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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Mar 16, 2019 16:08:37 GMT
I'm rather surprised Jack is getting so many votes myself, as I'd personally consider him a definite non-starter. Save for when she first met him and maybe for a bit during the Torn Sea incident, all of Annie's interactions with him have not been the greatest to say the least. I've always figured the "colors" coming off of Annie were flames of annoyance and/or a burning desire for vengeance upon Jack, not any kind of attraction. And when she mentions him as a potential boy of interest in AitF, damn if she could not sound less interested, and she obviously only picked him as a default "best of the meh". But what do I know? I picked Jones, and the only real clue we have there takes place in a metaphor-heavy coma dream. Jack always felt like compulsory heterosexuality to me. The kind of thing where Annie felt like she was supposed to be interested in him because of societal archetypes but it was obvious she actually wasn't. The mechanical way she asked Jack if he wanted to kiss, and the look on their faces said it all. Annie looked half-dying, Jack's expression was so "Oh wow, you're just on autopilot right now, huh?" Given the fact that Jack was notably maturing in that chapter (and that showing Annie's flaws and more immature attributes was the subtext of the chapter), I feel confident taking his view of the situation there at face-value. Well, I'm a bit biased because I'm a shipper, but I did read some interest in Jack into Annie's story. I agree with the above quotes that when Annie mentioned Jack to the Anwyn, it was largely because she was struggling to think of a guy she liked, Jack seemed okay, and she was still getting over Kamlen. But the "playing hard to get" thing and Faraway Morning chapter complicates things. I think it's meant to be very ambiguous as to what exactly Annie was doing. Was she honestly getting revenge? Playing hard to get? A mixture of the two? Did she know what she was doing, or how she felt about Jack? I did interpret her averting her eyes as she asked for a kiss as genuine interest coupled with shyness, and Jack's expression as sympathy because she's expressing interest in him, but he doesn't currently return her interest. He also turns up in her subconscious, saying he's in love with Zimmy, with mask!Annie calling her a deranged psychopath, which could be interpreted as some form of jealousy. Keep in mind that Annie's been raised by an emotionally distant father and had to suppress her grief for her mother for much of her childhood and adolescence.. because of that, I think her ability to reach out and connect with other people or acknowledge her interest in connections with others, (besides Kat), is a little stunted. In other words, I think the situation with Jack is meant to be confusing and ambiguous. But I do think that Annie is at least somewhat attracted to him. I also think that he's been able to get her to open up in a way that not a lot of people sans maybe Kat or the Donlans have. That's why I would like to see the relationship develop. I also don't know about the compulsory heterosexuality thing...Annie was pretty clearly attracted to Kamlen and that one fish boy who was trying to look good. I think the randomly choosing Jack thing was more like trying to not look like she was hung up on Kamlen or just in general trying to socialize with the Anwyn. For what it's worth, I voted for Mr. Donlan, because I didn't think having a crush on a fellow student at the court would elicit such an embarrassed reaction from the Annies in the same way as, say, having a crush on your best friend's dad would. Still crossing my fingers for Jack/Annie to go somewhere though. 🤞
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Post by bedinsis on Mar 16, 2019 16:41:04 GMT
For what it's worth, I voted for Mr. Donlan, because I didn't think having a crush on a fellow student at the court would elicit such an embarrassed reaction from the Annies in the same way as, say, having a crush on your best friend's dad would. Calling Andrew very handsome was enough to make her blush.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 16, 2019 23:18:58 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's not Jack, so what this poll has taught me is that the forum has no idea what's next! I'm rather surprised Jack is getting so many votes myself, as I'd personally consider him a definite non-starter. Save for when she first met him and maybe for a bit during the Torn Sea incident, all of Annie's interactions with him have not been the greatest to say the least. I've always figured the "colors" coming off of Annie were flames of annoyance and/or a burning desire for vengeance upon Jack, not any kind of attraction. And when she mentions him as a potential boy of interest in AitF, damn if she could not sound less interested, and she obviously only picked him as a default "best of the meh". But what do I know? I picked Jones, and the only real clue we have there takes place in a metaphor-heavy coma dream. Well I thought of when Annie was on her way to the cruise ship and saw Jack with Jenny. The way she immediately became stiff and formal seemed like a hint of jealousy to me at the time (could have also been that she simply did not want to see Jack, with our without the Zimmy/Boxbot crossover in his arm).
