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Post by iver on Apr 1, 2019 13:41:25 GMT
Kind of ironic that the monster's name is Cvet (meaning Flower in many Slavic languages) and that the Annies troubles began with a Loup flower. I doubt that Cvet is a flower monster though, since it was supposed to have a fight with two potentially very angry fire girls. Maybe it was another fire creature? I notice it neither decided to help the girls (or at the very least warn them), nor to come back early to warn Parley about the change of plan. Oh, I didn't mean to imply it was a flower monster - just found the name funny in the given situation. It would be an apt name for a fire creature, though, quite poetic - fire, the red flower; But I'm leaning more towards the fey. Huh, nice catch! |
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Post by DonDueed on Apr 1, 2019 13:42:08 GMT
Maybe Parley has a Rogat Orjak now? I think you are absolutely right. Slavic name and accent, location on a rooftop, on first-name basis with Parley. Fits perfectly.
And my headcanon is: Cvet's a girl. That is to say, a young female Orjak.
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Post by madjack on Apr 1, 2019 13:42:11 GMT
Of course, that assumes that Cvet could observe them without being detected, and was powerful enough to avoid damage from the Annies' fire once the test got going. If this is an Orjak we're talking, I'd assume it'd hide itself the same way the rest of them hid themselves from humanity for all the centuries: Magic. |
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Post by DonDueed on Apr 1, 2019 13:48:44 GMT
Of course, that assumes that Cvet could observe them without being detected, and was powerful enough to avoid damage from the Annies' fire once the test got going. If this is an Orjak we're talking, I'd assume it'd hide itself the same way the rest of them hid themselves from humanity for all the centuries: Magic. Sure. Maybe Orjaks can become invisible, or generally undetectable. I don't recall any mention of those specific abilities but they are known to be able to be unobtrusive. |
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Post by madjack on Apr 1, 2019 13:53:37 GMT
And my headcanon is: Cvet's a girl. That is to say, a young female Orjak. I like this. Not as big as the full grown ones we've seen either (which would explain how she could fit into the bunker?), like Sivo and Thorn's Orjak... But Parley doesn't need to fly on one like the others did because teleport makes it unnecessary. |
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Post by DonDueed on Apr 1, 2019 13:58:24 GMT
And my headcanon is: Cvet's a girl. That is to say, a young female Orjak. I like this. Not as big as the full grown ones we've seen either (which would explain how she could fit into the bunker?), like Sivo and Thorn's Orjak... But Parley doesn't need to fly on one like the others did because teleport makes it unnecessary. Yup. Plus it makes sense that a young Protector would team up with a young Orjak. |
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Post by DonDueed on Apr 1, 2019 14:06:20 GMT
Overall reactions to this page:
1. "Oh sure, April Fools jokes are all fun and games, until somebody turns loose a real Ashray!"
2. Yay! I'm a Full Member! I think I'm getting the hang of this now...
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Post by Eily on Apr 1, 2019 14:54:58 GMT
I doubt that Cvet is a flower monster though, since it was supposed to have a fight with two potentially very angry fire girls. Maybe it was another fire creature? I notice it neither decided to help the girls (or at the very least warn them), nor to come back early to warn Parley about the change of plan. Oh, I didn't mean to imply it was a flower monster - just found the name funny in the given situation. It would be an apt name for a fire creature, though, quite poetic - fire, the red flower; But I'm leaning more towards the fey. Huh, nice catch! There are two words made of 花 (flower) and 火(fire) in Chinese and Japanese 火花 (spark, among other significations) and 花火 (fireworks) Now I'm curious to see what a fireworks demon would look like and could do  |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 1, 2019 14:58:38 GMT
I also first thought that Cvet was Parley's Orjak, or another mighty mythical creature she had bonded with in Eastern Europe.
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Post by fia on Apr 1, 2019 16:00:39 GMT
I too immediately thought it was an Orjak.
I still hope that is true.
