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Post by Corvo on Jan 16, 2019 16:45:26 GMT
All this talk about Paz using her powers got me thinking: what is her power, exactly?
I mean, how does another person see/hear it when she's talking to an animal? Seriously, the more I think about it, the more her scenes with "animal-talking" seem ambiguous or open to interpretation.
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Post by tustin2121 on Jan 16, 2019 16:48:02 GMT
Anyone else have trouble reading this page? I had to read it like 3 times to understand what was going on. I think it's because the 180 degree rule was broken between panels 3 and panels 6 in a non-obvious way. Winsburry is on the right side of the panel both times and I'm like "wait, did he cross the road or not?". Further, panel 4 probably should have had them bunched together on the left more, to show that Annie and Paz did not cross; I thought originally they were all crossing as one, because it's not made clear they had to break up the group or anything.
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Post by tustin2121 on Jan 16, 2019 17:09:28 GMT
I'm agreeing the idea that Paz is communicating with an animal or two to distract the robots. She can't communicate with animals long distance. Remember that she had to get close to Lindsey to tell her the plan in the Torn Sea. All this talk about Paz using her powers got me thinking: what is her power, exactly?
I mean, how does another person see/hear it when she's talking to an animal? Seriously, the more I think about it, the more her scenes with "animal-talking" seem ambiguous or open to interpretation. Pretty sure we've seen exactly how it looks to other people (Kat specifically here) before. I'd wager that her ability to talk with animals is roughly equivalent to how Zimmy and Gamma talk with each other; Zimmy and Gamma need to be close in proximity in order to communicate, so it follows that it's probably the same for Paz and any animals she wants to talk to. |
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Post by Aura on Jan 16, 2019 17:43:14 GMT
Paz is probably just checking if F!Annie is an animal or forest creature.
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Post by jda on Jan 16, 2019 18:10:59 GMT
Paz's expression makes me think that she and Kat might have broken up, as Madjack suggested. I rather think she'd like to confide in Fannie. She is going to confide in Annie that KAt has not been the same since the attack, that the Grow-A-Robot project and new shenanigans have robbed them of time together and that she doesn't know what to do. Kat is becoming Techgoddess, thus becoming deaf to her former lover... |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 16, 2019 18:45:46 GMT
That choice has perplexed me as well. I haven't been calling her Fannie myself since "fanny" is slang for "butt" in the US and "vagina" in England, so in either case it just felt kind of weird. People do what people do tho, I guess? Yeah, that's why Ive been sticking with F!Annie; though Fannie is a (little used, old fashioned) name, the other connotations made it kinda weird. But I like Frannie! More common name too. I am not an English native speaker, and I did not know that even this old name had been misused as an euphemism for genitals. When I was a child, Fanny was the name of a character in a series of books I liked, that was my only context for the name. If the majority prefers Frannie, I am okay with that codename too. Duh, sometimes I think every second name is some stupid "slang" for genitals, drugs or some other "naughty" stuff today. Dick, Peter and Willie (and Fanny, obviously) agree with me.
Anyone else have trouble reading this page? I had to read it like 3 times to understand what was going on. I think it's because the 180 degree rule was broken between panels 3 and panels 6 in a non-obvious way. Winsburry is on the right side of the panel both times and I'm like "wait, did he cross the road or not?". Further, panel 4 probably should have had them bunched together on the left more, to show that Annie and Paz did not cross; I thought originally they were all crossing as one, because it's not made clear they had to break up the group or anything. I had no trouble, but I used the stairs (which go up on one side, and down on the other) as a reference for who was where. |
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Post by maxptc on Jan 16, 2019 19:25:19 GMT
Well I'll make the cookies for those who called it was going to be night-time, though Annie can't have been asleep for all that long. As for those last two panels: They broke up, didn't they? Am I missing something, why can't she have been asleep all that long? We don't know what time she went to bed, what time it is now, not even how long it's been since we last saw Annie. |
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Post by ih8pkmn on Jan 16, 2019 19:30:24 GMT
Makes me wonder if Jack will show back up. I mean, it's been over four years since we've seen them, Zimmers or Gamma (not counting Flashbacks). It's like everyone forgot about them.
