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Post by jda on Feb 7, 2019 6:18:00 GMT
A "flooding escape room" team-building exercise? If that's the case, Kat's taken this a little to far. i literally had this same thought Oh no no no, this is a friend (maybe Robot, or Shadow) who is risking Kat(?) detection, to infiltrate and warn Annies about some impending danger that Kat didn't took into account. A la Robbie, |
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Post by madjack on Feb 7, 2019 6:28:44 GMT
Forest shadow men or tree roots travelling through the pipes makes the most sense given what we know, I think.
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Post by penguinguy on Feb 7, 2019 6:29:59 GMT
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 7, 2019 11:00:30 GMT
Forest shadow men or tree roots travelling through the pipes makes the most sense given what we know, I think. it's in the Court at all. |
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Post by Eily on Feb 7, 2019 13:56:24 GMT
I would expect her to make sure Annie iscared for by someone else than Tony. Like she made sure to actually tell Annie why she was dying and that Annie herself had the same condition? ...I would not expect too much from Surma. Yes I guess there's some truth to what you say. Also now that I think of it, Surma herself was the reason Annie didn't know anyone at the court beyond her father, because she was too proud to let her friends see her get sick. But still, there is a big difference between not being able to talk about her own death (and basically tell her daughter she is part of the reason for it), and being fine with your child's father being uncaring at best. Forest shadow men or tree roots travelling through the pipes makes the most sense given what we know, I think. it's in the Court at all. If not the Court where? Your post did make me think this could be an Earth in peril kind of situation, which might explain why Annie's friends are taking this so lightly. Very smart idea on their behalf if that's the case, Annie is famously good at this game, so having two of her means twice the punchline! |
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Post by Trillium on Feb 7, 2019 14:17:49 GMT
Forest shadow men or tree roots travelling through the pipes makes the most sense given what we know, I think. it's in the Court at all. Whatever it is they are momentarily united in annoyance. |
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Post by tulicloure on Feb 7, 2019 14:57:22 GMT
the difference between forest Annie's round nose and chin and court Annie's pointy nose and chin are incredibly pronounced in panels 4 and 6. I think those panels are at different angles. The "camera" for panel 4 is slightly behind F!Annie (see shoulder), while panel 6 is a perfect profile. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Feb 7, 2019 17:22:05 GMT
The medium thing might be a good test and maybe an activity the Antimonies could do together. But I will be a little disappointed if Kat hasn't converted the whole bunker facility into a giant Antimony-verifying machine. See, I'm beginning to think while this is a major topic on the forum, the comic/characters have kinda moved on. Minus Paz, I'm not confident anyone is suspicious of either Annie being fake at this point. If it takes the characters less than a day to get over the fact that there's suddenly an inexplicable clone of one of their long-time friends, then they've got major problems beyond just Annie. Like that's just cynical: "Oh, look, this person with magical powers whom we've grown up with over several years suddenly has a doppelgänger. How quaint." ...Then again, I guess they have all been to Zimmingham before... |
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Post by todd on Feb 8, 2019 0:14:30 GMT
If it takes the characters less than a day to get over the fact that there's suddenly an inexplicable clone of one of their long-time friends, then they've got major problems beyond just Annie. Like that's just cynical: "Oh, look, this person with magical powers whom we've grown up with over several years suddenly has a doppelgänger. How quaint." Tom probably didn't want to hold up the story with a lot of pages of the characters just reeling from the revelation. (And it is indeed possible that they've been desensitized by all the weird things they've seen at the Court.) |
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 8, 2019 0:50:07 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 8, 2019 14:56:18 GMT
If it takes the characters less than a day to get over the fact that there's suddenly an inexplicable clone of one of their long-time friends, then they've got major problems beyond just Annie. Like that's just cynical: "Oh, look, this person with magical powers whom we've grown up with over several years suddenly has a doppelgänger. How quaint." Tom probably didn't want to hold up the story with a lot of pages of the characters just reeling from the revelation. (And it is indeed possible that they've been desensitized by all the weird things they've seen at the Court.) I was about to say the same thing. "Faraway Morning and three short Tales" made it pretty clear that weird, mystical and magical stuff happens regularly to everyone at the Court, not just Kat and Annie (and we do not even know everything just the to of them have encountered - I am still waiting to see that cursed teapot one day). Stuff like a doppelgänger should not be any more ordinary than other things each of them has encountered. Maybe they will not say "Must be Tuesday.", but I guess it deserves at best a Thursday.