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Post by speedwell on Mar 17, 2019 13:05:24 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 17, 2019 13:43:38 GMT
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Post by avurai on Mar 17, 2019 15:35:38 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 17, 2019 15:50:50 GMT
Couldn't tell if they were joking or not so decided to make links. That first reference was more than 1,400 comics back so someone will probably benefit from it.
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Post by keef on Mar 17, 2019 21:12:42 GMT
I think it's going to be Jack, but I really wish it is Renard, because come on, the guy deserves some love! I mean: Girl shows interest in you, you fall in love with her, she leads you on, and because of that you get tricked into killing your friend, is labelled a demon, hunted and imprisoned for more than ten years in inhumane conditions. When one day you finally manage to escape (because they were not letting you go anytime soon) just so you can see the night sky again, you find out not only the girl you love has married some guy and had a child, but she's dead too. Then you get trapped under the control of someone who makes you think of that girl at every instant. After a while you discover this girl you loved and caused all this never liked you in the first place, she was tricking you because it was her job. And yet, you acknowledge all that and keep loving that girl. You feel a deep sorrow for the things you've done and tried to do, you never blame anyone, you're understanding and helpful to people around you, and even befriend the jailer who mistreated you for so long. If this guy doesn't deserve to have a happy ending with a loved one (anyone!), then I don't know who does. Amen!
(But, no, I agree with @dameofdiamonds , cursed herring/red teapot.)
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Post by ditchboyus on Mar 18, 2019 8:01:20 GMT
I voted for Jack. When the Anwyn girls pressed her on naming a boy she was interested in, it seems she chose Jack not because she felt particularly interested in him, but he was the only boy she could think of you could be a possibility at all. Still, as a result of her crush on Kamlen, she was now, perhaps for the first time, interested in the idea of romance, and was willing to try a little flirtation with Jack. As part of that she tried the playing hard to get ruse the Anwyn suggested, but did it very badly and it backfired. But I think the whole thing left her somewhat confused - maybe she started to feel something for Jack during that interaction, but she didn't really know what. I think Jack appearing in her dream in "Divine" reflects that. Her attempt to avoid Jack at the beginning of Chapter 49 suggests that she has some kind of strong feeling about Jack. Based on their interactions in Chapters 34 and 49, Jack seems to be the one character who continually has Annie off-balance. So I've always figured that if Annie were to have a romance in the comic (and I'm not convinced she will), it would either be with Jack or a character that hasn't been introduced yet.
