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Post by netherdan on Feb 22, 2019 19:25:42 GMT
 Indicators of bioluminescence: - Faint glowing on the walls;
- Very bright near where Monky is;
- Monky's body is obviously brighter than the rest of the water;
- The water is too shallow to be that blue;
- The friggin underground sealed bunker has few to no lighting spots but is in daylight brightness
I didn't find any other display of shallow water in daylight brightness but I did find realistic representation of water colors along some pages
Indicators against bioluminescence:
- It's generally too weak to produce daylight brightness;
- Annies would be blinded if the "water" was that bright.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 22, 2019 23:08:23 GMT
Loup looks how he is supposed to, down to every hair. Even if both Annies told Kat (or anyone else) how Loup looked, they would not be able to recreate him perfectly to that extent. I won't deny it but I will add that there are twisty work-arounds available that can keep the theory afloat. They might not need to replicate "Loup" or what he says if the illusion is psychic since both Antimonies know what he looks like and the representation only needs to be one of their minds. Ayilu used to live in the Wood so she probably knows what Coyote and Ysengrin looked like, so with Courtnie's description could probably get a good enough idea to create an illusion of him. My (probably wrong) guess about this whole simulation question: There is a simulation created by Kat et al. to make them work together. However, the Annies are missing it entirely, because it's taking place upstairs in the room Parley originally dropped them off in. They won't even find out about it until after they get back to the rest of the gang (who will believe themselves to be responsible for the Annies' learning to accept each other). They were able to get downstairs from the original room pretty easily. Kat's simulation or friendship trust exercise or escape room or whatever might have included the second floor with all of the pipes and stuff. It was only when MiniLoup broke into the simulation that things started getting really dangerous - they dropped down into the third floor. It may help us figure out what's going on if we focus on what Kat is trying to accomplish. She has an interest in running tests but they are probably brief and undetectable so if they were being conducted they are probably already over. She has an interest in the Antimonies getting along better, but I doubt she would make anything dangerous happen or try to force them to be besties. She would probably be satisfied with the twins being civil with each other. "Nothing dangerous" means she wouldn't engineer an encounter with a real monster even if she was extremely confident that the Antimonies could handle themselves in a fight. Kat may have an interest in getting one or both of the twins to reveal themselves if a doppelganger or shape-shifter but she probably has the ability to run tests with her computer system that can accomplish the same. Kat should also know via Courtnie that they both passed the Renard test and should be able to intuit that both Antimonies think they're Antimony so a scenario (real or fake) where a creature would be tricked into revealing itself just wouldn't work. So my best guess is that Courtnie went and vented to Kat after the clothes incident and suggested a (pointless and spiteful) plan about trapping Fannie somewhere for tests/observation where she'd be separated from Anthony in the hope that Fannie would reveal herself as a fake. Kat decided to modify the plan to include Courtnie because having Courtnie and Antimony's friends do that to Fannie would be cruel and unfair; having them both stuck somewhere for an hour would probably be enough to force them to be civil without putting a great deal of pressure on them that could lead to an actual fight. So, I don't think a simulation would have been appropriate and I think the message and creature are probably real. |
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Post by todd on Feb 23, 2019 0:23:47 GMT
It's possible that the truth behind what's going on here will be something completely unexpected. How many of us guessed that the real goal of Coyote's big scheme was to experience death, and was only involved with the conflict between the Court and the Forest because that supplied Coyote with a useful means of achieving that goal?