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Post by maxptc on Jan 16, 2019 19:31:53 GMT
Makes me wonder if Jack will show back up. I mean, it's been over four years since we've seen them, Zimmers or Gamma (not counting Flashbacks). It's like everyone forgot about them. This reminds me of how much I miss the Tic-Tocs. |
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Post by todd on Jan 17, 2019 0:13:21 GMT
Are there even animals in the Court besides insects and lab mice? I wouldn't be surprised if the Court discouraged them, out of its paranoia towards the Forest. (I can almost imagine them deciding to go for artificial trees with artificial birds perched in them - "if we have to have something like that at all here".) |
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Jan 17, 2019 0:31:37 GMT
Paz's expression makes me think that she and Kat might have broken up, as Madjack suggested. I rather think she'd like to confide in Fannie. She is going to confide in Annie that KAt has not been the same since the attack, that the Grow-A-Robot project and new shenanigans have robbed them of time together and that she doesn't know what to do. Kat is becoming Techgoddess, thus becoming deaf to her former lover... Seems the most likely explanation to me. That or Paz knows that Courtnie is a fake. |
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Post by Corvo on Jan 17, 2019 0:36:59 GMT
I'm agreeing the idea that Paz is communicating with an animal or two to distract the robots. She can't communicate with animals long distance. Remember that she had to get close to Lindsey to tell her the plan in the Torn Sea. All this talk about Paz using her powers got me thinking: what is her power, exactly?
I mean, how does another person see/hear it when she's talking to an animal? Seriously, the more I think about it, the more her scenes with "animal-talking" seem ambiguous or open to interpretation. Pretty sure we've seen exactly how it looks to other people (Kat specifically here) before. I'd wager that her ability to talk with animals is roughly equivalent to how Zimmy and Gamma talk with each other; Zimmy and Gamma need to be close in proximity in order to communicate, so it follows that it's probably the same for Paz and any animals she wants to talk to.
In Lindsey's case, we don't see any talking taking place. What really happened after Paz reached Lindsey? Did she explain things by thought, did she make gestures, or was the "mere" fact that a student jumped to the depths of the sea enough to show something was wrong? And then, there's the point that Lindsey is at least as intelligent as a human, so communication with her might not go the same way it would with, say, Panchi and her puppies. I mean, Lindsey can understand english anyway, so there's no point for Paz to use her power (on the "sending" side, that is).
In the extra comic Traveller, during most of the conversation it looks like she's actually talking aloud (mouth open, speech bubbles have the pointy bit, these kind of things) with the puppy. But we don't know if she needs to do it to be undestood. And maybe it's not even happening, it might be just Tom's aesthetic choice to picture her saying things aloud? The same happens with the mouse scene after the barbecue and kiss. Either way, since it's just the two of them in the scenes with real conversation, it's difficult to know how others would perceive it. It'd be funny if she was actually barking and acting like a dog, without even realizing it.
Personally, I always thought she had to hear the creature's equivalent of "talking", then she'd talk in english and it'd be magically translated to anyone listening. But the very close second place is telepathy, like Zimmy and Gamma. Or "was", right now I'm not sure of anything....
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Post by netherdan on Jan 17, 2019 1:28:54 GMT
I'm agreeing the idea that Paz is communicating with an animal or two to distract the robots. She can't communicate with animals long distance. Remember that she had to get close to Lindsey to tell her the plan in the Torn Sea. All this talk about Paz using her powers got me thinking: what is her power, exactly?