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 9, 2019 15:00:11 GMT
Could be anywhere. As long as it's a place Parley knew (found on her own or was introduced to, at any time, in any way). A lot of this would be the Court and surrounding area, but not all. |
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Post by speedwell on Feb 10, 2019 11:19:59 GMT
Could be anywhere. As long as it's a place Parley knew (found on her own or was introduced to, at any time, in any way). A lot of this would be the Court and surrounding area, but not all. Just wanted to point out that there is no evidence in the comic of any requirement that teleporters must, or Parley specifically must, have visited or seen or known about the place before going there. It's a common enough idea in literature in general, but I've actually been looking for it and haven't found it. |
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Post by warrl on Feb 10, 2019 22:37:51 GMT
Just wanted to point out that there is no evidence in the comic of any requirement that teleporters must, or Parley specifically must, have visited or seen or known about the place before going there. It's a common enough idea in literature in general, but I've actually been looking for it and haven't found it. It's a very sensible requirement, and not all that hard to work around for most places - except underground. Parley presumably isn't going to teleport to a point a hundred feet underground if she doesn't at least know there's a chamber there to teleport into. After all, she has a certain fondness for breathing, and in most places a hundred feet underground there's rather a shortage of air. Plus the whole "two things in one place" issue. Come to think of it, if she tried to teleport into solid rock, odds are she would instead teleport to the nearest void big enough to hold her - which may be the surface above the solid rock - or simply fail to teleport. |
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Post by speedwell on Feb 10, 2019 23:44:00 GMT
That's just it. There is no evidence of any such constraint. We're just presuming there is. |
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Post by warrl on Feb 11, 2019 0:16:07 GMT
That's just it. There is no evidence of any such constraint. We're just presuming there is. One word taken out of its context and you assume it applied to a different context. You're free to construct a rational argument on why Parley would teleport herself and Annies underground without knowing that there's a chamber for them to be in. Unless there's a good one, we have to assume that in this case she was previously aware of that chamber. Which assumption is further augmented by her being aware that the doors are locked from outside. I can easily see how she could teleport herself to an unfamiliar location IF she knows just where it is and that there's a space there for her to land in, with air for her to breathe - and this would allow her to teleport to within easy walking distance of almost anywhere above ground. ("What's the latitude and longitude of that town? Okay, I'm now 500 feet above it and falling, and hey that looks like a good rooftop to teleport to.") But how much would she need to know about where I live before she could teleport directly into my bedroom closet? (Ignoring range issues and conservation-of-momentum issues*.) How much would she need to know about a point three miles southeast of my place and at the same altitude, to know whether she can safely and successfully teleport there? (It's inside a mountain, too far inside to be someone's basement, and afaik there are no caves or tunnels.) Does her teleport come with a lookahead so she can see if it's safe before actually doing it? Does it come with a safety interlock, and if so, what does that interlock do - shift the destination, or block the teleport, or what? * Conservation-of-momentum issues: relative to the fixed point in space that I current occupy, the Court is moving - taking only the rotation of the planet into account - west and downward, approximately 30 degrees below the horizontal which is plenty to put something in the ground, at a speed of approximately 1100 MPH or about Mach 1.6. If she were to teleport directly from there to here and that is NOT dealt with, there would be some serious consequences... the closet would not survive, Parley would probably not survive, the building may not survive. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 1:10:47 GMT
is important. Glad you agree. ;) There is at least some kind of delay to her teleport, because Jeanne could see her "fore-image" projected onto the destination. Whether this projection is Parley's conscious choice and whether she can still cancel her side-B at that point seems, indeed, unknown. Somewhat plausible explanation for Parley willfully teleporting into underground areas she has never seen (if that's the case; I doubt it too): she intuitively (gifted psychic father and all that) has the same, if not superior geolocating accuracy as the Omega Device (or whatever broke that branch in Brazil) and was tossed the coordinates by Kat (nerves of steel are a given) -- after all, conservation of momentum has never been an issue to her. Far-fetched explanation: Short-haired Annie had already entered this bunker during the "missing months", and Kat somehow has access to this information through whatever her computer can do (presuming that Annie is a user, and Kat somewhat unscrupulous about this). |
