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Post by csj on Aug 3, 2018 15:33:45 GMT
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Post by donna on Aug 3, 2018 16:00:21 GMT
I'm wondering now how the story will proceed from here. Loup has issued a threat against the Court - if Annie doesn't agree to stay in the Woods, he'll presumably renew his attack upon it. If Annie gives in (and the alternative is certainly unpleasant enough that she might have to, unless she can find a third option), that ends the comic in a recognizable form, since it's specifically about Annie's time at the Court, and there are still too many loose ends for it to end now. The "third option" seems like the best hope for the story to continue (at least, without renaming the comic) - though finding one will be difficult. People have suggested using Reynardine's body-hopping ability to defeat Loup, but given how Annie and Reynardine feel about it (it would mean the death of Loup, and whatever's left of Ysengrin), I don't think either would want to solve the problem that way - not unless everything else had been tried and failed. (The Court probably wouldn't be keen on it either, fearing that it would result in Rey - whom it fears and distrusts - now in Loup's powerful body, and outside any semblance of control.) Using Coyote's tooth to kill Loup would probably also not appeal to Annie. But I've the feeling that there aren't any non-violent options left to handle Loup; they may wind up having to kill him, followed by Annie mourning that it had to come to this. (If they do solve the Loup problem with Reynardine's body-hopping ability, this could be used to write Rey out of the story. People have noticed that he hardly ever shows up any more, suggesting that Tom may have run out of ideas on what to do with him; in that case, removing him might be the best option.) The "it's too dangerous for Annie to meet with Loup" argument now looks much more valid - though that again raises the question of what the right solution for solving the problem is. But he didn’t say she could not visit the court. As forest medium, she can live in the forest as the citizen she is but still visit the court. But she can’t be a student anymore. We have certainly swapped Annie for Jeanne but Annie might be less miserable than Jeanne was. Maybe? But Jones!? Will Tom leave her there forever? Is Jones the first unnatural death? |
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Post by Trillium on Aug 3, 2018 16:03:12 GMT
Really hoping she turns this promise around on him now, and extends the terms of 'hurt' to emotional damage at seeing her friends in danger, etc. The world's most dangerous game of goalpost shifting ensues. She's called Coyote on BS before so I really hope something similar happens (please?) I reread that chapter and the chapter after it. There's interesting info on Coyote, Ysengrin, Jones and the ether. As for Jones being the first unnatural death, I don't think she actually alive. At least she doesn't think she's alive. How can a stone be alive? |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 3, 2018 16:38:06 GMT
I'm a little wary of how strongly this feels like the endgame of the comic. I really feel like the main, overarching theme of GKC, the theme that undercuts everything and every character, is the choice between religion (or nature) and science (or industry). And Annie is quite literally being asked to make that very choice on today's page. It just seems like something that should happen at the end, not at a time when there are dozens of complex plot threads to wrap up and years of school left for Annie. I won't say I'm worried, but...
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Post by razgrizx on Aug 3, 2018 18:14:14 GMT
Coyote loved her? That sounds...hard to believe
At best, in Coyote's twisted mind, maybe he saw him seeing Annie as interesting as "loving" her
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Post by novia on Aug 3, 2018 19:42:10 GMT
Wait, Loup claimed Coyote loved her? OK, that shot up a red flag. I don't think it is any more appropriate to say Coyote loves/loved someone than it is to say the wind loves someone. I think Loup is being cynically manipulative. This comes across to me like the stink off a load of crap, sorry to be crude. Coyote loved her? That sounds...hard to believe At best, in Coyote's twisted mind, maybe he saw him seeing Annie as interesting as "loving" her |
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Post by antiyonder on Aug 3, 2018 20:23:06 GMT
Wait, Loup claimed Coyote loved her? OK, that shot up a red flag. I don't think it is any more appropriate to say Coyote loves/loved someone than it is to say the wind loves someone. I think Loup is being cynically manipulative. This comes across to me like the stink off a load of crap, sorry to be crude. Coyote loved her? That sounds...hard to believe At best, in Coyote's twisted mind, maybe he saw him seeing Annie as interesting as "loving" her Alternatively/Additionally, it could be Coyote/Loup (Ysengrin's feeling are for another possible debate) confusing lust and love. Or he/they just want to do their own rendition of Twilight with Annie being his Bella and he/they being Edward Cullen. |
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Post by todd on Aug 4, 2018 0:00:34 GMT
I think that Annie would have to recognize that giving in to Loup's demands won't do her or the Court any good; he'll just keep using that threat over and over to control her, forcing the Court and everyone in it into a permanent "hostage status".
