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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 5, 2019 7:00:06 GMT
[edit]The arbitrator has offered to change Renard's status... but "familiar" sounds significantly different from his previous status.[/edit] Comic's up early again. Or maybe it's updating earlier from now on. |
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 5, 2019 7:14:50 GMT
Wow, one insomniac night and I get the privilege of being one of the first to see the comic update (3AM EST)! Is it possible to change the thread name, and if so, may I propose "Familiar" or "Fine by me"?
Congratulations, Renard. You've leveled up.
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Post by philman on Jun 5, 2019 7:31:49 GMT
Wow, one insomniac night and I get the privilege of being one of the first to see the comic update (3AM EST)! Is it possible to change the thread name, and if so, may I propose "Familiar" or "Fine by me"? Congratulations, Renard. You've leveled up. I don't understand how you guys handle being up so early to watch it update, waiting for GC updating at 9am while trying to avoid colleagues seeing my screen is the start to 3/5 of my workdays! How is Familier different to what Renard is now? What changes will it bring, it sounds like it is just the same thing they have now but with a different name. |
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Post by arkadi on Jun 5, 2019 7:38:04 GMT
Renard Is Surprisingly Fine With This Situation.
I mean, we know he's fond of Annie and all that, but you'd think he'd still like to have his own freedom.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 5, 2019 7:38:50 GMT
I don't understand how you guys handle being up so early to watch it update, waiting for GC updating at 9am while trying to avoid colleagues seeing my screen is the start to 3/5 of my workdays! I hesitate to disillusion you but my secret is insomnia. It updates at 3:00am where I live (though lately it's been a little early). I'm not up to watch the comic update, I'm often up when the comic updates.  |
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Post by madjack on Jun 5, 2019 7:44:58 GMT
I prefer the easy way out and simply be Australian for those sweet late afternoon updates.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jun 5, 2019 7:45:10 GMT
Wow, one insomniac night and I get the privilege of being one of the first to see the comic update (3AM EST)! Is it possible to change the thread name, and if so, may I propose "Familiar" or "Fine by me"? Congratulations, Renard. You've leveled up. I don't understand how you guys handle being up so early to watch it update, waiting for GC updating at 9am while trying to avoid colleagues seeing my screen is the start to 3/5 of my workdays! How is Familier different to what Renard is now? What changes will it bring, it sounds like it is just the same thing they have now but with a different name. Well, before he wasn't a familiar by choice, but because he inhabited a "body" that was already under contract by someone. but seeing as his power of transpositioning isn't part of his contract, apparently, why would being in the toy have stopped him from possessing another body? Now, he had a say in it, and he still willingly chose to stay with the kids/teenagers/girls. |
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Post by coastal on Jun 5, 2019 8:11:47 GMT
What do you guys think, should Renard go back to his original body? Should they try to get it back? Should that be a priority?
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Post by madjack on Jun 5, 2019 8:36:35 GMT
What do you guys think, should Renard go back to his original body? Should they try to get it back? Should that be a priority? Honestly, that last panel is the best indication Rey could give that he's happy as he is for now. |
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Post by arf on Jun 5, 2019 9:06:39 GMT
Reynard: Hmm. Familiar, eh? I understand they're fed by...
Annies: ... cold porridge fed through a hole in that box you seem to have forgotten I have.
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Post by Per on Jun 5, 2019 9:16:30 GMT
Typo: "posses"
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Post by coastal on Jun 5, 2019 9:25:41 GMT
What do you guys think, should Renard go back to his original body? Should they try to get it back? Should that be a priority? Honestly, that last panel is the best indication Rey could give that he's happy as he is for now. Strategically, though? |
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Post by madjack on Jun 5, 2019 9:35:38 GMT
Honestly, that last panel is the best indication Rey could give that he's happy as he is for now. Strategically, though? Annie at least has never been the type to think that far ahead, so she'd probably just ask him when/if the time came to hand back the bodysnatching powers and they'd consider it then, I guess? Non-answer, I know but it's in character for her. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Jun 5, 2019 11:12:47 GMT
Wow, one insomniac night and I get the privilege of being one of the first to see the comic update (3AM EST)! Is it possible to change the thread name, and if so, may I propose "Familiar" or "Fine by me"? Congratulations, Renard. You've leveled up. I don't understand how you guys handle being up so early to watch it update, waiting for GC updating at 9am while trying to avoid colleagues seeing my screen is the start to 3/5 of my workdays! How is Familier different to what Renard is now? What changes will it bring, it sounds like it is just the same thing they have now but with a different name. Well, for the past couple updates my secret has been assigned late night shifts at the hospital. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 5, 2019 11:31:28 GMT
Annie at least has never been the type to think that far ahead, so she'd probably just ask him when/if the time came to hand back the bodysnatching powers and they'd consider it then, I guess? Non-answer, I know but it's in character for her. Do not forget Loup wanted that power back as well, along with the objects. He explicitly offered Rey's original fox body in return. So the question should come up in the next chapters... |
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Post by Corvo on Jun 5, 2019 12:03:18 GMT
Ok, I understand where Renard is coming from: he's lived for centuries and will (hopefully) live for many more, so spending a few decades under someone's orders should sound more like a curious job than a lifetime of servitude. But Annie being ok with having Renard under her control for the rest of her life, no matter what body he takes? Well, that's just cold! Specially after all that drama with her father and the "I don't deserve to have any power over you" talk.