I mean, how does another person see/hear it when she's talking to an animal? Seriously, the more I think about it, the more her scenes with "animal-talking" seem ambiguous or open to interpretation. Pretty sure we've seen exactly how it looks to other people (Kat specifically here) before. I'd wager that her ability to talk with animals is roughly equivalent to how Zimmy and Gamma talk with each other; Zimmy and Gamma need to be close in proximity in order to communicate, so it follows that it's probably the same for Paz and any animals she wants to talk to. Come on, Annie had enought etheric development in 6 months to create plasma cutting ray things and she's not even that well integrated with her etheric self. War times might have forced the edge on their etheric development so who knows, Paz might be projecting a giant ether squirrel (or the equivalent of her spirit animal, dunno if there's something like the mexican alebrijes in Spain) to crush the killer greencrabbed robots Jokes aside, everyone with etheric powers might have undergone extensive combat training and had a huge development in those months so I'm excited on what to expect |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 17, 2019 3:16:36 GMT
She is going to confide in Annie that KAt has not been the same since the attack, that the Grow-A-Robot project and new shenanigans have robbed them of time together and that she doesn't know what to do. Kat is becoming Techgoddess, thus becoming deaf to her former lover... Seems the most likely explanation to me. That or Paz knows that Courtnie is a fake. A more scary (but probably less likely) explanation is that Paz is actually holding Frannie back for a non-personal reason. The way she is not smiling, but with eyes cast down kind of sheepishly, makes me think maybe she is about to say something she's uncomfortable with saying, but has to say anyway. Whatever it is she wants to say, she doesn't want the others to hear. Maybe she actually doesn't agree with the plans Kat et al have for Frannie, or is uncomfortable with them. She feels disloyal to Kat, but has to warn Frannie what is up, so she knows what she is heading into, and can avoid it if she chooses. Not really sure this is correct, just a possibility. Kinda worrisome tho.... |
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Post by warrl on Jan 17, 2019 5:36:26 GMT
but it's essentially the mirror image of this. And somehow I knew where that link would lead before I even pointed the mouse at it...  Duh, sometimes I think every second name is some stupid "slang" for genitals, drugs or some other "naughty" stuff today. Dick, Peter and Willie (and Fanny, obviously) agree with me. John should also get some sympathy for a similar but non-identical reason. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jan 17, 2019 7:19:03 GMT
Makes me wonder if Jack will show back up. I mean, it's been over four years since we've seen them, Zimmers or Gamma (not counting Flashbacks). It's like everyone forgot about them. Forgot about who...? |
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Post by Lizuka on Jan 17, 2019 8:25:22 GMT
Being completely honest I think this page is the most I've ever been interested in Paz. Wondering where it goes.
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Post by Polyhymnia on Jan 17, 2019 13:32:34 GMT
Maybe I'm alone in this, but to me it looks like she's ashamed. My wild guess is she's going to throw her to the robots for reasons yet to be explained.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 17, 2019 14:01:40 GMT
Maybe I'm alone in this, but to me it looks like she's ashamed. My wild guess is she's going to throw her to the robots for reasons yet to be explained. That would be an excellent hard dark left turn for the story to take, and very scary! (It crossed my mind too, but I couldnt think of why she'd do it... especially since Winsbury would see her do it - they'd all have to be in on it!) Very dark.... throwing Frannie to the wolves ... crabs ... evil robots! |
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Post by DonDueed on Jan 17, 2019 15:49:18 GMT
Maybe I'm alone in this, but to me it looks like she's ashamed. My wild guess is she's going to throw her to the robots for reasons yet to be explained. This is an evil, evil idea... love it!
Maybe she did a deal with the greenheads -- she gives them Forest!Annie and they give her Bobby back.
I don't really think Paz is capable of such infamy, but times are strange.
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Post by madjack on Jan 17, 2019 16:33:33 GMT
Well I'll make the cookies for those who called it was going to be night-time, though Annie can't have been asleep for all that long. As for those last two panels: They broke up, didn't they? Am I missing something, why can't she have been asleep all that long? We don't know what time she went to bed, what time it is now, not even how long it's been since we last saw Annie. At first I thought the shading on the skyline was indicative of a sunrise/sunset, but I just went back and checked Power Station and it's actually a stylistic thing that's always been there and I didn't notice until checking it to reply. So I'll retract that statement, it really could be any time at night. |
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Post by speedwell on Jan 17, 2019 17:27:31 GMT
The robots have been altered and we don't know by whom or why. Kat is or was their Goddess. Does she retain control over them? Or is this a manifestation of her control over them?