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Post by novia on Aug 4, 2018 0:08:18 GMT
Alternatively/Additionally, it could be Coyote/Loup (Ysengrin's feeling are for another possible debate) confusing lust and love. Or he/they just want to do their own rendition of Twilight with Annie being his Bella and he/they being Edward Cullen. I've seen no indication that lust is involved, except for 1) the part where Antimony's mom purposefully led Reynardine on 2) people in the forum |
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Post by razgrizx on Aug 4, 2018 0:57:55 GMT
Wait, Loup claimed Coyote loved her? OK, that shot up a red flag. I don't think it is any more appropriate to say Coyote loves/loved someone than it is to say the wind loves someone. I think Loup is being cynically manipulative. This comes across to me like the stink off a load of crap, sorry to be crude. Coyote loved her? That sounds...hard to believe At best, in Coyote's twisted mind, maybe he saw him seeing Annie as interesting as "loving" her Yeah, this is not too far from my interpretation. He "loved" her because she entertained him basically so at least Loup is not lying. I guess he's no liar just like Coyote |
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Post by darlos9d on Aug 5, 2018 5:11:55 GMT
Annie's already dealt with one father figure (her actual father) putting her in a box. I get the feeling she's not going to take too well to the idea this second time around.
Interesting y'all linking the part of the comic where Coyote straight up seems to chastise said actual father for doing exactly that. Loup really is some sort of new creature.
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Post by feraldog on Aug 5, 2018 7:14:25 GMT
Annie's already dealt with one father figure (her actual father) putting her in a box. I get the feeling she's not going to take too well to the idea this second time around. Interesting y'all linking the part of the comic where Coyote straight up seems to chastise said actual father for doing exactly that. Loup really is some sort of new creature. I think Coyote has no problem being a hypocrite, and by extension neither does Loup. |
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Post by todd on Aug 5, 2018 12:55:41 GMT
I'm a little wary of how strongly this feels like the endgame of the comic. I really feel like the main, overarching theme of GKC, the theme that undercuts everything and every character, is the choice between religion (or nature) and science (or industry). And Annie is quite literally being asked to make that very choice on today's page. I wonder if this is really about that choice - or if it's more simply possessiveness masquerading as love, that Loup just wants Annie and that the ideological differences between Gilltie Wood and Gunnerkrigg Court are only incidental to his demands. The real culmination of that theme may be, not the clashes between the Wood and the Forest, but the robot religion, where creations of science develop a religion, uniting the two. (Though that's been more Kat's thread than Annie's.) |
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Post by netherdan on Aug 6, 2018 11:48:17 GMT
The real culmination of that theme may be, not the clashes between the Wood and the Forest, but the robot religion, where creations of science develop a religion, uniting the two. (Though that's been more Kat's thread than Annie's.) Tengen Toppa Katerina Donlan will defeat Loup |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 6, 2018 16:28:44 GMT
I'm a little wary of how strongly this feels like the endgame of the comic. I really feel like the main, overarching theme of GKC, the theme that undercuts everything and every character, is the choice between religion (or nature) and science (or industry). And Annie is quite literally being asked to make that very choice on today's page. Yes, but Court and Forest both want their subjects to make that choice all the time. The Court already tried more than once to force Annie to side with them once and for all (by choosing Andrew as the medium, by getting Anthony back...). Personally I feel like we have reached a climax, but not the endgame. |
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