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Post by ruthie on Mar 18, 2019 12:51:46 GMT
I voted for Jones - very unavailable; who even knows how inappropriate? We've seen the strip from the coma dream. But I think in learning about Jones wrt emotions, Antimony felt an affinity! These 2 pages (https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1125 & www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1126) have a lot of focus on hands and eye contact is all I'm saying... I'm half joking and half want it to be true. As further evidence I would have crushed on Jones as a teenager too. Plus the first time she saw her, Annie noticed her straight away: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=267
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Post by strangebloke1 on Mar 18, 2019 19:09:24 GMT
I voted for Jones - very unavailable; who even knows how inappropriate? We've seen the strip from the coma dream. But I think in learning about Jones wrt emotions, Antimony felt an affinity! These 2 pages (https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1125 & www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1126) have a lot of focus on hands and eye contact is all I'm saying... I'm half joking and half want it to be true. As further evidence I would have crushed on Jones as a teenager too. Plus the first time she saw her, Annie noticed her straight away: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=267The issue with Jones is that she's not just viewed by Annie as beautiful, she is very nearly beauty personified. Her character is drawn in a more detailed manner than nearly anyone else in the series. So yes, the camera lingers on her hair and eyes and all that, but that doesn't mean much of anything. It's clear that Eglamore, for example, also finds her incredibly beautiful. I would believe Annie having lust for Jones, liking her, and respecting the hell out of her all at once, but I do not see her as having a crush on Jones. That the crush is shameful/embarrassing is the key point here. Crushing on Jones isn't going to be shameful/embarrassing. Who would be embarrassed by that? She's fricking gorgeous! It's like crushing on the Jonas Brothers or Taylor Swift or something, except even moreso since she's the next best thing to an actual godess. Even if they're someone you see regularly and even if they're older than you of course you're going to crush on them. If Kat or Jack or someone found out that Annie was crushing on Jones, the reaction would be something like... well, obviously. If Jones found out she'd just nod and explain that this frequently happens. How shameful is that? Like even if you're straight, its fricking Jones. She's gorgeous. Donlan is definitely the more sensible option here. There's the shame, of course, of crushing on your best friend's dad, but there's also the idea that Donlan is her dad's best friend. That can't be overstated. Annie has a lot of baggage regarding her mother and father, and the idea that she'd latch onto her father's best friend in more ways than one is easily believable. Like father like daughter, aye? Jack is also a possibility. She can't bring it up because it brings back that VERY cringey interaction they had at the party a few months back. As evidence of this, I'll point to how genuinely hurt she was that Jack was just playing along with her ruse and wasn't really into her. Yes, they have a pretty messed up relationship, but that's... kind of the point. People develop crushes for stupid reasons, and "He turned me down flat" is honestly a pretty classic reason to want someone. People always want what they can't have. I could believe Eggers as well. Even if she hates him, there's the connection with her mom, and Eglamore is a hunk. And of course, its very shameful, especially because he's a guy she doesn't like. The crush on Kamlen was a short-lived thing, and she wasn't that embarrassed by it when it came up earlier. Ultimately I voted for Mr. Donlan though because there's evidence for it, and because I get the feeling that we as a cast are way more interested in Jack than Tom is. I mean, Jack's had less screentime than Eggers or Donlan or Winsbury. He's simply not that important a character. He's one of my favorites, because he always keeps people on the back foot, but I don't get the feeling that Tom really is fond of bringing him back. Part of that may just be Tom's long and colored relationship with shipping, and that Jack is probably the most concrete piece of shipping material other than Paz/Kat.
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Post by jda on Mar 18, 2019 19:18:54 GMT
Well, given that there are pop culture references and contamination, it could very well be a singer, actor or even a boys band,like how years ago every other teenager was crushing after Justin B,
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Post by strangebloke1 on Mar 18, 2019 19:38:43 GMT
Well, given that there are pop culture references and contamination, it could very well be a singer, actor or even a boys band,like how years ago every other teenager was crushing after Justin B, But Annie's answer to 'what is your favorite song' was not a boy band song, so I find this unlikely. She's not familiar with pop culture at all. And having a crush on a celebrity is never really that embarrassing, unless you've made disliking that sort of celebrity a major part of your identity. Someone deeply into indie music having a massive crush on Justin B, for example, or a cinema snob having a crush on Michael Bay. Since pop culture isn't a big deal to her, this seems extremely unlikely.
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Post by bedinsis on Mar 18, 2019 20:17:58 GMT
I voted for Kamlen. Mostly because when he was brought up to Kat she didn't mention that she had had a crush on him. Why she kept it hidden I don't know, but thinking it embarrassing would suffice as a reason. Part of that may just be Tom's long and colored relationship with shipping[...] What?
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Post by ditchboyus on Mar 18, 2019 20:36:46 GMT
I mean, Jack's had less screentime than Eggers or Donlan or Winsbury. Jack's on 120 pages, Winsbury 97, Donald also 97. Eglamore's well ahead of him, appearing on 164 pages, but then Eglamore was introduced in Chapter 3 and Jack didn't show up until Chapter 19.