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 11, 2019 5:23:04 GMT
Could be anywhere. As long as it's a place Parley knew (found on her own or was introduced to, at any time, in any way). A lot of this would be the Court and surrounding area, but not all. Just wanted to point out that there is no evidence in the comic of any requirement that teleporters must, or Parley specifically must, have visited or seen or known about the place before going there. It's a common enough idea in literature in general, but I've actually been looking for it and haven't found it. Hold on a dang minute. I just KNOW there was some place Parley talked about this exact thing...ah here we go. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=967Alright, so it's not exactly conclusive evidence, but the way she emphasizes "I don't know the area" implies that knowing about where exactly she teleports is important for her powers, and "Smitty will make sure we get there" makes it sound like she's pretty much teleporting at random while Smitty rigs the result. That's why I always assumed that she has to know about the place she's teleporting, or else she's just teleporting to a random place. Although, now that I think about it, there is one problem with this theory: the (not really)famous "bam" scenario. In the original scene (bam!), and in Smitty's hypothetical description (bam!?), it kind of looks like Parley is teleporting straight to Smitty's side, even though she doesn't know exactly where she is. So maybe she doesn't need to know all the details, just something about the place she's teleporting to? That changes things a lot... Then again, maybe she is teleporting with the specific location in mind, and Smitty just happens to be there pointing to her. So basically, I think there is evidence that she has to visualize where she's teleporting, but that's not really conclusive, and it may or may not be contradicted by something else. I, um, hope that helps. |
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Post by speedwell on Feb 11, 2019 11:34:24 GMT
Just wanted to point out that there is no evidence in the comic of any requirement that teleporters must, or Parley specifically must, have visited or seen or known about the place before going there. It's a common enough idea in literature in general, but I've actually been looking for it and haven't found it. Hold on a dang minute. I just KNOW there was some place Parley talked about this exact thing...ah here we go. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=967Alright, so it's not exactly conclusive evidence, but the way she emphasizes "I don't know the area" implies that knowing about where exactly she teleports is important for her powers, and "Smitty will make sure we get there" makes it sound like she's pretty much teleporting at random while Smitty rigs the result. That's why I always assumed that she has to know about the place she's teleporting, or else she's just teleporting to a random place. Although, now that I think about it, there is one problem with this theory: the (not really)famous "bam" scenario. In the original scene (bam!), and in Smitty's hypothetical description (bam!?), it kind of looks like Parley is teleporting straight to Smitty's side, even though she doesn't know exactly where she is. So maybe she doesn't need to know all the details, just something about the place she's teleporting to? That changes things a lot... Then again, maybe she is teleporting with the specific location in mind, and Smitty just happens to be there pointing to her. So basically, I think there is evidence that she has to visualize where she's teleporting, but that's not really conclusive, and it may or may not be contradicted by something else. I, um, hope that helps. Yes, it does help. Well spotted. I missed that. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 11, 2019 13:28:08 GMT
I am not sure what the point of your discussion is, actually.  I mean, the gang prepared this scenario, why should all important people involved not have checked out the location before? |
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 11, 2019 18:18:47 GMT
Just wanted to point out that there is no evidence in the comic of any requirement that teleporters must, or Parley specifically must, have visited or seen or known about the place before going there. It's a common enough idea in literature in general, but I've actually been looking for it and haven't found it. It's common because it makes sense. In that a place not seen or otherwise "pointed at" (in Parley's case, by presence of someone she knows, like Smitface) is not defined. That is, you can say "I want to be at Emerald Brickhouse", but those are just words, not a point in space. What is Emerald Brickhouse? Perhaps in a magical system based on natural noosphere (like Ether in Gunnerkrigg'verse) it may be enough that some people at some point used this name for some place... but do these words really point at one and only one thing? How would anyone even be sure of that? Thus any interaction with it would involve something interpreting the request first. |
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I mean, the gang prepared this scenario, why should all important people involved not have checked out the location before?