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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Jan 25, 2019 16:01:20 GMT
In other news: I've been studying the last panel, trying to figure out if Courtnie and Fannie are drawn on-model. Looks like yes, but the foreshortening employed is subtly suggesting that Parlie Parley is shadowing Courtnie a little closer than Fannie. For reference:  As protection, or in suspicion? |
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Post by bingereader on Jan 25, 2019 16:08:13 GMT
On the topic of Parley, I'm concerned of how she'll cope if there's a "No more Mutants" esc ending for the comic and what all that growth will do to her body without the protection of those wards she has engraved in her body.
But on that last panel, I have the feeling whatever test they have in mind for the Annies may not be something they'll voluntarily want to do.
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Post by bedinsis on Jan 25, 2019 16:54:10 GMT
Am I seeing wrong or does Frannie have a slightly rounder head shape than Courtnimony? It could also be that her jaw is hanging lower, but if she has not experienced the 6 months of growth that Courtnimony has she might have the more childlike round shapes left.
Courtnimony's eyes are also smaller, which usually signifies maturation, but could also be that the artstyle must render the eyes smaller to fit the make-up on.
It might be the angle but it also looks like Courtnmony's breasts are slightly larger. Slightly. But Courtnimony has more or less been in permanent arms-crossed position since this volume started, so I take it that's how she usually is positioned; that pose usually comes with more upright standing pose which means it could just be that she is standing more upright and therefore it could just be that the angle makes her breasts look slightly larger.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 25, 2019 16:56:18 GMT
In other news: I've been studying the last panel, trying to figure out if Courtnie and Fannie are drawn on-model. Looks like yes, but the foreshortening employed is subtly suggesting that Parlie Parley is shadowing Courtnie a little closer than Fannie. As protection, or in suspicion? The circumstances appear to suggest suspicion, Admiral. If you look back to the previous comic Parley is standing on Andrew's right (Fannie's left) and is within easy reach of Fannie. She is out-of-frame for most of this comic until the last panel where she is behind both Annies but slightly closer to Courtnie. Andrew remains in frame and in panel #4 of today's comic we can see the background behind Fannie and Parley isn't there. That suggests Parley circled around behind Courtnie and if I remember correctly Parley is right handed. Perhaps she simply took Fannie's coat and hung it up somewhere, but then why not return to Andrew's side? Assuming she didn't step between the Antimonies, which was not shown, why circle all the way around? Maybe it is simply because of Courtnie's irritation (see panel #2) or maybe it is simply more reasonable to suspect Courtnie of being a shape-shifter than Fannie but Parley appears to have maneuvered to an excellent spot to control Courtnie if she tries anything. That said, from this position she can step between them or reach Fannie, as needed. On the topic of Parley, I'm concerned of how she'll cope if there's a "No more Mutants" esc ending for the comic and what all that growth will do to her body without the protection of those wards she has engraved in her body. But on that last panel, I have the feeling whatever test they have in mind for the Annies may not be something they'll voluntarily want to do. Personally, I think they're both "real" (more or less) but there is a possibility that one of the Annies is a shape-shifter of some sort, or under some sort of control. It's wise to take precautions even if the test is fun and easy. Rememebering Courtnie is probably slightly taller than Fannie was what helped me resolve most or all issues. Using Kat as a benchmark helps. |
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Post by novia on Jan 25, 2019 16:59:00 GMT
Unattractively so, I am afraid. Too many masculine attributes make females rather unattractive - to me at least. I prefer women soft, and round in other places than biceps  For future reference, such comments are completely sexist. Please do not post such things here. How so? If anything the poster is reaffirming female identity, and you cannot be sexist against males, right? You managed to cram so much wrong into so few words that it's hard to know where to start. I'm not sure what "reaffirming female identity" is supposed to mean, but saying that women have to be a certain way is obviously sexist. Not that the original poster necessarily did that (though you seem to have interpreted it as such), though they seem to only care about whether a woman is attractive or not regardless of how relevant that is to anything. And obviously you can be sexist against males, not that that has anything to do with anything that's been discussed. I have been told that you cannot be sexist against males. If that is wrong, then I will certainly own