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Post by Polyhymnia on Feb 4, 2019 17:38:03 GMT
Pft!Annie looks remarkable similar to Annie in the middle of Fire Spike, so I'm going to go with ignorant cruelty (granted she's not been cruel, per se, just not welcoming) masking insecurity. |
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Post by Eve Swann on Feb 4, 2019 18:49:17 GMT
Courtnie has now unironically "pft"'d more than once in the span of a few minutes. I now very much hate her. Kick her ass, Frannie, and take your place as Top Annie! I'm getting Lost Light flashbacks. If the robots start doing it, I'm out!  <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.279999999999973px; height: 2.9000000000000057px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63753590" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="2.9000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 2.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1300px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54616844" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="2.9000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 2.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 86px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25583543" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="2.9000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 27.28px; height: 2.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1300px; top: 86px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_76229626" scrolling="no" width="27.279999999999973" height="2.9000000000000057"></iframe> |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Feb 4, 2019 19:00:46 GMT
BoxBot is coming.
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Post by autumnn on Feb 4, 2019 19:15:44 GMT
"But the fire elemental spoke as she would, without love of words or impostors, and her language was actually more degraded and filthy than I have shown it. I do not suppose any will wish for a closer rendering, though models are easy to find."
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 4, 2019 19:24:29 GMT
After a lot of reflection I think Fannie's question to Courtnie in panel #4 is purely rhetorical. It has no bearing on what Fannie thinks the Antimonies there for; after getting an offer at cooperation (in panel #3) tossed back in her face with a "pft" Fannie just restructured the offer into an insult. Since when is "witch" an insult in Annie's ears? Or did she decide at the last moment to swap out the "b" for a "w", just in case the other Annie is actually also her, and she does not want to speak so harshly to herself? Pretty sure she means "bitch" but either doesn't want to call a possible other-self one or the comic's language limiter kicked in. And I do sympathize; nearly any "sick burn" that either Antimony could unleash on the other would result in mutually-assured destruction. |
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Post by Lizuka on Feb 4, 2019 21:26:23 GMT
To be honest something about the way this scene is laid out is just making me think of Virtue's Last Reward. I think it's the setting, it's very reminiscent of the part in the cells there.
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Post by csj on Feb 4, 2019 22:45:24 GMT
Pft!Annie looks remarkable similar to Annie in the middle of Fire Spike, so I'm going to go with ignorant cruelty (granted she's not been cruel, per se, just not welcoming) masking insecurity. I know which Annie this chapter reminds me of |
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Post by bgb16999 on Feb 4, 2019 23:40:05 GMT
Courtnie has now unironically "pft"'d more than once in the span of a few minutes. I now very much hate her. Kick her ass, Frannie, and take your place as Top Annie! The real danger is that saying “pft” too many times can cause you to turn into Red. |
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Post by todd on Feb 4, 2019 23:56:14 GMT
"But the fire elemental spoke as she would, without love of words or impostors, and her language was actually more degraded and filthy than I have shown it. I do not suppose any will wish for a closer rendering, though models are easy to find." I salute you for your reference. Annie really might have meant "witch" by the way; it's got its own negative connotations without needing to evoke a certain other word that rhymes with it. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 4, 2019 23:58:13 GMT
Courtnie has now unironically "pft"'d more than once in the span of a few minutes. I now very much hate her. Kick her ass, Frannie, and take your place as Top Annie! The real danger is that saying “pft” too many times can cause you to turn into Red. All this time, Courtnie's been summoning Red. Prepare the sacrifice; the Scornful One approaches. [adjusts tinfoil tricorn] |
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 5, 2019 1:13:25 GMT
Witch Annie? Whatchu gonna do when the final destination of the underground is... A rap battle??!?!? Oh yes. Oh very much yes. [commences writing lyrics] |
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Post by Kuraimizu on Feb 5, 2019 1:56:59 GMT
okay, it's been a while.
So we have Court-Antimony or Court-Annie / Courtannie
who 6 month ago was lied to about Ysengrin still being alive,
and has spent the last 6 months living in the ruins of the Court helping people.
and we have Forest-Antimony or Forest-Annie / Frannie / Fannie
who 6 months ago had her time line diverted, her body held in medical stasis,
while her mind/soul experienced a few hours stretched over 6 months,
as she was introduced to Loup, the fusion of Coyote, and Ysengrin, minus a few of coyote's powers and memories.