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Post by strangebloke1 on Mar 18, 2019 20:43:00 GMT
I voted for Kamlen. Mostly because when he was brought up to Kat she didn't mention that she had had a crush on him. Why she kept it hidden I don't know, but thinking it embarrassing would suffice as a reason. Part of that may just be Tom's long and colored relationship with shipping[...] What? Oh, he just likes to ribb the shippers in his page commentary. For a while he was regularly posting things like WinsburyXAnnie?? With every update. One of these comments had a link to a blank webpage that just contained the text "More like ShutXup" Like I said, mostly just goodhumored ribbing. I mean, Jack's had less screentime than Eggers or Donlan or Winsbury. Jack's on 120 pages, Winsbury 97, Donald also 97. Eglamore's well ahead of him, appearing on 164 pages, but then Eglamore was introduced in Chapter 3 and Jack didn't show up until Chapter 19.
Interesting. I guess that shows my biases. I just want to see more of the guy!
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Post by Darkfeather21 on Mar 18, 2019 21:32:50 GMT
Other: All of the above.
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 19, 2019 7:29:01 GMT
I can't BELIEVE everyone forgot about Becky GroundxAnnie, my favorite ship ever.
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Post by keef on Mar 19, 2019 9:00:36 GMT
I can't BELIEVE everyone forgot about Becky GroundxAnnie, my favorite ship ever. Sure, although they're not in the same year anymore.
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Post by coastal on Mar 19, 2019 12:05:40 GMT
... ... Ultimately I voted for Mr. Donlan though because there's evidence for it, and because I get the feeling that we as a cast are way more interested in Jack than Tom is. I mean, Jack's had less screentime than Eggers or Donlan or Winsbury. He's simply not that important a character. He's one of my favorites, because he always keeps people on the back foot, but I don't get the feeling that Tom really is fond of bringing him back. Part of that may just be Tom's long and colored relationship with shipping, and that Jack is probably the most concrete piece of shipping material other than Paz/Kat. I really, really agree with your overall analysis. Jack has been an interesting character, but stuff that happened in "The Torn Sea" seemed to be kind of wrapping up the whole "Jack situation". I'm just curious, though, what more evidence you find for Mr. Donlan than for, say, Eglamore. I would say Mr. Donlan is in the right demographic (an adult, a friend of her parents), but I would pick Eglamore or Renard before Mr. Donlan. *Edit*: I realized that I have a theory about her relationship with Mr. Donlan which, if correct, would most likely preclude her from having a crush on him.
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Post by strangebloke1 on Mar 19, 2019 17:13:20 GMT
... ... Ultimately I voted for Mr. Donlan though because there's evidence for it, and because I get the feeling that we as a cast are way more interested in Jack than Tom is. I mean, Jack's had less screentime than Eggers or Donlan or Winsbury. He's simply not that important a character. He's one of my favorites, because he always keeps people on the back foot, but I don't get the feeling that Tom really is fond of bringing him back. Part of that may just be Tom's long and colored relationship with shipping, and that Jack is probably the most concrete piece of shipping material other than Paz/Kat. I really, really agree with your overall analysis. Jack has been an interesting character, but stuff that happened in "The Torn Sea" seemed to be kind of wrapping up the whole "Jack situation". I'm just curious, though, what more evidence you find for Mr. Donlan than for, say, Eglamore. I would say Mr. Donlan is in the right demographic (an adult, a friend of her parents), but I would pick Eglamore or Renard before Mr. Donlan. *Edit*: I realized that I have a theory about her relationship with Mr. Donlan which, if correct, would most likely preclude her from having a crush on him.