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Post by Rasselas on Feb 23, 2019 1:21:14 GMT
I don't think there was any need for a simulation, just a big walled-off room for the two Annies to talk and reconcile. If they were to make a simulation, I doubt they would've included Loup and his threats. It would've been something neutral, just forest monsters maybe, not Loup himself. I think taking it at face value makes the most sense. Simulation ideas complicate it without adding significant improvement to story. Simpler feels better here. Edit: oh, oh, I don't know if anyone has theorized this yet. I kept wondering if the monster Loup sent is impervious to fire, like Ysengrin foreshadowed. Well okay, since it's made of water that's pretty obvious. |
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Post by todd on Feb 23, 2019 3:38:39 GMT
I still do not believe that they are both real, especially since Loup so casually knew there were two. I still think that they'd both have to be real, since both were able to command Reynardine. |
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Post by jda on Feb 23, 2019 6:00:31 GMT
My (probably wrong) guess about this whole simulation question: There is a simulation created by Kat et al. to make them work together. However, the Annies are missing it entirely, because it's taking place upstairs in the room Parley originally dropped them off in. They won't even find out about it until after they get back to the rest of the gang (who will believe themselves to be responsible for the Annies' learning to accept each other). Probably wrong, like 99% of what we all post here, but I have not thought about that possibility. Thank you. Well, yes, Courtnie witches around like a princess, but now she is going to be a decisive factor in escaping, with LaserWhip(TM) |
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Post by DonDueed on Feb 23, 2019 13:23:04 GMT
I still do not believe that they are both real, especially since Loup so casually knew there were two. I still think that they'd both have to be real, since both were able to command Reynardine. They each gave a command. Rey did what they commanded. But that's not definitive, since Rey could have obeyed the command if he wanted to, whether compelled or not.
Of course, that would mean that he was somehow complicit with the fake Annie, and we have no evidence for that (and no motive that I can think of).
A better test would have been for each Annie to give a command, which the other Annie then countermanded. It would be a lot harder to spoof that test, since Rey would have still been compelled to obey the real Annie even when the fake Annie reversed the command.
Even without that test, though, it's pretty likely that both Annies are real since it's pretty hard to think of a reason that Rey would cover for a fake Annie.
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Post by DonDueed on Feb 23, 2019 13:30:00 GMT
"Nothing dangerous" means she wouldn't engineer an encounter with a real monster even if she was extremely confident that the Antimonies could handle themselves in a fight. Well, I can think of one possible scenario, but it's unlikely. Let's say Monky is an ally (Bud's or Leslie's cousin, perhaps) and Kat asked him (her?) to stage an attack on the Annies as part of the test. The risk to Monky is low, since his watery nature would surely protect him from elemental fire long enough to turn fin and run away.
Hey, no offense, just covering all the bases here...
Come to think of it, Monky hasn't been very aggressive in pursuing the Annies. They're practically right around the corner, and they did nothing to injure him, so why did he give up the chase? Is he just a big softie or something?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 23, 2019 14:33:17 GMT
"Nothing dangerous" means she wouldn't engineer an encounter with a real monster even if she was extremely confident that the Antimonies could handle themselves in a fight. Well, I can think of one possible scenario, but it's unlikely. Let's say Monky is an ally (Bud's or Leslie's cousin, perhaps) and Kat asked him (her?) to stage an attack on the Annies as part of the test. The risk to Monky is low, since his watery nature would surely protect him from elemental fire long enough to turn fin and run away. No offense taken, and I think despite the terrain being somewhat in his favor Monky would be in serious trouble facing two fire elemental primary protagonists fighting seriously if he was going easy on them. He has lots of water to attack with but can't dive to dodge or escape like he could in open water. If Courtnie was in on it, and could trip up Fannie if she was getting too serious, it would be less dangerous for Monky... but that would defeat the purpose of getting the twins to fight together so they could be civil to each other. Come to think of it, Monky hasn't been very aggressive in pursuing the Annies. They're practically right around the corner, and they did nothing to injure him, so why did he give up the chase? Is he just a big softie or something? My current operating theory is that the quick collapse of the bunker floor/tunnel roof began a chain of events that led to confusion and maybe a minor injury for Monky; see here for a previous post where I try to generate a blow-by-blow explanation for what appears in the comic. But yeah, if this were a set-up or illusion or whatever the creature's actions could be more easily explained. That said, a surprise encounter sliding sideways into a clusterfuck is something that does happen even when there isn't an invasion going on. |
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Post by fia on Feb 23, 2019 16:09:36 GMT
Sometimes complaining can be a sign of security. If you don't feel loved you might belittle yourself and never feel like anything about you is important.