Forest-Annie being the younger of the Two, and being the Time clone.
Tests were done, proving that Reynardine is owned by both versions of Antimony
proving they are indeed the same person.
Backed up by Reynardine admitting that this would easily be possible by both Coyote and Loup.
What I don't understand is Courtannie's reaction to gaining a new younger identical twin sister.
Frannie seems to be just as confused as myself. especially given the hostility Courtannie and Paz are displaying.
If I was in Courtannie's position and had clear evidence such as Reynardine's ownership,
I would gladly welcome my younger Twin Sibling into the family.
Though then again Annie isn't versed enough in temporal and quantum probability
to understand what has happened. Kat on the other hand is.
so it makes sense that she'd force both versions of annie to work together.
Also given that Parley can teleport almost anywhere, as long as she knows the location or has Smitty nearby
it's very stupid of Courtannie to assume they are in a safe zone while in an abandoned sealed bunker.
obviously Kat wouldn't put Annie in an extremely dangerous situation, but she does know Annie can handle low to medium danger
and given Annie's skill at making friends with non humans, she'll be fine.
but only if Courtannie works together with Frannie, and teaches Frannie some of her new fire elemental skills.
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Post by jda on Feb 5, 2019 6:59:20 GMT
This situation reminds me the Prisoner dillema, with two identical prisoners.
Why Annie is a Witch with Annie?
Because Annie has always been too.insecure of her own role.
You struggle for 6 months in a war ravaged land, with war ravaged Dad relationship, and then...
Remember that it isn't as if you suddenly have a younger sibling, but a YOU. And if you acknowledge her, basically the "legal" consequence is.not to Share ( as in a new sibling case, where the structure rearranges to acomodate,you acquire a new Status "OlderSister" that can give clothes as a gift to new new Inferior being)
But to CEDE, to GIVE UP your friends. Roles, your very social existence, your possessions.
This was obviously what happened on the sitcom scene of intended clothes sharing: they both wanted the same things, for exactly the same reason: each one OWNED the clothes.
What advantages could be achieved by simply dissapearing?
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Post by avurai on Feb 5, 2019 7:26:04 GMT
It’s important to note that Courtnnie has spent six months finally in a positive relationship with her father. Having another Annie present not only takes away Courtnnie’s exclusivity with Tony, it also means less time for them to interact one-on-one. Which means less time for Tony to not be awkward around her.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 5, 2019 10:48:15 GMT
Antimony was not in good graces with the Court before she went to talk to Ysengrin to get him to stop his attack. It was probably believed by everyone (including Courtnie) that by doing so Antimony saved many lives and perhaps even prevented them from having to abandon the Court altogether. And that was something her father had faith she could do and believed only she could do it. Just by appearing Fannie changed Courtnie's relationship with her father and probably everyone else she knew; with a few words Fannie undid the Antimony-saved-the-Court narrative to such an extent that Courtnie apparently didn't even know the name of the entity she talked to. Fannie called Courtnie a fake but so far hasn't proved it; she has successfully (and unintentionally) outed Antimony as a fraud. Of course, a new junior sibling suddenly appearing on the scene and ruining everything is a common refrain and can mess people up even when it happens naturally. Back in college I had the misfortune of dating the second youngest of four sisters for a couple months... |
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Feb 5, 2019 15:24:33 GMT
Is the dialogue from Courtnie strange, or is it just me? I am becoming more and more convinced of a simulacrum.