But now I am wondering how an Orjak would be able to maneuver underground?
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Post by warrl on Apr 1, 2019 17:04:45 GMT
Maybe Parley has a Rogat Orjak now? Can't remember source, but there was Word of Tom somewhere that said without Sivo, they can't find the Orjaks again, or something along those lines. Edit: Although maybe with Andrew's luck involved..... Edit again: Best I can do, typically vague answer. He says that Eglamore couldn't go look for a replacement. Perhaps the bond is a once-in-your-life thing. If that's the case, we have no reason to doubt that George could go bond with one. Or perhaps the Rogat Orjak regard bonding with one of them as a major crime, and if Eglamore ventures back into their territory he'll be executed. (And after bonding, he had to leave quickly.) This would make sense if their lifespan is much longer than ours but a bonded one dies when its human dies; in that case, deliberately seeking to bond with one would, in a sense, be a slow form of murder. There are, I'm sure, myriad other plausible explanations. These are just the two I thought of first. |
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Post by netherdan on Apr 1, 2019 17:42:54 GMT
And my headcanon is: Cvet's a girl. That is to say, a young female Orjak. I like this. Not as big as the full grown ones we've seen either (which would explain how she could fit into the bunker?), like Sivo and Thorn's Orjak... But Parley doesn't need to fly on one like the others did because teleport makes it unnecessary. You forgot the most important reason one would like to have a giant dragon buddy: Giant Dragon Buddy |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 1, 2019 17:42:55 GMT
I suppose that for Kvet to be suitable to play the menace in this particular plan they'd have to be immune to Antimonys' fire. That suggests something with an association with either fire or water; agreeing to go along with the plan suggests that who/whatever Kvet is, they're not extremely prestigious among mythical beings and being on the roof may mean that Kvet can fly or climb better than a human. Kvet didn't show themselves during the struggle with the ashray in the sewer which may mean that they have an aversion to water environments or water in general where a house wouldn't present a problem. A big creature couldn't fit into the air raid shelter thus wouldn't be suitable. And the dialogue suggests an eastern European origin myth.
I will guess that Kvet is one of those firetail house-elf thingers.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Apr 1, 2019 18:07:54 GMT
Huh. I don't know why the Annies would think that the gang had "created" the MiniLoup message. That's a huge jump in logic there. Or they're just so strung out, they're not sure which end is up anymore.
Wild guess, but I'm thinking "change in plans" was an unplanned, unexpected change in plans. Something like "Before Cvet get to girls, Cvet hear stranger talkink to them. Girls fall through hole in floor. Cvet not fit through hole. Not be knowink what happen next."
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Post by saardvark on Apr 1, 2019 18:17:51 GMT
Cvet is clearly the speaker. The speaker is in on whatever Parley and the others were planning. Cvet was part of the plan. Presumably, Cvet was how they planned on keeping the Annies stuck in the bunk for a long time, when everyone knew that courtnie could cut her way out of a steel box without too much difficulty. So, then, what is Cvet? She is not the ashray. If she was, there would have been no change of plan, since the ashray pretty much worked perfectly, and Parley/Kat wouldn't be shocked by the mention of an Ashray. She is probably very large, given the perspective in the last panel. She would presumably be able to safely keep the Annies restrained. Courtnie doesn't know who Cvet is, since she seems to think here that Parley is referring to the Ashray. She addresses Parley first, indicating that she sees Parley as the one in charge here. (she doesn't address Kat first, so she's not a robot.) She is likely Slavic. My guess is that this is some kinda giant magical dragon creature, although not necessarily an Orjak. Hmmm, but it does make sense for Cvet to be an Orjak, since the Orjaks are an European dragon species originally found in Slovenia, that are intelligent and can speak: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=58Eglamore paid his last respects to Sivo, in Slovenian (Slavic language!): www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=56 |