And what's with Saslamel's logic?! How does giving Renard (his "soul", let's call it) to Annie balances her giving up the wolf toy?!
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Post by madjack on Jun 5, 2019 12:06:16 GMT
Annie at least has never been the type to think that far ahead, so she'd probably just ask him when/if the time came to hand back the bodysnatching powers and they'd consider it then, I guess? Non-answer, I know but it's in character for her. Do not forget Loup wanted that power back as well, along with the objects. He explicitly offered Rey's original fox body in return. So the question should come up in the next chapters... Yeah that was what I was thinking of. The question is would he remain bound to her in his old body, even without Coyote's gifts, given this new potential status? |
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Post by Eily on Jun 5, 2019 12:21:13 GMT
Ok, I understand where Renard is coming from: he's lived for centuries and will (hopefully) live for many more, so spending a few decades under someone's orders should sound more like a curious job than a lifetime of servitude. But Annie being ok with having Renard under her control for the rest of her life, no matter what body he takes? Well, that's just cold! Specially after all that drama with her father and the "I don't deserve to have any power over you" talk. And what's with Saslamel's logic?! How does giving Renard (his "soul", let's call it) to Annie balances her giving up the wolf toy?! My thoughts exactly. There is actually one good reason to keep Renard as a familiar, it was mentionned in another thread that Renard is allowed to stay in the Court only because he belongs and obeys to Annie. But they all jumped straight to the conclusion that Annie owning Renard himself rather than his current body is clear better option than freeing him altogether, without taking any time to consider the consequences. Also the Annies are mortal, but who says their ownership of Renard won't be passed down to their children? That would be the start of a lineage of fire elementals with a fox familiar. The whole comic was just an elaborate pun on firefox all along  |
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Post by yinglung on Jun 5, 2019 12:22:58 GMT
How is Familier different to what Renard is now? What changes will it bring, it sounds like it is just the same thing they have now but with a different name. Now, when Renard returns to his body, or if Annie has him inhabit a body with a different owner (like a robot body) she would still be in control of his actions to some degree. This is not to mention that there is typically some sort of power/sense sharing between witch and familiar, though that might not be the case here. Ok, I understand where Renard is coming from: he's lived for centuries and will (hopefully) live for many more, so spending a few decades under someone's orders should sound more like a curious job than a lifetime of servitude. But Annie being ok with having Renard under her control for the rest of her life, no matter what body he takes? Well, that's just cold! Specially after all that drama with her father and the "I don't deserve to have any power over you" talk. And what's with Saslamel's logic?! How does giving Renard (his "soul", let's call it) to Annie balances her giving up the wolf toy?! It's not currently known if the familiar bond cannot be dissolved by Annie if that's what they want. However, I believe both Annie(s) and Renard are fine with it, because it works as a sort of familial bond. They all care about each other's well-being, and want to stay with each other for the foreseeable future. I suspect this is not about equivalent exchange between the two ownerships, but rather redefining the current ownership into something more bureaucratically convenient. If anything, being her familiar might be more advantageous in general, rather than being owned. Annie might have less control over him as a familiar, but have greater rapport. |
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Post by baf on Jun 5, 2019 12:28:13 GMT
So, it seems like this is all setting up Rey being allowed (or commanded) to take over different bodies again without Annie losing control over him. That could be interesting. Presumably he'd still kill the host on exit, but he could stick to inanimate objects.
Also, I notice that no one has mentioned anything about this new arrangement affecting the jail sentence at all.
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Post by bicarbonat on Jun 5, 2019 12:40:47 GMT
So, now Renard belongs to both of them.
Including the one we still haven't had a proper 2nd-shoe-drop for. The duplicate inexplicably created by the giant mentally unstable vindictive wildcard that we haven't seen in, yea, these many moons.
A "threat" to the Court is now owned by two Annies, one of whom was sent to said Court by the other (way more actual) threat for... shenaniganical reasons.
Okay. Yes, this will be fine. Just nerves, is all.
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Post by Eily on Jun 5, 2019 12:44:43 GMT
After another read I just saw one thing I missed: "It can still be relinquished at any time". They're actually agreeing to a situation that is similar to the current one, but without being completly bound by their promise.
