact same thing she's been doing, just minus the arrow. Uh, no, if you remove the arrow from the equation, that's no longer "the same process". It's been said that the arrow is vital to the process of transferring contagiousness like this. And the interpreter says in this page that the contract can be changed to a multi-use contract for the purposes of continuing to use this process. Both of those do imply that the arrow is now somehow allowed to be in Kat's possession, so maybe that'll be said explicitly in the next couple pages. I'm now imagining, decades later, Kat's tinkering with something, and she presses a button and suddenly her wall changes into the Arbiter again. She sighs wearily and asks in his native tongue how he's been doing recently before saying "What did I screw up this time?". Maybe the arrow is not very important now that she has a contract that allows her to do it? I mean, I'm presuming she tried to "create a new contract" so that Arthur could own his new body but didn't know how it worked and accidentally stole the Annies' contract, but now that the Annies gave her the contract and the arbiter changed it to multi-use she can do it without the arrow somehow. That would undermine some of her researches that involve the Arrow's abilities but not the "transfer robot mind to living bodies" one, since the New Contract covers it Since this is all in the ether, even though Annie's and Kats perceptions of it are the same this time, it's probably the two of them registering the contract as a computery yes/no thing. Basically it's their human perceptions interpreting what they're seeing into human norms. It makes sense that at their age that's the kind of contract they're most familiar with. Yes. I bet the Annies would be seeing her touching it with the palm of her hand and the contract glowing (if they weren't too distracted by the quick start guide to warn her to read the contract first) and if Jenny was there she would see her signing it with a quill and her own blood |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 11, 2019 18:55:24 GMT
For some reason the current page reminded me of this. Me it reminded of this. |
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Post by netherdan on Jun 11, 2019 19:09:51 GMT
For some reason the current page reminded me of this. Me it reminded of this. Clippy is clearly a Carnymancer and Saslamel is just a Dirtamancy+Foolamancy trick |
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Post by Igniz on Jun 11, 2019 19:45:56 GMT
Just announced at E3 2019:  I'm surprised Willy Wonka bothered with the contract, considering his flippant stance on OSHA Compliance(assuming WWatCF is set post-1971 US, that is). Frippery, I say. Yeah... if you go by the movies. In the books, he is British.  |
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Post by saardvark on Jun 11, 2019 20:33:53 GMT
Does anyone get what's happening? cause I sure don't understand what Annie and Renard have to do with Kat and the robot From what I can make out, Kat unwittingly goofed when she used the arrow to switch ownership of Reynardine back to Annie, and put in some kind of connection to her robot project, because it also involved the green arrow (or something that the green arrow was the basis for). It's not 100% clear. It's possible that Kat used the arrow to do the transfer because she intuited that it somehow affected the possession of things * - it sorta grabs the ownership contract, as it were - and she hoped to use that to change ownership of the robots from the Court to self-ownership, for those robots that wished it (e.g., Arthur, Robot). The arrow picked up a trace of the Rey-Annie ownership contract when ownership was routed thru it. Im guessing that Kat rewrote (in software) the contract in the arrow, from Annie owning Rey to Arthur owning himself. But this was effective reuse of a single-use contract, badness in the eyes of Saslamel. Also, Kat maybe didn't erase the contract completely in the reusing it, so that the contract also had some residual Rey ownership (with a living sentient mind). When she then used the (unknown to her) incompletely modified/erased, reused contract to transfer Arthur's mind into his new body (and Court ownership to himself), Rey's ownership went with it, so that Arthur would now (at least part) own Rey... and placing ownership on a living mind is a second badness, and a big Salsamel, etheric contract policeman, shows up. Maybe! (This is an evolution of the arrow as etheric contract sponge idea...) * (it possessed Green Guy, thereby rooting Jeanne's spirit to the riverbank by her love for him) |
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Post by electricguitarsolo on Jun 12, 2019 0:17:58 GMT
She's been treating this etheric contract business very flippantly this whole chapter, and to be fair she's never really had to suffer consequences or reprimands for her work before... I'm glad I came back to read the later comments. I'm so used to Annie acting this way that I completely missed that Kat's started down the same path. |
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Post by todd on Jun 12, 2019 0:44:42 GMT
Just announced at E3 2019: Is this true? I googled "Gunnerkrigg Court" in connection with "e3" and "capcom", and haven't found any results yet. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 12, 2019 5:41:44 GMT
Just announced at E3 2019: Is this true? I googled "Gunnerkrigg Court" in connection with "e3" and "capcom", and haven't found any results yet. You'll have to Google "Okami." |
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