Well, the argument basically goes: He's someone close to her father. -> She wants to be close to her father. -> She wants to be like Mr. Donlan. -> Wanting to be like someone is very similar to having a crush. Eglamore is beefier, but then too, Annie doesn't really seem to be into beefcakes. Andrew certainly isn't one, and neither is Kamlen. The way he tries to act as her dad pisses her off. The fact that he hates her dad also pushes him away. Renard is a stuffed animal. Annie sleeps in the same room as him. I can't see her sleeping in the same room as her crush every night without exploding from sheer awkward. They seem to have settled not into a father-daughter relationship, but more of a brother-sister relationship. (pup is a teasing younger brother. wolf is a wise older brother.) Their manners are far too easy between them, there's no sexual or romantic tension between them at all. As to 'evidence': It all comes back to "Microsat 5" She is really embarrassed by a failure to be cool around him, she refuses to take his gallantly offered hand, has some pretty good banter with him, has a profound admiration for him, and when spending time with him, thinks about time with her dad. Most critically, though, she blushes like crazy when he pays her a compliment
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Post by jda on Mar 20, 2019 6:13:04 GMT
Well, the voters have voted, so, either Jack is the promised beau, or the shippers will Fanfic.
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Post by coastal on Mar 20, 2019 10:51:23 GMT
I really, really agree with your overall analysis. Jack has been an interesting character, but stuff that happened in "The Torn Sea" seemed to be kind of wrapping up the whole "Jack situation". I'm just curious, though, what more evidence you find for Mr. Donlan than for, say, Eglamore. I would say Mr. Donlan is in the right demographic (an adult, a friend of her parents), but I would pick Eglamore or Renard before Mr. Donlan. *Edit*: I realized that I have a theory about her relationship with Mr. Donlan which, if correct, would most likely preclude her from having a crush on him.
Well, the argument basically goes: He's someone close to her father. -> She wants to be close to her father. -> She wants to be like Mr. Donlan. -> Wanting to be like someone is very similar to having a crush. ...As to 'evidence': It all comes back to "Microsat 5" She is really embarrassed by a failure to be cool around him, she refuses to take his gallantly offered hand, has some pretty good banter with him, has a profound admiration for him, and when spending time with him, thinks about time with her dad. Most critically, though, she blushes like crazy when he pays her a compliment
Okay, see, my interpretation follows your argument quite closely but re-interprets it using one keyword: "dad". From the very first time Annie met Mr. Donlan, he's appeared as a dad-figure in every way. (Throughout Annie's time at the court, Mr. & Mrs. Donlan both have been the main parental substitutes for Annie.) Even more than this, Mr. Donlan is the standard of dad-ness by which Tony is measured and found lacking; due to which, Mr. Donlan has acted as a dad-mediator -- both in "Microsat 5", and in "Sneak" and "Annie and the Fire". Annie's reaction at the end of "Microsat 5", should, I think, be taken both in this wider context, and in reaction to what Mr. Donlan just said -- that he appreciates her as her own person (not as a copy of her mother) and appreciates her relationship with his daughter. Both of these things point to a healthier parent-child relationship than the one she has with Tony. So, I would say that Annie's feeling toward Mr. Donlan may be something equivalent to a crush, but not a romantic crush -- a "dad-crush", if you will.
I'm sorry, but I can't remember where we've seen Eglamore trying to act like her dad, or that him hating her dad pushes her away? They have definitely had their disagreements, but nothing that I can tell would prevent Annie from crushing on him... more like things that to me suggest that she doesn't want him to see her as a child. And there are a lot of things about Eglamore besides his physique that are romantically interesting -- such as his mysterious relationship with Jones, or his actions in "The Great Secret" and similar events, his role as protector of the court, and so forth.
Heh, Renard isn't a stuffed animal, he's a wolf-stuffed animal-fox XD ...I think your description of their relationship as the wise older brother and the young pup really hit the nail on the head.
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Post by faiiry on Mar 20, 2019 12:31:43 GMT
Rather than guessing who it is, I'm more inclined to shrug and say it doesn't matter. It's probably just a cute moment between the two Annies, not some major plot point that will be brought up again. Although I readily admit I could be wrong.
In any case, I personally hope it's not an adult, because that's kind of uncomfortable. I especially hope it's not someone like Donlan or Eglamore who are like father figures to Annie, because that's *deeply* uncomfortable. At least for me personally. Renard and Ys even being on the list is... to say the least, pretty awkward. I should hope they're not within the realm of possibility, because those ARE father figures, indisputably, not to mention the whole bestiality aspect. In a perfect world, said crush is another student.
