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Post by ebaaus on Jan 4, 2019 8:05:13 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 4, 2019 8:09:13 GMT
And the road-like spaces between the blocks can't all be roads otherwise some would have lead right into the Annan divide. [edit] Maybe they're fire breaks. [/edit]
Also the places where green enters into blocks that are yellow or yellow enters into red should be places where the buildings haven't been cleared. Dunno what the story is with the isolated dots of yellow surrounded by red or red surrounded with yellow is other than they are problematic places. Furthermore, the map is obsolete because it doesn't show blocks and breaks erased by giant tree growth. You can attempt to intuit it with the red dots beneath the breaks and blocks but that's not helpful when navigating around such areas.
[edit]The hat-shaped block beneath the "B" in "Court Boundary" has a decent shot at being the school. Otherwise the only thing that I'd guess at is the main artery to the right of the "y" in "Court Boundary" might be a terminus for the maglev.[/edit]
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Post by arf on Jan 4, 2019 8:25:19 GMT
Where's the maglev rail system?
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jan 4, 2019 8:33:51 GMT
Right in the middle there, there's a red block directly adjacent to a green block. I'd think, in the interest of safety protocols, ALL red blocks should be surrounded by a perimeter of at least one yellow block before a green zone can be declared.
Let's ask the bald guy, or that big guy, with all the muscles, whats-his-face-again, about their safety protocols!
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 4, 2019 8:37:17 GMT
I wonder if Jones' landing site counts as "creature activity." If yes, it could be one of those problematic points.
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Post by Angry Individual on Jan 4, 2019 9:08:38 GMT
Everyone is assuming that the two big red splotches are where each tree grew, right?
I'm not insane for thinking that was obvious, right??
Otherwise, I'd be rather confused as to why stuff is initially classified to be red vs yellow. I can only assume the sporadic spots of red in-between the two main red sections are where roots and/or branches dip into the area. Or underground entrances.
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Post by ST13R on Jan 4, 2019 9:41:13 GMT
Everyone is assuming that the two big red splotches are where each tree grew, right? I'm not insane for thinking that was obvious, right?? Otherwise, I'd be rather confused as to why stuff is initially classified to be red vs yellow. I can only assume the sporadic spots of red in-between the two main red sections are where roots and/or branches dip into the area. Or underground entrances. Thinking the same, since you can see red circles 'underneath' the building parameters. Definately the trees and offshoots.
The structures are quite interesting, I wonder if a lot of buildings are situated underground as well.
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Post by madjack on Jan 4, 2019 11:55:22 GMT
Yeah but if the major red spots are the trees... Wasn't the one that was Robot's arm in the middle of the park?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 4, 2019 12:19:37 GMT
The problem with a map with no scale or legend is that you can only use it if you're familiar with the terrain already. I think it's a reasonable assumption that the large red dots are where the trees grew from but the smaller red dots are either where branches grew downwards as a purposeful attack or where debris fell when the shield was activated. We've known for the longest time that the sun rises from the woods relative to the Court so that tallies with the compass. Assuming the big dots are the tree trunks the distance between them would be about right (a little more than 20 blocks) and the size would be about right (800-1200m diameter?). Guessing by the previous comics' views that only suggest orientation I think the one to the south would be the arm, therefore the former location of Young's park; the one to the south has a block of the right shape but it isn't in the center (a possible explanation being that the tree grew more in the direction of the woods). (All this of course being a 4am-6am WAG, didn't even BOTE it this time but relied on a loose memory of what I got for the scale of the trees.) |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jan 4, 2019 13:08:23 GMT
And the road-like spaces between the blocks can't all be roads otherwise some would have lead right into the Annan divide. [edit] Maybe they're fire breaks. I think the Court/Forest Boundary on this map isn't the Annan but rather the wall that marks the end of the Court Buildings. |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 4, 2019 13:11:26 GMT
Hmm, my previous speculation (trying to match the comic with the real world) had the Court's port (launch point of "Torn Sea") where the river Annan empties into the "sea" (actually the Solway Firth), to the south. Wrong! This map has the coast to the west/NW, so the Court's port is perhaps at Cairnryan on the Galloway coast (W) or Ardossan on the Firth of Clyde (NW). That makes the Court truly enormous, taking up a most of Dumfries, Galloway, and Ayrshire in Scotland. (Or maybe I'm just trying too hard to shoehorn the court into the real world!)