up to it. And I don't see how having certain attractions is sexist, but again, maybe I'm wrong. If you are attracted to beards, does that make you sexist for not liking men without beards? And as far the reaffirming female identity goes, the poster was saying he liked the feminine form, since the complaint was that Parley looked too masculine. Parley is literally an icon of female empowerment. Great strength is required for her job. I'm not attracted to muscular guys, but you don't see me coming in here complaining about how Eglamore is not sexy. No one cares about which characters you do or do not find attractive or why. They are drawings. And they are teenagers. Stop. It's creepy and you're basically contributing to the toxic social background radiation that comes with being a woman. There is a ton of social pressure on women to look a certain way. People like you are the reason many women are afraid to get into weight lifting, even though it's very good for you. There is nothing unfeminine about getting stronger. It's fine to think to yourself, "this character is attractive," but the second you come in here to post about it, it gets weird. It's even weirder when you post, "this character is not attractive," as if Tom Siddell has an obligation to make that particular character attractive to you. Please, get some self awareness. |
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Post by turion on Jan 25, 2019 17:06:31 GMT
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Post by tustin2121 on Jan 25, 2019 17:26:24 GMT
I have been told that you cannot be sexist against males. If that is wrong, then I will certainly own up to it. If one is prejudiced against someone on the basis of that someone being female, that's "misogyny". If one is prejudiced against someone on the basis of that someone being male, that's "misandry". The term "sexism" covers both situations. The term happens to be used more often to refer to misogyny due to historical context, but it can refer to either. Now excuse me while I run as far as possible away from the rest of this conversation, because it is a societal minefield waiting to explode. (And also it is off topic.) |
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Post by keef on Jan 25, 2019 18:42:24 GMT
Rememebering Courtnie is probably slightly taller than Fannie was what helped me resolve most or all issues. Using Kat as a benchmark helps. Sorry, but I am not convinced, your Honour. Forest Annie's hair kept growing, so why would her body have stopped doing the same. I need more evidence, or in-comic confirmation.
edit: I would even go so far as seeing this as a conformation by the author that the girls are identical:  |
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Post by bedinsis on Jan 25, 2019 18:59:33 GMT
Rememebering Courtnie is probably slightly taller than Fannie was what helped me resolve most or all issues. Using Kat as a benchmark helps. Sorry, but I am not convinced, your Honour. Forest Annie's hair kept growing, so why would her body have stopped doing the same. I need more evidence, or in-comic confirmation. Indeed, Frannie's hair kept growing. Yet she somehow didn't need to eat, drink or sleep during six months. Were it not for her hair I would deem it probable that her conversation with Loup essentially worked as a time machine. But the thing is, her hair is how the borders of the panels are made whenever Annie is in ethervision, and the same was true with her mother Surma. What's more, when she needed to cut herself of from her emotions she cut her hair in the ether and when the Foleys separated her from her body in the ether they dragged her from her connection with it vie her hair. For this reason I theorize that her hair is somehow connected to the ether, meaning that the conversation with Loup actually did occur as if it were in a time machine with the difference being that the ether felt the time move, and thus her hair, which is already connected to it, grew accordingly. |
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Post by Eve Swann on Jan 25, 2019 19:01:35 GMT
Parley is literally an icon of female empowerment. Great strength is required for her job. I'm not attracted to muscular guys, but you don't see me coming in here complaining about how Eglamore is not sexy. No one cares about which characters you do or do not find attractive or why. They are drawings. And they are teenagers. Stop. It's creepy and you're basically contributing to the toxic social background radiation that comes with being a woman. There is a ton of social pressure on women to look a certain way. People like you are the reason many women are afraid to get into weight lifting, even though it's very good for you. There is nothing unfeminine about getting stronger. It's fine to think to yourself, "this character is attractive," but the second you come in here to post about it, it gets weird. It's even weirder when you post, "this character is not attractive," as if Tom Siddell has an obligation to make that particular character attractive to you. Please, get some self awareness. All of this. |
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Post by DonDueed on Jan 25, 2019 19:13:02 GMT