Anyway I am wondering what side Kat is on, and whether Paz's loyalties are compromised (if Kat's are).
I'm a bit worried (in a fiction-reader way, heh) about Robot and Arthur.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 17, 2019 17:40:43 GMT
Am I missing something, why can't she have been asleep all that long? We don't know what time she went to bed, what time it is now, not even how long it's been since we last saw Annie. At first I thought the shading on the skyline was indicative of a sunrise/sunset, but I just went back and checked Power Station and it's actually a stylistic thing that's always been there and I didn't notice until checking it to reply. So I'll retract that statement, it really could be any time at night. Could be an indication of background light from the Court due to its streetlights... I imagine the court being like a city spread in all directions, so the street lighting should give a bit of "horizon glow". |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 17, 2019 17:44:02 GMT
The robots have been altered and we don't know by whom or why. Kat is or was their Goddess. Does she retain control over them? Or is this a manifestation of her control over them? Anyway I am wondering what side Kat is on, and whether Paz's loyalties are compromised (if Kat's are). I'm a bit worried (in a fiction-reader way, heh) about Robot and Arthur. Excellent points. There's also Bobby (Paz' assistant) and the Robot King, and what about poor Boxbot! Boxbot green-crabbed would be doubly horrible! (With a new "improved", very sinister "Hellooooo....") |
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 17, 2019 18:57:59 GMT
Excellent points. There's also Bobby (Paz' assistant) and the Robot King, and what about poor Boxbot! Boxbot green-crabbed would be doubly horrible! (With a new "improved", very sinister "Hellooooo....") Boxbot is the Omega device  |
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Post by speedwell on Jan 17, 2019 19:00:00 GMT
Naah. Speculation aside, I bet Paz is going to ask Annie to do something the other Annie does in similar situations, but that she is aware probably will not occur to her. I'd be embarrassed, too, if I had to ask one twin to do "that thing the other twin does".
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 17, 2019 22:19:47 GMT
In Lindsey's case, we don't see any talking taking place. What really happened after Paz reached Lindsey? Did she explain things by thought, did she make gestures, or was the "mere" fact that a student jumped to the depths of the sea enough to show something was wrong? And then, there's the point that Lindsey is at least as intelligent as a human, so communication with her might not go the same way it would with, say, Panchi and her puppies. I mean, Lindsey can understand english anyway, so there's no point for Paz to use her power (on the "sending" side, that is). Of course there was a point for her to use telepathy (if she does possess that power): Humans cannot speak underwater. Aside from that, I am not so sure about Lindsey's intelligence, with her blindly smashing the glass ceiling, which only did not injure or kill any students by sheer luck (yes, I remember she has an academic degree, but that action of hers was so abysmally stupid I am still waiting for someone to adress it in-comic...). Jokes aside, everyone with etheric powers might have undergone extensive combat training and had a huge development in those months so I'm excited on what to expect Maybe we will finally find out what William is especially good at. John should also get some sympathy for a similar but non-identical reason. You are right, I completely forgot about that guy. :-O Sorry John! |
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Post by netherdan on Jan 18, 2019 3:08:43 GMT
Aside from that, I am not so sure about Lindsey's intelligence, with her blindly smashing the glass ceiling, which only did not injure or kill any students by sheer luck (yes, I remember she has an academic degree, but that action of hers was so abysmally stupid I am still waiting for someone to adress it in-comic... She has a superior level of intellingence... For an arthropod! It doesn't necessarily translates to "emergency procedures attitude". She's book smart, not street smart! |
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Post by jda on Jan 19, 2019 4:20:41 GMT
Paz: Annie, it's dangerous to go alone. Take this sword. ...into the chest [smrrkk] |
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