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Post by freedomgeek on Jan 4, 2019 13:20:05 GMT
Huh, so we've got a region of green among all the yellow, even butting right up against the red, that the Court is carefully keeping safe and connected to the rest of the green.
I can only interpret that something very important is located in those green areas and the court is pumping in a lot of resources to keep it safe.
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 4, 2019 13:31:06 GMT
Right in the middle there, there's a red block directly adjacent to a green block. I'd think, in the interest of safety protocols, ALL red blocks should be surrounded by a perimeter of at least one yellow block before a green zone can be declared. Let's ask the bald guy, or that big guy, with all the muscles, whats-his-face-again, about their safety protocols! Maybe it is a block well contained, in lockdown or similar, where lots of creatures are trapped inside. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 4, 2019 14:18:12 GMT
Hmm, my previous speculation (trying to match the comic with the real world) had the Court's port (launch point of "Torn Sea") where the river Annan empties into the "sea" (actually the Solway Firth), to the south. Wrong! This map has the coast to the west/NW, so the Court's port is perhaps at Cairnryan on the Galloway coast (W) or Ardossan on the Firth of Clyde (NW). That makes the Court truly enormous, taking up a most of Dumfries, Galloway, and Ayrshire in Scotland. (Or maybe I'm just trying too hard to shoehorn the court into the real world!) That's if the Court's "space" occupies "real" space. Sometimes, it seems like the Court may exist in its own amorphous pocket dimension. Maybe using Forest mojo, the Seed Bismuth grow into itself, and the Court is "inside" it. There's got to be a reason, to why they've stuck around a hostile neighbor, for so long. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 4, 2019 14:43:40 GMT
At first I thought Tom might have used Birmingham to draw this map, but I couldn't see anything obvious when I looked at the area Tom used for inspiration in the past. Maybe he did and I didn't look at it with the right scale, orientation, or center point. Upon further consideration, Tom seems to like making map-like drawings. He could have easily drawn this from scratch. |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 4, 2019 14:51:01 GMT
Hmm, my previous speculation (trying to match the comic with the real world) had the Court's port (launch point of "Torn Sea") where the river Annan empties into the "sea" (actually the Solway Firth), to the south. Wrong! This map has the coast to the west/NW, so the Court's port is perhaps at Cairnryan on the Galloway coast (W) or Ardossan on the Firth of Clyde (NW). That makes the Court truly enormous, taking up a most of Dumfries, Galloway, and Ayrshire in Scotland. (Or maybe I'm just trying too hard to shoehorn the court into the real world!) That's if the Court's "space" occupies "real" space. Sometimes, it seems like the Court may exist in its own amorphous pocket dimension. Maybe using Forest mojo, the Seed Bismuth grow into itself, and the Court is "inside" it. There's got to be a reason, to why they've stuck around a hostile neighbor, for so long. well, there's all that "ether juice" they need to power their Omega device.... or whatever (no good) they're up to.. |
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Post by jda on Jan 4, 2019 15:11:01 GMT
Kind of a filler page, I suppose...
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Post by mordekai on Jan 4, 2019 15:49:19 GMT
That's if the Court's "space" occupies "real" space. Sometimes, it seems like the Court may exist in its own amorphous pocket dimension. Maybe using Forest mojo, the Seed Bismuth grow into itself, and the Court is "inside" it. There's got to be a reason, to why they've stuck around a hostile neighbor, for so long. well, there's all that "ether juice" they need to power their Omega device.... or whatever (no good) they're up to.. As I said in a previous thread, it would be impossible for either the Court and the Wood to exist in real space in modern UK. All the territory was mapped and measured to the inch, even before satellite imaging was a thing. There is no way a virgin forest like Gillitie Forest would be ignored, it would be a Mecca for hikers, ecologists and nature lovers, and when people started to die there, both the media and the government would take notice... and there is no way the Court could conceal that even if they worked with the UK government... the relatives of lost visitors wouldn't shut up so easily...