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 5, 2019 16:05:53 GMT
Antimony was not in good graces with the Court before she went to talk to Ysengrin to get him to stop his attack. It was probably believed by everyone (including Courtnie) that by doing so Antimony saved many lives and perhaps even prevented them from having to abandon the Court altogether. And that was something her father had faith she could do and believed only she could do it. Just by appearing Fannie changed Courtnie's relationship with her father and probably everyone else she knew; with a few words Fannie undid the Antimony-saved-the-Court narrative to such an extent that Courtnie apparently didn't even know the name of the entity she talked to. Frannie called Courtnie a fake but so far hasn't proved it; she has successfully (and unintentionally) outed Antimony as a fraud. Of course, a new junior sibling suddenly appearing on the scene and ruining everything is a common refrain and can mess people up even when it happens naturally. Back in college I had the misfortune of dating the second youngest of four sisters for a couple months...I hadn't considered the "Antimony-saved-the-Court narrative". It seems very plausible. Paz's private warning still seems odd, though. More than being over-protective. Like there was some event in the last six months, the audience is unaware of. I'm guessing, we're about to see Kat's version of robotic-assisted team building exercises. Hopefully, everyone else is calling it "Robo-Burntacular!", and are placing bets while watching on CCTV. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Feb 5, 2019 17:42:13 GMT
With this talk of "younger sister clone" stuff, I'm reminded of the tabletop RPG "Eclipse Phase" (it's awesome, go look it up) where one of the main features of the game system and the world it sets up is that you are in a future where your mind can be backed up, emulated, transferred to a new body, etc. (Your mind and your body are even separate character sheets). Getting a new body would be like getting a tattoo today: it takes a few hours and some days of before prep and adjustment after. Since its so easy to do, many people in this setting fork their mind (like how a computer process "forks") to go do a task or communicate with people on other planets while their main self does other things. Once the task is done, the Fork merges back in and the memories made by the Fork are incorporated into the main self. Often Forks have irrelevant memories pruned away so that its easier to merge later and so that the paired down Fork doesn't have legal status over the Alpha Fork.
This lends itself to situations like we have in the comic: Annie has had a six month old backup stolen and instantiated into a new body. She's only just found out about it when it stumbles back home unannounced and unwelcome. Six months is far too long for a divergent Fork to be merged in without some serious psychological complications. And since they're both Alpha Forks, there's legal and sociological questions as to which is the "true" version. Sometimes these situations are dealt with by having the errant Fork assume a new identity and leave for another planet or something. But that's up to the players to decide...
(IIRC, one of the sample campaigns for Eclipse Phase has setup where all the players are Beta Forks of the same person, who's gone missing. It's an interesting scenario.)
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Post by novia on Feb 5, 2019 17:59:08 GMT
If I was in Courtannie's position and had clear evidence such as Reynardine's ownership, I would gladly welcome my younger Twin Sibling into the family. You don't have sisters, do you?  Basically they're already acting like sisters. Source: my relationship with my sister. |
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Post by jda on Feb 5, 2019 19:45:17 GMT
With this talk of "younger sister clone" stuff, I'm reminded of the tabletop RPG "Eclipse Phase" (it's awesome, go look it up) I did, and it is awesome. Thanks for the recommendation! I am a Hard SF fan, and I am totally fine with this situation. (thumbsup) |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 5, 2019 20:53:26 GMT
Is the dialogue from Courtnie strange, or is it just me? I am becoming more and more convinced of a simulacrum. The situation is extremely strange. We just haven't seen Antimony in anything close to a similar situation so it's impossible to say... but I haven't seen anything that can't be explained by the abnormal situation and Antimony being six months older, having spent that time in a different relationship with Anthony. I think even a fully-real Courtnie would be afraid of somehow being proven a fake when a "real" double shows up. That said, if one of them is fake (or less real) it has to be Courtnie. Paz's private warning still seems odd, though. More than being over-protective. Like there was some event in the last six months, the audience is unaware of. Not if you assume that Courtnie went to Kat's and vented a lot of frustration and anxiety about Fannie and that gave Kat a huge urge to do something, which is what I assume happened and which is why they're doing this in the middle of the night instead of waiting until morning. [edit]We've seen how Kat vents to Paz about Antimony's problems in the past.[/edit] |
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Post by Kuraimizu on Feb 5, 2019 21:03:53 GMT
You don't have sisters, do you? I'm a male, and the Oldest sibling to 7 younger siblings. 3 of which were sisters. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 5, 2019 23:25:43 GMT
Incidentally, it's hard to imagine the Paz from the page you linked to acting like she did a few pages ago. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 5, 2019 23:38:26 GMT
Incidentally, it's hard to imagine the Paz from the page you linked to acting like she did a few pages ago. Sometimes people show different faces to different people. |
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Post by madjack on Feb 5, 2019 23:49:24 GMT
Incidentally, it's hard to imagine the Paz from the page you linked to acting like she did a few pages ago. Sometimes people show different faces to different people. She's always been fiercely protective though. I wonder if it's something as simple as changes in accommodation or schooling setup. Paz has basically had Kat to herself every day for the last year at school with Annie held back and isolated in her giant room. Now they're much more convenient to each other (at least residentially) so perhaps she's still adjusting to them being full-time friends again and then this goes and happens? Then again, we haven't seen her display that kind of hostility to Court!Annie yet. |
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 6, 2019 6:45:04 GMT
She still didn't figure out? Or just wants to make her "twin" squirm a little?