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Post by strangebloke1 on Mar 20, 2019 16:18:18 GMT
Okay, see, my interpretation follows your argument quite closely but re-interprets it using one keyword: "dad". From the very first time Annie met Mr. Donlan, he's appeared as a dad-figure in every way. (Throughout Annie's time at the court, Mr. & Mrs. Donlan both have been the main parental substitutes for Annie.) Even more than this, Mr. Donlan is the standard of dad-ness by which Tony is measured and found lacking; due to which, Mr. Donlan has acted as a dad-mediator -- both in "Microsat 5", and in "Sneak" and "Annie and the Fire". Annie's reaction at the end of "Microsat 5", should, I think, be taken both in this wider context, and in reaction to what Mr. Donlan just said -- that he appreciates her as her own person (not as a copy of her mother) and appreciates her relationship with his daughter. Both of these things point to a healthier parent-child relationship than the one she has with Tony. So, I would say that Annie's feeling toward Mr. Donlan may be something equivalent to a crush, but not a romantic crush -- a "dad-crush", if you will.
I'm sorry, but I can't remember where we've seen Eglamore trying to act like her dad, or that him hating her dad pushes her away? They have definitely had their disagreements, but nothing that I can tell would prevent Annie from crushing on him... more like things that to me suggest that she doesn't want him to see her as a child. And there are a lot of things about Eglamore besides his physique that are romantically interesting -- such as his mysterious relationship with Jones, or his actions in "The Great Secret" and similar events, his role as protector of the court, and so forth.
Heh, Renard isn't a stuffed animal, he's a wolf-stuffed animal-fox XD ...I think your description of their relationship as the wise older brother and the young pup really hit the nail on the head.
So, three points. First, the line between father figure and romantic crush is more thin for many people than you'd expect. There's a strong correlation between the kind of person your opposite-sex parent is, and the kind of person you end up being romantically interested in. So I'd say, sure, he's a dad-crush, in a sense, but that doesn't preclude it being romantic. Well, not really romantic because its very very much never happening and she's super embarrassed about it. But hey, when you're fifteen, your heart is an idiot. Eglamore's attitude isn't one that Annie naturally will like. Probably the earliest example of this would be how he literally sees her as Surma reborn. Remember this panel? This was back when Annie was still stoic all the time, but we now know that she doesn't like being seen as her mother. Here's an example of him seeing himself as Annie's father, even if she didn't realize it at the time. Then too, he's by far the most vocal of Anthony's critics, and Annie doesn't like people railing against her father. And then two, neither of the guys (Kamlen, Andrew, and sorta Jack) that she's been interested in were big guys. I guess I ultimately just don't see any evidence for it beyond "He's a big attractive dude." Like, why wasn't she blushing like crazy when he touched down after saving her from Ysengrin? Agreed with Renard.
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Post by zaferion on Mar 20, 2019 16:28:09 GMT
Based on that "Boys I Know" page from Annie in the Forest, here are my thoughts: - William: This was already resolved in that bowling chapter.
- Jack: Annie threw out Jack's name on the next panel because they had that whole hullabaloo before, but that was definitely not an admission of a crush.
- Eglamore: Eglamore.
- Mort: Gone into the aether. Also, 6 years old.
- Robot: Annie almost certainly wouldn't consider any robot, capital R or no, prime boyfriend material.
- Shadow: Annie has a mother-son relationship with Shadow.
- Renard: The only one on the original, in-comic list that I think there could even be the possibility of Annie crushing on, but it still doesn't seem very likely since Renard and Annie seem to have a mentor-mentee relationship going on.
- Kamlen: There's a good chance that Annie is still crushing on Kamlen, but then why would Annie not want to admit it? She's admitted before (in a roundabout way) that she liked him so it doesn't make sense that she would suddenly be averse to saying it out loud.
- Smitty: Courtnie just said his name in the same page so I doubt that they'd be too embarrassed to say his name later. A crush on Smitty seems like it would be scandalous more than embarrassing.