I mean, complaining can also be a sign of pettiness or resentment. Probably Courtney has a bit of both this and the former; I think she cares about the things she owns and when Frannie showed up she got defensive, as we saw. Having to share half her clothes and then soon after getting her dress ruined may not be the most fun for her. Tom has always implied Annie was a little selfish?
There are other explanations available, of course. But it seems plausible to me that it's an emotional thing for Courtney. For Frannie, on the other hand, this remains a continuation of what has been a very intense story subplot taking place over about a week or two. Probably she is still prepared, like many of us, to be told this is all an illusion. But I don't think it is anymore?
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Post by Eve Swann on Feb 23, 2019 17:33:07 GMT
I still do not believe that they are both real, especially since Loup so casually knew there were two. I still think that they'd both have to be real, since both were able to command Reynardine. Imagine Tom was playing a double bluff and neither of them are real? Say maybe Loup's holding the real Annie in the woods and these two are copies of her. So many possibilities. I'm really enjoying this mystery.  |
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Post by warrl on Feb 23, 2019 17:40:51 GMT
I still think that they'd both have to be real, since both were able to command Reynardine. They each gave a command. Rey did what they commanded. But that's not definitive, since Rey could have obeyed the command if he wanted to, whether compelled or not. Of course, that would mean that he was somehow complicit with the fake Annie, and we have no evidence for that (and no motive that I can think of). Motive for obeying a fake Annie's command in that situation: to not let the fake Annie know she's been exposed as a fake. (However, in that event he should be eager to go tell somebody about it.) |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 23, 2019 20:10:47 GMT
I still do not believe that they are both real, especially since Loup so casually knew there were two. I still think that they'd both have to be real, since both were able to command Reynardine. Unless, of course, Rey is also fake. |
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Feb 24, 2019 0:11:32 GMT
I still do not believe that they are both real, especially since Loup so casually knew there were two. I still think that they'd both have to be real, since both were able to command Reynardine. Reynardine's power comes from Coyote, which is now part of Loup. It seems to me that Loup could make a spoof that has some vestige of Coyote-power that could compel a reaction. Courtnie is just acting too overtly strange for me to swallow that they are both real until we've had a few more chapters. I'm not convinced that Courtnie is the fake however. |
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Post by blazingstar on Feb 25, 2019 5:58:22 GMT
I've seen a few people here note the strange jelly-water sticking to the walls and the ends of both Annies' hair, but I haven't seen anyone else point out something else strange: when Forest!Annie (although I DO find the nicknames Fannie / Frannie hilarious) turns her flames on, the jelly-water disappears. In the next panel, it is gone from both F!Annie's hair and the tree roots she is working on, where it was previously. The jelly-water can still be seen in Court!Annie's hair.
We know that Annie's hair, especially the ends, are EXTREMELY significant symbols of her powers. Was the jelly-water impeding F!Annie's powers somehow? Will C!Annie find that she's equally as stumped (excuse the pun!) at removing the invasive tree roots?
Find out on the next episode of Gunnerkrigg Court
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 25, 2019 6:21:33 GMT
I've seen a few people here note the strange jelly-water sticking to the walls and the ends of both Annies' hair, but I haven't seen anyone else point out something else strange: when Forest!Annie (although I DO find the nicknames Fannie / Frannie hilarious) turns her flames on, the jelly-water disappears. In the next panel, it is gone from both F!Annie's hair and the tree roots she is working on, where it was previously. The jelly-water can still be seen in Court!Annie's hair. We know that Annie's hair, especially the ends, are EXTREMELY significant symbols of her powers. Was the jelly-water impeding F!Annie's powers somehow? Will C!Annie find that she's equally as stumped (excuse the pun!) at removing the invasive tree roots? Find out on the next episode of Gunnerkrigg CourtHm, and Forest!Annie's shirt is suddenly dry, too. It's clear at a minimum that her use of fire caused water to evaporate; whether there's anything special about the glowy-water remains to be seen. |
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