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Post by jda on Mar 13, 2019 19:42:49 GMT
I am [she] as you are [she] as you are me and we are all together. I really like F!Annie's face in the 6th panel. I am the Monky, you are the Fakey, I am Coyote! |
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Post by jda on Mar 13, 2019 20:06:22 GMT
Well, my 2 cents and 5 minutes of psychology studies tell me that this is a perfect state for Annie to shrink herself if only she could be aware of it:
The Inner Child technique helps you "confront" your Inner Child (i.e. younger Annie: sensitive, frail, without external resources) with your Adult (i.e. Courtnie, serious, damaged, your 'Real' public face). I wish, but I don't see how it could be done masterfully on comic), that Annie could analyze her responses, mother issues and beliefs. Maybe making peace with herself could a way for both Annies to unite/dissolve/fuse.
That would be a way to DEAL WITH HER, Her being Surma or Annie.
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Post by DonDueed on Mar 13, 2019 20:09:35 GMT
I am [she] as you are [she] as you are me and we are all together. I really like F!Annie's face in the 6th panel. I am the Monky, you are the Fakey, I am Coyote! Loo-loup Garou! |
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 13, 2019 21:11:01 GMT
If I were in Annie's position, the next page would be ten panels of both mes saying "What?!" repeatedly through hysterical, incredulous laughter. Although, admittedly, Annie has seen a lot more weird stuff than I have. I really like F!Annie's face in the 6th panel. I like her expression, but the way her face is drawn doesn't look right, like the foreshortening came out wrong. Maybe it's something to do with her nose. |
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Post by Corvo on Mar 13, 2019 22:00:23 GMT
That's exactly what she wants you to believe, Annie! Possibly because it may be true! And I don't know which Annie I'm talking to!
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Post by netherdan on Mar 13, 2019 23:31:01 GMT
That's exactly what she wants you to believe, Annie! Possibly because it may be true! And I don't know which Annie I'm talking to! I use Antimony for the one who has the Antimony necklace and Annie for the one we've been calling Annie since the split while we still didn't know about it. Been doing this after awkwardly tripping through different names to call them and none of them feeling right. |
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 14, 2019 5:15:00 GMT
Now this quote is warrented: 
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Post by madjack on Mar 14, 2019 6:31:20 GMT
Now this quote is warrented:  |
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Post by warrl on Mar 14, 2019 6:34:21 GMT
I'm trying to figure out how the split and six-month delay make sense. After all, from F!Annie's perspective it was only a couple hours, so she could have been back six months sooner, without having to convince the Court that she's real, and gotten started on retrieving Coyote's gifts. Loup directly slowed her down, and then made the job more difficult - does he really want it done?
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Post by fjodorii on Mar 14, 2019 8:40:17 GMT
I'm trying to figure out how the split and six-month delay make sense. After all, from F!Annie's perspective it was only a couple hours, so she could have been back six months sooner, without having to convince the Court that she's real, and gotten started on retrieving Coyote's gifts. Loup directly slowed her down, and then made the job more difficult - does he really want it done? Maybe this is where Loup got a piece of Annie he could use to shape the copy with? |
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Post by todd on Mar 14, 2019 12:55:22 GMT
I'm trying to figure out how the split and six-month delay make sense. After all, from F!Annie's perspective it was only a couple hours, so she could have been back six months sooner, without having to convince the Court that she's real, and gotten started on retrieving Coyote's gifts. Loup directly slowed her down, and then made the job more difficult - does he really want it done? If the job doesn't get done, or gets delayed long enough, he has an excuse to attack the Court on the charge that Annie didn't carry out her part of the agreement. (Of course, since they know that he's responsible for the time lapse, it might be a shaky justification, but Loup would probably take a tone of "Details, details.") And he wants to destroy the Court anyway, because of what he said about its experiments jeopardizing the Forest. On the other hand, Loup's not as stable as Coyote, and this could all be a sign of his playing at being a trickster without having a true understanding of it. Perhaps we shouldn't overthink the six month element. The real point of all this, judging from the evidence, is to have Annie understand her weaknesses and failings better by being confronted with herself. The xis months gap was a crucial part of that (giving the short-haired Annie six months to work on repairing her relationship with Antony that she sees as jeopardized by her counterpart's arrival, while the long-haired Annie has lost six months with her circle at the Court). Loup's action may be simply Tom's plot device for setting this up. (And note that this chapter and the one preceding it have devoted far more attention to the interactions between the two Annies than to Loup's demand for Coyote's gifts - which suggests that the former is far more important to the story.) |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 14, 2019 14:03:40 GMT