There are two options: it's a boy we haven't met yet or it's a girl we already know. The boys I know panel seems like the standard Siddellâ„¢ brand misdirection we get from this comic; get us focused on one thing while sneakily omitting the truth. Personally, I think it might be a girl, but that's pretty much just wildspec from me. So all of this to say I have no idea.
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Post by ohthatone on Mar 20, 2019 17:00:40 GMT
Okay, see, my interpretation follows your argument quite closely but re-interprets it using one keyword: "dad". From the very first time Annie met Mr. Donlan, he's appeared as a dad-figure in every way. (Throughout Annie's time at the court, Mr. & Mrs. Donlan both have been the main parental substitutes for Annie.) Even more than this, Mr. Donlan is the standard of dad-ness by which Tony is measured and found lacking; due to which, Mr. Donlan has acted as a dad-mediator -- both in "Microsat 5", and in "Sneak" and "Annie and the Fire". Annie's reaction at the end of "Microsat 5", should, I think, be taken both in this wider context, and in reaction to what Mr. Donlan just said -- that he appreciates her as her own person (not as a copy of her mother) and appreciates her relationship with his daughter. Both of these things point to a healthier parent-child relationship than the one she has with Tony. So, I would say that Annie's feeling toward Mr. Donlan may be something equivalent to a crush, but not a romantic crush -- a "dad-crush", if you will.
I'm sorry, but I can't remember where we've seen Eglamore trying to act like her dad, or that him hating her dad pushes her away? They have definitely had their disagreements, but nothing that I can tell would prevent Annie from crushing on him... more like things that to me suggest that she doesn't want him to see her as a child. And there are a lot of things about Eglamore besides his physique that are romantically interesting -- such as his mysterious relationship with Jones, or his actions in "The Great Secret" and similar events, his role as protector of the court, and so forth.
Heh, Renard isn't a stuffed animal, he's a wolf-stuffed animal-fox XD ...I think your description of their relationship as the wise older brother and the young pup really hit the nail on the head.
So, three points. First, the line between father figure and romantic crush is more thin for many people than you'd expect. There's a strong correlation between the kind of person your opposite-sex parent is, and the kind of person you end up being romantically interested in. So I'd say, sure, he's a dad-crush, in a sense, but that doesn't preclude it being romantic. Well, not really romantic because its very very much never happening and she's super embarrassed about it. But hey, when you're fifteen, your heart is an idiot. Eglamore's attitude isn't one that Annie naturally will like. Probably the earliest example of this would be how he literally sees her as Surma reborn. Remember this panel? This was back when Annie was still stoic all the time, but we now know that she doesn't like being seen as her mother. Here's an example of him seeing himself as Annie's father, even if she didn't realize it at the time. Then too, he's by far the most vocal of Anthony's critics, and Annie doesn't like people railing against her father. And then two, neither of the guys (Kamlen, Andrew, and sorta Jack) that she's been interested in were big guys. I guess I ultimately just don't see any evidence for it beyond "He's a big attractive dude." Like, why wasn't she blushing like crazy when he touched down after saving her from Ysengrin? Agreed with Renard. Evidence of Jimmy Jims being dad-like here, here and definitely here(actually I can think of quite a few instances), though I really use "dad-like" loosely here. More like he's doing his job as a protector, even though he has these complicated feelings towards her. But I can see how Annie might interpret them as fatherly given her experience and wouldn't appreciate the gestures, so I don't think he's the crush. At the same time, crushes can develop at anytime, and we all know about the body guard crush trope, so iunno. As far as looks go, finding a type attractive doesn't have to exclude another type from being a crush.
I think Annie admitting she has a crush of any kind is what's causing the embarrassment more than who it is.
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Post by saardvark on Mar 20, 2019 17:18:54 GMT
Based on that "Boys I Know" page from Annie in the Forest, here are my thoughts: - Jack: Annie threw out Jack's name on the next panel because they had that whole hullabaloo before, but that was definitely not an admission of a crush.