The circumstances appear to suggest suspicion, Admiral. If you look back to the previous comic Parley is standing on Andrew's right (Fannie's left) and is within easy reach of Fannie. She is out-of-frame for most of this comic until the last panel where she is behind both Annies but slightly closer to Courtnie. Andrew remains in frame and in panel #4 of today's comic we can see the background behind Fannie and Parley isn't there. That suggests Parley circled around behind Courtnie and if I remember correctly Parley is right handed. Perhaps she simply took Fannie's coat and hung it up somewhere, but then why not return to Andrew's side? Assuming she didn't step between the Antimonies, which was not shown, why circle all the way around? Maybe it is simply because of Courtnie's irritation (see panel #2) or maybe it is simply more reasonable to suspect Courtnie of being a shape-shifter than Fannie but Parley appears to have maneuvered to an excellent spot to control Courtnie if she tries anything. That said, from this position she can step between them or reach Fannie, as needed. No need for any of that, though. Parley could have just bipped herself into position behind the Annies. |
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Post by shadow3 on Jan 25, 2019 19:14:10 GMT
Is anyone else imagining Parley trying to smash the two Annies together into a Fusion Annie?
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Post by smurfton on Jan 25, 2019 19:19:35 GMT
Parley appears quite a bit larger than she actually is in that panel. If you look closely, you can see that each Annie only barely covers each side of Parley's body, and their heads being level with her shoulders help with the illusion.
Well drawn.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jan 25, 2019 19:37:21 GMT
Rememebering Courtnie is probably slightly taller than Fannie was what helped me resolve most or all issues. Using Kat as a benchmark helps. Sorry, but I am not convinced, your Honour. Forest Annie's hair kept growing, so why would her body have stopped doing the same. I need more evidence, or in-comic confirmation.
edit: I would even go so far as seeing this as a conformation by the author that the girls are identical: They probably had different nutrition while separated, which would explain any potential height differences. |
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Post by bingereader on Jan 25, 2019 19:43:16 GMT
Parley is literally an icon of female empowerment. Great strength is required for her job. I'm not attracted to muscular guys, but you don't see me coming in here complaining about how Eglamore is not sexy. No one cares about which characters you do or do not find attractive or why. They are drawings. And they are teenagers. Stop. It's creepy and you're basically contributing to the toxic social background radiation that comes with being a woman. There is a ton of social pressure on women to look a certain way. People like you are the reason many women are afraid to get into weight lifting, even though it's very good for you. There is nothing unfeminine about getting stronger. It's fine to think to yourself, "this character is attractive," but the second you come in here to post about it, it gets weird. It's even weirder when you post, "this character is not attractive," as if Tom Siddell has an obligation to make that particular character attractive to you. Please, get some self awareness. One the one hand, everything you said is true. People can do whatever they want with their bodies and under normal circumstances what Parley is doing is the best she can do to have a long and health life. On the other hand, what Parley is doing and having done to her comes from what seems to be the magical equivalent of steroids and growth hormones. We also know that she was chosen to be the next protector of the Court since birth so she really didn't have a choice in this. Finally, there's a chance the comic could end in the Earth having magic removed from it , or at the very least the court having all magic removed from their control or possession by Loup. I have a feeling Parley's current body wouldn't be able to support itself with the wards on her body. So if they become inert, we could get some tramatizing levels of body horror. |
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Post by brilliantgrey on Jan 25, 2019 20:31:39 GMT
Unattractively so, I am afraid. Too many masculine attributes make females rather unattractive - to me at least. I prefer women soft, and round in other places than biceps HA HAHAHA this is the worst post I've seen on this forum. |
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Post by novia on Jan 25, 2019 20:32:43 GMT