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Post by King Mir on Apr 1, 2019 22:26:07 GMT
hmm, Russian at least (a Slavic language) lacks articles, just like the rooftop speaker. Can a Cvet talk (and it is on the roof, but met Monky and they decided to swap places as a joke)? I cant think of anyone else Slavic in the comic, other than Gamma, and she doesnt speak English... Well, to be fair, most (if not all) Slavic languages lack articles and Russian for flower is "cvetok" (tzvyetok, if anyone was curious).... But yeah, now that you've said it, it is very likely that the person/creature/thing on the roof is indeed Cvet (tzvet) - and that Cvet happens to be on Loup's side. The name is Cvet, not Czvet, which actually translates from Russian to "Light". Czvet or Tzvet would be "color". Now I don't know any other slavic languages, so I guess Czvet is indeed flower in some of them, including Slovenian. ('Cz' and 'Tz' are pronounced like the zz in pizza, and have their own letter in the Cyrillic alphabet. 'C' I'm pronouncing like s, and this makes sense because in the Russian letter that looks like 'c' is always pronounced as s.) The name does suggest that Cvet is either white or brightly colored. And Slavic. And female. |
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Post by csj on Apr 2, 2019 4:25:17 GMT
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Post by hnau on Apr 2, 2019 8:01:54 GMT
Well, to be fair, most (if not all) Slavic languages lack articles and Russian for flower is "cvetok" (tzvyetok, if anyone was curious).... But yeah, now that you've said it, it is very likely that the person/creature/thing on the roof is indeed Cvet (tzvet) - and that Cvet happens to be on Loup's side. The name is Cvet, not Czvet, which actually translates from Russian to "Light". Czvet or Tzvet would be "color". Now I don't know any other slavic languages, so I guess Czvet is indeed flower in some of them, including Slovenian. ('Cz' and 'Tz' are pronounced like the zz in pizza, and have their own letter in the Cyrillic alphabet. 'C' I'm pronouncing like s, and this makes sense because in the Russian letter that looks like 'c' is always pronounced as s.) The name does suggest that Cvet is either white or brightly colored. And Slavic. And female. Cvetka. Derived from Slovene cvet meaning "blossom, flower". Masculine form: Cvetko. Source: Behind the Name |
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Post by Corvo on Apr 2, 2019 14:50:04 GMT
The name is Cvet, not Czvet, which actually translates from Russian to "Light". Czvet or Tzvet would be "color". Now I don't know any other slavic languages, so I guess Czvet is indeed flower in some of them, including Slovenian. ('Cz' and 'Tz' are pronounced like the zz in pizza, and have their own letter in the Cyrillic alphabet. 'C' I'm pronouncing like s, and this makes sense because in the Russian letter that looks like 'c' is always pronounced as s.) The name does suggest that Cvet is either white or brightly colored. And Slavic. And female. Cvetka. Derived from Slovene cvet meaning "blossom, flower". Masculine form: Cvetko. Source: Behind the Name |
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Post by ohthatone on Apr 2, 2019 15:54:07 GMT
I am also thinking Cvet is Parley's Orjak, my only hang up is unless the thing is young/very small, it would be pretty hard for it to shadow the Annies in an open space. Which is completely plausible. Guess it all depends on how much was pre-planned by Kat.
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 2, 2019 16:43:54 GMT
Not as planned! Not as planned! Maybe Parley has a Rogat Orjak now? That's the obvious conclusion. Of course, this still is Gunnerkrigg… |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 19:02:46 GMT
'C' I'm pronouncing like s, and this makes sense because in the Russian letter that looks like 'c' is always pronounced as s.) You might be "Pyccian" yourself, but the common transliteration for ц is 'c' (e: 'ts' when the reader only speaks English and can't be expected to care about formalities). I've never seen 'c' for the lunar sigma (equivalent). If that's not convincing, the last named orjak, if this is one, spoke Slovene, which is written in Latin letters with 'c' corresponding to Russian ц. |
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