- Kamlen: There's a good chance that Annie is still crushing on Kamlen, but then why would Annie not want to admit it? She's admitted before (in a roundabout way) that she liked him so it doesn't make sense that she would suddenly be averse to saying it out loud.
There are two options: it's a boy we haven't met yet or it's a girl we already know. The boys I know panel seems like the standard Siddellâ„¢ brand misdirection we get from this comic; get us focused on one thing while sneakily omitting the truth. Personally, I think it might be a girl, but that's pretty much just wildspec from me. So all of this to say I have no idea. Jack: There was the discomfort at seeing him again in Torn Sea.... tho you are probably right. I think she did crush on him a bit at one point, perhaps gone now. Kamlen: Hmm, well, now still crushing on him would be a bit taboo, since he has a steady girlfriend. That might lead to the embarrassment(?)... I dunno.. a boy we havent met seems unlikely, but a girl we know seems quite possible. ditto your last thought!
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Post by somebunny on Mar 22, 2019 7:54:56 GMT
That the crush is shameful/embarrassing is the key point here. Crushing on Jones isn't going to be shameful/embarrassing. Who would be embarrassed by that? She's fricking gorgeous! It's like crushing on the Jonas Brothers or Taylor Swift or something, except even moreso since she's the next best thing to an actual godess. Even if they're someone you see regularly and even if they're older than you of course you're going to crush on them. If Kat or Jack or someone found out that Annie was crushing on Jones, the reaction would be something like... well, obviously. If Jones found out she'd just nod and explain that this frequently happens. How shameful is that? You really can't see anything shameful/embarrassing at all about being attracted to a billions-of-years-old non-human? Especially when they present as an adult and you are a kid? I can't imagine anyone, much less the person having the crush, completely and utterly brushing all of that off just because she looks pretty. Even if one doesn't know Jones' true nature, it's still homosexual (which is mostly not accepted everywhere) and adult+kid (which is mostly not accepted anywhere).
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Post by strangebloke1 on Mar 22, 2019 13:38:21 GMT
That the crush is shameful/embarrassing is the key point here. Crushing on Jones isn't going to be shameful/embarrassing. Who would be embarrassed by that? She's fricking gorgeous! It's like crushing on the Jonas Brothers or Taylor Swift or something, except even moreso since she's the next best thing to an actual godess. Even if they're someone you see regularly and even if they're older than you of course you're going to crush on them. If Kat or Jack or someone found out that Annie was crushing on Jones, the reaction would be something like... well, obviously. If Jones found out she'd just nod and explain that this frequently happens. How shameful is that? You really can't see anything shameful/embarrassing at all about being attracted to a billions-of-years-old non-human? Especially when they present as an adult and you are a kid? I can't imagine anyone, much less the person having the crush, completely and utterly brushing all of that off just because she looks pretty. Even if one doesn't know Jones' true nature, it's still homosexual (which is mostly not accepted everywhere) and adult+kid (which is mostly not accepted anywhere). This needs restating: Annie is not beholden to conventional social mores. The homosexual thing isn't even a blip on her radar. Not even a tiny blip. Kat made a joke about dating a girl "if she was really hot" when they were really young, and for years Annie just assumed from then on that Kat was bi, without ever bringing it up. Not as a joke, not as a problem, not.... anything. That's the extent to which she cares about that. Moving onto the age gap... that's rather the point, isn't it? She's incredibly distant and alien. Sure, she does actually love humans and spend time with them, but in many ways she is more inhuman than Ysengrin or Reynard or Coyote. That inhuman beauty doesn't do anything to prevent lust. Judging from the dream, I'd guess that Annie has some attraction to her (and by itself, this doesn't make her a lesbian/bi. Like I said, its Jones) but lust and a crush are two very different things. As to the adult thing... once again its like with the Jonas brothers, or with a fictional character. She's so unreachable that its hard to be embarrassed by it. Ultimately, meh. My point was that the only evidence for the Jone crush is a metaphor heavy dream that implied lust, nothing more.
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