Parley is literally an icon of female empowerment. Great strength is required for her job. I'm not attracted to muscular guys, but you don't see me coming in here complaining about how Eglamore is not sexy. No one cares about which characters you do or do not find attractive or why. They are drawings. And they are teenagers. Stop. It's creepy and you're basically contributing to the toxic social background radiation that comes with being a woman. There is a ton of social pressure on women to look a certain way. People like you are the reason many women are afraid to get into weight lifting, even though it's very good for you. There is nothing unfeminine about getting stronger. It's fine to think to yourself, "this character is attractive," but the second you come in here to post about it, it gets weird. It's even weirder when you post, "this character is not attractive," as if Tom Siddell has an obligation to make that particular character attractive to you. Please, get some self awareness. One the one hand, everything you said is true. People can do whatever they want with their bodies and under normal circumstances what Parley is doing is the best she can do to have a long and health life. On the other hand, what Parley is doing and having done to her comes from what seems to be the magical equivalent of steroids and growth hormones. We also know that she was chosen to be the next protector of the Court since birth so she really didn't have a choice in this. Finally, there's a chance the comic could end in the Earth having magic removed from it , or at the very least the court having all magic removed from their control or possession by Loup. I have a feeling Parley's current body wouldn't be able to support itself with the wards on her body. So if they become inert, we could get some tramatizing levels of body horror. The same could easily be said about Eglamore. Yet no one is concerned for him. I wonder why 🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by brilliantgrey on Jan 25, 2019 20:33:23 GMT
Is anyone else imagining Parley trying to smash the two Annies together into a Fusion Annie? My immediate assumption was a Big Hug |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 25, 2019 20:36:25 GMT
Parley could have just bipped herself into position behind the Annies. True. There wasn't a "bip" noise in the comic, though. Parley appears quite a bit larger than she actually is in that panel. If you look closely, you can see that each Annie only barely covers each side of Parley's body, and their heads being level with her shoulders help with the illusion. Well drawn. That goes to angle and depth of field. Here it reduces the "shrinkage" of Parley in the background; the same way that they make monsters or murderers look more threatening in horror movies. I'd accept that as a criticism more than what Keef's saying, but when I look at Courtnie's head and torso compared to Fannie [insert joke here] I still gotta say I think Courtnie's a little bit taller. Rememebering Courtnie is probably slightly taller than Fannie was what helped me resolve most or all issues. Using Kat as a benchmark helps. Sorry, but I am not convinced, your Honour. Forest Annie's hair kept growing, so why would her body have stopped doing the same. I need more evidence, or in-comic confirmation. edit: I would even go so far as seeing this as a conformation by the author that the girls are identical: If you compare the proportions of the Antimonies I don't believe that can be the case unless they're drawn off-model in one or more of these panels. Here are the exhibits, I'll just post them and let people make their own decisions. For people not familiar with this sort of thing, typically, the height of the head (red line to red line) should be roughly equal to the height of the ribcage (yellow line to orange line) on the same character. The character in the foreground should be bigger overall but you can compare the proportions of, for example, the distance from the top of the head to the waist or the hips and see how characters stack up from panel to panel. Lines I'm unsure of were either omitted or marked with a question mark. Re: Hair; Be advised that Fannie may have a bit more volume in her hair than Courtnie (HER HAIR IT GOES UP).  |
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Post by ST13R on Jan 25, 2019 20:48:21 GMT
One the one hand, everything you said is true. People can do whatever they want with their bodies and under normal circumstances what Parley is doing is the best she can do to have a long and health life. On the other hand, what Parley is doing and having done to her comes from what seems to be the magical equivalent of steroids and growth hormones. We also know that she was chosen to be the next protector of the Court since birth so she really didn't have a choice in this. Finally, there's a chance the comic could end in the Earth having magic removed from it , or at the very least the court having all magic removed from their control or possession by Loup. I have a feeling Parley's current body wouldn't be able to support itself with the wards on her body. So if they become inert, we could get some tramatizing levels of body horror. Just a slight correction, she was trained to become a medium, just as Annie and Andrew (though she did have swordsmanship lessons). So 'from birth' is quite an overstatement, she just accepted the offer to become Smitty's protector when he got chosen as the courts medium. And eh, I'd guess she'd still stay quite big if magic would vanish, the wards just enhance her natural abilities. Though she might have to work harder to maintain her body type then.