As for the Court, there is no way the UK government would tolerate a powerful self-governed city-state like that to exist unhindered. Where are the British administration's observers and overseers?
I'm quite sure the Court and the Forest exist in some sort of pocket dimension. The Court may be officially registered as a private school so their students get real degrees, but they probably keep some facade using holograms and such to trick the government into believing they are a normal boarding school in the countryside...
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Post by DonDueed on Jan 4, 2019 15:51:57 GMT
The real question is, what did this map look like six months ago, or three months ago? Are the red and yellow areas growing, shrinking, or roughly the same size?
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Post by madjack on Jan 4, 2019 16:37:06 GMT
I'm quite sure the Court and the Forest exist in some sort of pocket dimension. The Court may be officially registered as a private school so their students get real degrees, but they probably keep some facade using holograms and such to trick the government into believing they are a normal boarding school in the countryside...
A hologram? Nah. A big part of keeping a technology advantage (over anyone: here the assumption is that it's the rest of the world) is not doing anything that would expose you have that technology advantage. I really doubt they would ever let Court tech outside the walls anywhere it would be at real risk of discovery. See also their attitude towards robots wanting to leave, and I think the only place outside the Court we've seen it was in the middle of the Amazon during chapter 64. No, the KISS principle is the way you do things like this. Run your own real-world educational institution (or several) completely separately and bury your students' accreditation in the paperwork, without them ever being there. Use that as a screen to cover the few international students flying in and out every summer. If you get caught with those extra students just say you were cooking the books for extra grant money or to look better or something, eat any fines and continue not caring. Anyone who had an identity pre-Court just needs to keep relevant real-world agencies seeing what they expect to see, the tricky bit would be people who've been born there and never had shoes to step back into... Disclaimer: Wildspec. I don't have a clue how you'd actually hide a complete institution. Edit: This is gonna make a nice thought experiment though. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 4, 2019 17:11:20 GMT
Upon further consideration, Tom seems to like making map-like drawings. He could have easily drawn this from scratch. Looking at that comic again there's two panels that could be interpreted as parallels and meridians like the ones in the branches on that other page. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Jan 4, 2019 17:42:40 GMT
Yeah but if the major red spots are the trees... Wasn't the one that was Robot's arm in the middle of the park? I'm under the impression that the top-most red spot is the one with the park in it, since it has large blocks that could easily contain a park, and they said in Residential that they were heading further into the court to go on the camping trip. By this same kind of guesswork, I'm guessing the smaller red spot closest to the compass rose is where Jones landed. The square inside the red zone there looks like that zoomed-out shot we got of the area of her crater. Also, for being grown from the Seed Bismuth, this layout is a lot more hectic, built willy-nilly London-like than ordered squares New York City-like. I expected more the latter given the speculation before about how a bismuth crystal grows. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Jan 4, 2019 20:48:29 GMT
I caught myself trying to see a face in the map, like this was some "TOM MARVOLO RIDDLE" mystery business. Time to put the ol' foil chapeau in the hatbox and take an early weekend.