Building on jda's excellent idea on the last page's thread ([2120], page 2), it seems like Loup has split Annie in a way that the two halves have slightly different aspects of original-Annie's personality: Courtnie has the more fiery, aggressive, confident, assertive, fearless, bold, angry, harsher side of Annie (arising perhaps from her fire-elemental character) while Frannie/Sylvie has more introverted, thoughtful, cautious, empathetic, self critical side (arising from the human side, Tony especially). Perhaps this odd twinning is a secret boon, allowing Annie to better understand herself, and eventually better able to integrate both aspects of her character into a positive, productive whole (if she reunites) or to work together effectively and grow to love both sides of herself and see how both are integral and important (if she remains as twins). Very much this. Courtnie owning up to her behavior is pretty mature of her. It's generally hard to see yourself as the villain in any situation, let alone when being that way to "yourself". Makes me wonder, if the Court has an etheric/AI mirror for "self psychoanalysis". I would hope they don't use a robot psychotherapist. Outside of CBT, I'm uncertain if that would be interesting to see, or sadly hilarious.
While all that's happening here is all well and good, there's this part of my brain that can't stop wondering how long they have before Parley starts looking for them... Right. And with Andrew's help, she should be able to find them quickly...
I'm trying to figure out how the split and six-month delay make sense. After all, from F!Annie's perspective it was only a couple hours, so she could have been back six months sooner, without having to convince the Court that she's real, and gotten started on retrieving Coyote's gifts. Loup directly slowed her down, and then made the job more difficult - does he really want it done? Maybe this is where Loup got a piece of Annie he could use to shape the copy with? This is a very common theory...which I do not buy. At this point they had been in the time-stopped forest for quite some time already, so in the Court weeks or even months had passed already. Also, Loup said he played his trick "for their privacy", which strongly suggests he did it before speaking with Annie (probably after he noticed the Court was looking for her). Had he created Courtney only when he held Annie's "crown", he would have had to send her back in time to make her arrive earlier, altering the past...and if Loup was able to do this, he would just take the bone and water from the past...so... |
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 14, 2019 20:31:41 GMT
Now this quote is warrented: Just take the damn like button and go. |
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Post by todd on Mar 15, 2019 0:33:36 GMT
I'm trying to figure out how the split and six-month delay make sense. After all, from F!Annie's perspective it was only a couple hours, so she could have been back six months sooner, without having to convince the Court that she's real, and gotten started on retrieving Coyote's gifts. Loup directly slowed her down, and then made the job more difficult - does he really want it done? Maybe this is where Loup got a piece of Annie he could use to shape the copy with? The original question was "why", not "when" or "how". |
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Post by fjodorii on Mar 15, 2019 8:26:47 GMT
This is a very common theory...which I do not buy. At this point they had been in the time-stopped forest for quite some time already, so in the Court weeks or even months had passed already. Also, Loup said he played his trick "for their privacy", which strongly suggests he did it before speaking with Annie (probably after he noticed the Court was looking for her). Had he created Courtney only when he held Annie's "crown", he would have had to send her back in time to make her arrive earlier, altering the past...and if Loup was able to do this, he would just take the bone and water from the past...so... True, but on the other hand, if time has stopped in the Forest (and only there), there is no real notion of 'going back in time': you just move in that one frozen moment and we don't know how that interacts with the outside world. Going back to fetch the bone and water would not work because Loup didn't stop time at that moment so he has no 'access' to that moment.
In the Gunnerverse, who knows what works, and how! :-)
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Post by stevencloser on Mar 15, 2019 11:30:14 GMT
Oh, so one of them is a Persona, mystery solved.
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