I wonder how that would work with the two Annies though, do they both need to give up ownership of Renard, can only one of them have it, or do they both lose it if one of them decides to release him?
The solution where only one Annie can decide to release Renard for them both is the best, so that he doesn't end up as colateral dammage if they follow different paths.
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 5, 2019 12:57:09 GMT
Ok, I understand where Renard is coming from: he's lived for centuries and will (hopefully) live for many more, so spending a few decades under someone's orders should sound more like a curious job than a lifetime of servitude. But Annie being ok with having Renard under her control for the rest of her life, no matter what body he takes? Well, that's just cold! Specially after all that drama with her father and the "I don't deserve to have any power over you" talk. And what's with Saslamel's logic?! How does giving Renard (his "soul", let's call it) to Annie balances her giving up the wolf toy?! My thoughts exactly. There is actually one good reason to keep Renard as a familiar, it was mentionned in another thread that Renard is allowed to stay in the Court only because he belongs and obeys to Annie. But they all jumped straight to the conclusion that Annie owning Renard himself rather than his current body is clear better option than freeing him altogether, without taking any time to consider the consequences. Also the Annies are mortal, but who says their ownership of Renard won't be passed down to their children? That would be the start of a lineage of fire elementals with a fox familiar. The whole comic was just an elaborate pun on firefox all along I understood Clippy saying "It can still be relinquished at any time." (panel 2) as Annie(s) being able to give up the Familiar bond anytime if they so wish. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jun 5, 2019 13:30:27 GMT
Also, I notice that no one has mentioned anything about this new arrangement affecting the jail sentence at all. This is what I've been wondering, too. I don't see how any of this solves the "you used the arrow and must be punished" problem. |
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Post by netherdan on Jun 5, 2019 14:27:45 GMT
Also, I notice that no one has mentioned anything about this new arrangement affecting the jail sentence at all. This is what I've been wondering, too. I don't see how any of this solves the "you used the arrow and must be punished" problem. Kat: So it's settled then? Clippy: Yes, now Arthur can own himself, no problem. Kat: wow, that was easy Clippy: now if you please follow me through Saslamel's mouth to serve your jail time Kat: whaaaaa |
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Post by gpvos on Jun 5, 2019 14:28:18 GMT
But... is the idea then that the contract *will* be re-used, and Arthur will become Juliette's familiar?
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Post by wynne on Jun 5, 2019 15:08:28 GMT
Also, I notice that no one has mentioned anything about this new arrangement affecting the jail sentence at all. This is what I've been wondering, too. I don't see how any of this solves the "you used the arrow and must be punished" problem. Maybe the idea is that by changing Rey & Annie's contract, it retroactively changes what passed through the Arrow? Or changes the contract that's being used to help Arthur? I think we're still in the process of Arthur's transfer, Saved By The Bell style, so maybe there's the possibility that the main infraction hasn't actually happened yet, and the past infraction (using the arrow to copy the contract) can be negated by changing the contract. Or maybe since the contract can only be used by one person at a time, Annie & Rey giving it up means Kat can use it this one time? (idk idk, I've reread this chapter like 3 times and I'm still trying to work the legal frame of reference out) |
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Post by zaferion on Jun 5, 2019 15:29:58 GMT
I think there's a distinction between Annie's current ownership of Renard and Renard as a familiar that's very important. Currently, Annie owns the toy Renard inhabits, meaning she only has ownership of Renard by proxy. If I understand this page right, Annie now has some sort of claim to Renard himself (although we don't know the specifics of what a familiar is/means). If I'm correct, that would mean that, no matter what body Renard jumps to, he and Annie would still be bound--and that includes his old body.
You know, the one that Tom has repeatedly told us is perfectly fine and has been a looming Chekhov's Gun since 2010.
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Post by MarineMonarch on Jun 5, 2019 15:37:15 GMT
Honestly I lost track of the various ownership shenanigans about 10 pages ago. I expect it'll be easier to parse the whole thing once the chapter's further and the characters can tell us which parts of this are relevant to care about. Not that this is really a complaint? I tend to not pay too much attention to legal minutia like this.
Man, I've been re-reading some early parts of the comic, and it's so cool to see Renard come this far. The genuine loving bond between him and Annie is really so sweet, and built up over so long. He's no longer afraid of admitting how much he cares about her. What a cool dude.
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Post by wynne on Jun 5, 2019 15:40:56 GMT
But... is the idea then that the contract *will* be re-used, and Arthur will become Juliette's familiar? I'm kinda reading it as Arthur becomes his own familiar? Or "this advanced robot body becomes Arthur-the-non-robot's property in the same way Renard's toy wolf body is Annie's property." [edit: spelling] |
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