|
|
Post by Runningflame on Sept 6, 2018 16:14:39 GMT
Never thought I'd say this, but I wouldn't trust this offer unless it came from Coyote. I don't think Loup is as powerful as he thinks he is (case in point, his failure to maintain Coyote's etheric network; another case in point if we assume he's bluffing about the shield). He might be able to swat the psychopomps away from Annie, but I bet he'd end up causing some terrible unintended consequences at the same time.
|
|
|
|
Post by Eve Swann on Sept 6, 2018 18:20:06 GMT
Never thought I'd say this, but I wouldn't trust this offer unless it came from Coyote. I don't think Loup is as powerful as he thinks he is (case in point, his failure to maintain Coyote's etheric network; another case in point if we assume he's bluffing about the shield). He might be able to swat the psychopomps away from Annie, but I bet he'd end up causing some terrible unintended consequences at the same time. If he swatted them all away, I imagine souls would have trouble finding their way without someone to guide them "on" while the pomps recovered. Who knows what kind of problems that would cause. |
|
|
|
Post by zbeeblebrox on Sept 7, 2018 3:43:29 GMT
"The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less." <-- the maxim I'm hoping Annie is thinking of while hearing this crap.
This whole interaction reminds me a lot of when she encountered the fraud seed bismuth. It will be interesting to see how she handles this.
|
|
|
|
Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 7, 2018 7:04:11 GMT
[...] Is that a connection? Sounds to me like they're connected somehow. You're making lots of speculations and I think that's pretty interesting, but I don't really understand what you think today's page proves. "Coyote is a very powerful being who swims in the ether and the RotD is part of the ether" is definitely true, but we already knew that last year. The possibility that Coyote talks to the ghosts exists, but it's not any more probable now than it was six months ago. I'm just confused. It's a bit nuanced, I'll grant. I'll try to simplify. While it's true that "other departments were affected" the damage was primarily to the RotD. We don't know that. We assumed it, because we heard about the damage from the RotD. But now it seems like the Forest was hit very hard too, and was only preserved because Coyote held it together. I think what Coyote is perceiving in that panel is damage to the ether as a whole. *That* is the big revelation of this page, in my eyes: all of the etheric world was broken by Diego's device. And The RotD is a part of that, but the damage goes far, far beyond it. And now all Loup can do to keep the entire Forest from crumbling is to time-freeze the whole place. It's possible this is just the center of the explosion and it will spread even beyond the Forest. I won't say that's impossible but if it really could break the Gunnerverse I'm not sure even Diego would have used it. I believe that branches were always part of who and what Coyote is* and they were created in Gillite when he arrived, either by virtue of his arrival of as a condition required for same, somewhat before Diego even began to plot. I believe that because of the way Coyote described himself way back in Ch. 20 and how he (and more recently "Loup") can appear and disappear by taking up or leaving behind rocks or trees (or earth, or whatever) and how Coyote can be both the Goose, the Goose Wife, the bush and the lake at the same time. Ysengrin once described Coyote as the river on which his (Ys') body and soul are carried, and because of the specific defects that happen when Coyote gives gifts. *There are several possible ways of looking at the branches and they may not be mutually exclusive; "Loup" seems to be saying that the branches are/were something distinct from Coyote but 1. the illustration of that page seems to show integration between Coyote and the branches, 2. "Loup" doesn't seem to be able to control them so he may not understand them as well as he thinks and 3. like I said before there are other references in the comic to Coyote being part of nature. |
|
fjodorii
Full Member
It just does, ok?
Posts: 134
|
Post by fjodorii on Sept 7, 2018 7:32:14 GMT
Coyote is drawn in an Egyptian style and Annie is shown as a mummy amid the pomps who guide the dead past/through the RotD (which is a big theme in egyptian religion). I am sure panel 2 offers clues, but what exactly?
|
|
|
|
Post by todd on Sept 7, 2018 12:39:43 GMT
I won't say that's impossible but if it really could break the Gunnerverse I'm not sure even Diego would have used it. That's assuming Diego knew the arrow would do that. As I mentioned above, it's entirely possible that he wasn't aware of the side effects. I find myself thinking of the passage in C. S. Lewis's "The Magician's Nephew" about "Uncle Andrew... was working with things he did not really understand; most magicians are" when thinking over his crafting and using that arrow (in fact, the Court leadership, both in the Founders' time and in the present, reminds me a lot of Lewis's scientist-villains - Andrew Ketterley, Weston in "Out of the Silent Planet", N.I.C.E. in "That Hideous Strength" - in its arrogant readiness to sacrifice morality for the sake of achieving its goals.) |
|
|
|
Post by warrl on Sept 7, 2018 19:06:30 GMT
This is an offer Annie may be tempted to consider. Note how she's depicted turned away, face hidden, in the last panel? Note how she's shoving burning hair toward Loup's nose in the last panel? Have you ever smelled burning hair? |
|