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Post by Timberwere on Feb 6, 2019 8:29:24 GMT
With this talk of "younger sister clone" stuff, I'm reminded of the tabletop RPG "Eclipse Phase" (it's awesome, go look it up) where one of the main features of the game system and the world it sets up is that you are in a future where your mind can be backed up, emulated, transferred to a new body, etc. (Your mind and your body are even separate character sheets). Getting a new body would be like getting a tattoo today: it takes a few hours and some days of before prep and adjustment after. Since its so easy to do, many people in this setting fork their mind (like how a computer process "forks") to go do a task or communicate with people on other planets while their main self does other things. Once the task is done, the Fork merges back in and the memories made by the Fork are incorporated into the main self. Often Forks have irrelevant memories pruned away so that its easier to merge later and so that the paired down Fork doesn't have legal status over the Alpha Fork. This lends itself to situations like we have in the comic: Annie has had a six month old backup stolen and instantiated into a new body. She's only just found out about it when it stumbles back home unannounced and unwelcome. Six months is far too long for a divergent Fork to be merged in without some serious psychological complications. And since they're both Alpha Forks, there's legal and sociological questions as to which is the "true" version. Sometimes these situations are dealt with by having the errant Fork assume a new identity and leave for another planet or something. But that's up to the players to decide... (IIRC, one of the sample campaigns for Eclipse Phase has setup where all the players are Beta Forks of the same person, who's gone missing. It's an interesting scenario.) Duh. We've got the Eclipse Phase RPG at home, I've even played the adventure you mention at the end of your posting, and yet I never thought to apply the transhumanistic concept to this situation here. Awesome analogy, Tustin! |
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Post by jda on Feb 6, 2019 16:27:25 GMT
With this talk of "younger sister clone" stuff, I'm reminded of the tabletop RPG "Eclipse Phase" (it's awesome, go look it up) where one of the main features of the game system and the world it sets up is that you are in a future where your mind can be backed up, emulated, transferred to a new body, etc. (Your mind and your body are even separate character sheets). Getting a new body would be like getting a tattoo today: it takes a few hours and some days of before prep and adjustment after. Since its so easy to do, many people in this setting fork their mind (like how a computer process "forks") to go do a task or communicate with people on other planets while their main self does other things. Once the task is done, the Fork merges back in and the memories made by the Fork are incorporated into the main self. Often Forks have irrelevant memories pruned away so that its easier to merge later and so that the paired down Fork doesn't have legal status over the Alpha Fork. This lends itself to situations like we have in the comic: Annie has had a six month old backup stolen and instantiated into a new body. She's only just found out about it when it stumbles back home unannounced and unwelcome. Six months is far too long for a divergent Fork to be merged in without some serious psychological complications. And since they're both Alpha Forks, there's legal and sociological questions as to which is the "true" version. Sometimes these situations are dealt with by having the errant Fork assume a new identity and leave for another planet or something. But that's up to the players to decide... (IIRC, one of the sample campaigns for Eclipse Phase has setup where all the players are Beta Forks of the same person, who's gone missing. It's an interesting scenario.) Again, this is a great reference. In fact, on the Eclipse universe, one of its main texts says As a theme, transhumanism embraces heady questions. What defines human?(Jones?) What does it mean to defeat death?(FireElemental? If minds are software, where do you draw the line with programming them?(Robot/s?If machines and animals can also be raised to sapience,(Forest dwellers, Fairies?)what are our responsibilities to them?(Coyote? Shadow men?) If you can copy yourself, where does “you” end and someone new begin?( 2 Annies?) What are the potentials of these technologies in terms of both oppressive control and liberation?(Court vs Forest) |
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