On a completely different note: Annies coat vanished :')
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 25, 2019 20:56:40 GMT
For some reason, I'm suddenly recalling the Buffy episode "The Replacement". I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, or not.
In it, a demon wants to separate Buffy into super-Buffy and meak-Buffy(killing meak_buffy kills both). He misses with his spell and hits poor Xander. They end up with a very competent Xander and a bumbling Xander. Both real, but made from unbalanced components of the original.
Instead of truly being identical "flames", what if they're both different from the original Annie, ever so slightly? Courtnie more "courty", and Frannie more "foresty"?
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Post by fia on Jan 25, 2019 21:22:53 GMT
Ignoring all the "nope" stuff on this thread... I think I also vote that Parley might say either, "GET ALONG YOU TWO" or maybe "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" or something.
I mean, if one of them is a New Annie then she has just been born and it is her birthday. Technically.
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Post by keef on Jan 25, 2019 21:41:11 GMT
On another note; the silly arrogance of Forest Annie, with that 'sorry I wasn't around' speech. Completely and offensively ignoring her clone, overestimating her importance... Somehow that's so typical, so in character for her. I love that.
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Post by ditchboyus on Jan 25, 2019 22:16:06 GMT
It's even weirder when you post, "this character is not attractive," as if Tom Siddell has an obligation to make that particular character attractive to you. Please, get some self awareness. No one said that Tom has any obligation to make any character attractive to anyone. People have opinions, which they are allowed to state. |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 25, 2019 22:37:14 GMT
Is anyone else imagining Parley trying to smash the two Annies together into a Fusion Annie? (I did on the previous page ) |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 25, 2019 22:53:38 GMT
Instead of truly being identical "flames", what if they're both different from the original Annie, ever so slightly? Courtnie more "courty", and Frannie more "foresty"? The fact that their fire elemental sides are quite different in appearance ( www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2069 ) might argue for this. But then again, the different experiences (and consequent healing?) of the elementals, considering the different timelines they've experienced in Frannie or Courtney could also explain the differences. I dunno..... |
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Post by Corvo on Jan 25, 2019 23:13:02 GMT
If experience has taught me anything, it's the Court has tiny doors.  ...Either that, or not to trust proportions in a comic. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 25, 2019 23:32:46 GMT
If experience has taught me anything, it's the Court has tiny doors... Either that, or not to trust proportions in a comic. Your point about comics is valid... Comics are drawn by human beings (for the most part) and they sometimes make errors... but I must observe that tiny doors are an actual thing even in a world where there aren't tiny beings. Some are access covers.  |
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Post by todd on Jan 26, 2019 0:17:02 GMT
They were sloppy about naming a Court medium before, back when Coyote's promise not to attack was in effect. Now that the chaotic Loup is in charge, has attacked, has devastated large areas of the Court, and continues low level conflict (bound dogs & shadow men), Id think that they would want to keep a medium quite handy, in case a negotiation opportunity presents itself (whether for a truce or a resolution of some sort). True - that was one of the Court's biggest mistakes. If they'd picked a successor for Surma right away, they'd have probably had an adult, experienced medium by the time of the present-day events instead of a teenaged boy (even if one with Andrew's "order-out-of-chaos" skills). On the other hand, I suspect that the Court leadership might be convinced that there's no hope of reasoning with Loup and his forces - that the only way to handle them is with armed might. |
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Post by avekmontenegro on Jan 26, 2019 0:32:17 GMT
Unattractively so, I am afraid. Too many masculine attributes make females rather unattractive - to me at least. I prefer women soft, and round in other places than biceps For future reference, such comments are completely sexist. Please do not post such things here. Not to mention a liiiiiiitle pedophilic. |
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