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Post by Per on Jan 4, 2019 20:49:45 GMT
We've known for the longest time that the sun rises from the woods relative to the Court so that tallies with the compass. I interpret that page in the opposite way: we're seeing the Court from the ravine (the boundary being visible at the bottom) with the first light of dawn in the east. I've always thought of left in today's page as being "upstream" and "north", though I couldn't say if this is for any particular reason. (The way the moon is shown to flip around in chapter 1 suggests this as well, assuming it's just not randomly inserted in some panels.)If one of the rectangley things in today's page is indeed the very large Young's Park, then I would think "district" is a more suitable term than "block". Edittoselfcorrect: On reflection the moon thing does not indicate what I thought it did, if anything it supports the orientation given in today's page (but it could also be randomly inserted). |
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Post by tustin2121 on Jan 4, 2019 22:20:45 GMT
We've known for the longest time that the sun rises from the woods relative to the Court so that tallies with the compass. I interpret that page in the opposite way: we're seeing the Court from the ravine (the boundary being visible at the bottom) with the first light of dawn in the east. I've always thought of left in today's page as being "upstream" and "north", though I couldn't say if this is for any particular reason. (The way the moon is shown to flip around in chapter 1 suggests this as well, assuming it's just not randomly inserted in some panels.)If one of the rectangley things in today's page is indeed the very large Young's Park, then I would think "district" is a more suitable term than "block". Edittoselfcorrect: On reflection the moon thing does not indicate what I thought it did, if anything it supports the orientation given in today's page (but it could also be randomly inserted). Hey, yeah, the page imaginaryfriend links shows the dawn after a long night, with the sun rising over the court from the perspective of flying over the ravine... but this map shows that the forest is due east, which would mean the sun should be rising over the forest.... I'm very confused now... |
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Post by Per on Jan 4, 2019 22:28:23 GMT
The easiest way to resolve it is probably to say the only reason we see the light at the horizon there is because it's the only part of the horizon not obscured by clouds. There are a lot of night scenes showing a uniformly bright horizon.
Editagain: Although the second panel does show a horizontal gradient suggesting directionality, not just a vertical one.
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Post by Eve Swann on Jan 4, 2019 23:11:13 GMT
I caught myself trying to see a face in the map, like this was some "TOM MARVOLO RIDDLE" mystery business. Time to put the ol' foil chapeau in the hatbox and take an early weekend. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 28.420000000000073px; height: 2.9200000000000017px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63264696" scrolling="no" width="28.420000000000073" height="2.9200000000000017"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 28.42px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1356px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_14512111" scrolling="no" width="28.420000000000073" height="2.9200000000000017"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 28.42px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 87px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_86835437" scrolling="no" width="28.420000000000073" height="2.9200000000000017"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 28.42px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1356px; top: 87px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35936472" scrolling="no" width="28.420000000000073" height="2.9200000000000017"></iframe> It kinda looks like ET's face.  |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jan 4, 2019 23:17:23 GMT
Right in the middle there, there's a red block directly adjacent to a green block. I'd think, in the interest of safety protocols, ALL red blocks should be surrounded by a perimeter of at least one yellow block before a green zone can be declared. Let's ask the bald guy, or that big guy, with all the muscles, whats-his-face-again, about their safety protocols! If you look at the green border you'll see that it connects a pretty large splotch of green to the rest of the Court. They're probably spending a lot of manpower and resources to keep the area from becoming isolated. |
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Post by todd on Jan 5, 2019 0:13:40 GMT
There's got to be a reason, to why they've stuck around a hostile neighbor, for so long. That's most likely it - that their experiments will only work next to Gilltie Wood. (With the unfortunate drawback that those experiments are a major reason for Gilltie Wood's hostility.) |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 5, 2019 0:59:16 GMT
As I said in a previous thread, it would be impossible for either the Court and the Wood to exist in real space in modern UK. All the territory was mapped and measured to the inch, even before satellite imaging was a thing. There is no way a virgin forest like Gillitie Forest would be ignored, it would be a Mecca for hikers, ecologists and nature lovers, and when people started to die there, both the media and the government would take notice... and there is no way the Court could conceal that even if they worked with the UK government... the relatives of lost visitors wouldn't shut up so easily...
As for the Court, there is no way the UK government would tolerate a powerful self-governed city-state like that to exist unhindered. Where are the British administration's observers and overseers?
I'm quite sure the Court and the Forest exist in some sort of pocket dimension. The Court may be officially registered as a private school so their students get real degrees, but they probably keep some facade using holograms and such to trick the government into believing they are a normal boarding school in the countryside...
I think you were taking me too literally. Of course the Court can't actually exist in the real world.... I was just speculating about where it would be located if somehow it could (eg, by putting it in a parallel dimension)... |
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