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Post by todd on Jul 21, 2018 12:39:40 GMT
One unfortunate consequence if Ysengrin really is dead: we get no resolution to the conflict inside him between his anger at the human race and his developing fatherly feelings for Annie. The latter is, of course, what leads Annie to go out to the Woods in the hopes of reasoning with Ysengrin (not realizing that he's become an entirely new figure), but I'm hoping there will be more to that than just a way to get her to do that.
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 21, 2018 20:40:01 GMT
Hmm. Ysengrin's curled-up sleeping form on this page looks a lot like Renard's curled up sleeping form on this page. I wonder if that means something. |
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Post by jda on Jul 22, 2018 14:50:44 GMT
Hmm. Ysengrin's curled-up sleeping form on this page looks a lot like Renard's curled up sleeping form on this page. I wonder if that means something. I think you mean www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=678, where yes,we see a lifeless form, NOT DEAD But WAITING. |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 23, 2018 11:54:50 GMT
Coyote is dead, in the same sense that Lorkhan is dead. Tiber Septim has mantled him and became Talos and Ysengrin mantled Coyote and has become Loup. Namely the exact level of being "dead" is quite debatable. Is Talos functionally different from Shor/Lorkhan? We can see another example in Brandon Sanderson's books. How much of Harmony is Sazed and how much is just the fusion of two gods? I don't think that we know the exact level of Coyote-ness or the lack thereof, nor do we know while Coyote is stronger than Ysengrin. My hypothesis: Loup is a gestalt, but is casting himself purposefully as the Big Bad Wolf to draw upon modern belief/retellings of the Wolf story. Coyote hardly had the level of devotion that he once did, but Loup certainly can grow in power. Sounds good. The trickster God Coyote seemingly gave Ysengrin the ability to absorb him and all his power. Ysengrin seems to have taken the bait and turned on Coyote and by "eating" him, transformed into Loup who is flexing his muscles. Annie is now dealing with Loup. If Annie has to "kill" Loup, Coyote has given her the tool to do so. Loup is missing a tooth. Look at that wide open mouth on the last page. Annie has or owns that tooth. Reynard may bring it to her. She might end up stabbing Loup and returning Coyote. Or she gives Loup the tooth which he puts in his mouth and Coyote becomes the dominant personality and returns. No matter how this goes Ysengrin will come out worse for the experience. Coyote is off to the side somewhere watching and eating popcorn. This is such a beautifully drawn page! Except... the tooth Coyote pulled to make the giggle blade came from his upper right jaw: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=686 not the lower left (where Loup seems to be missing one). Weird. Agreed tho, the tooth-knife may play a role in all this... |
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Post by netherdan on Jul 23, 2018 12:26:24 GMT
Sounds good. The trickster God Coyote seemingly gave Ysengrin the ability to absorb him and all his power. Ysengrin seems to have taken the bait and turned on Coyote and by "eating" him, transformed into Loup who is flexing his muscles. Annie is now dealing with Loup. If Annie has to "kill" Loup, Coyote has given her the tool to do so. Loup is missing a tooth. Look at that wide open mouth on the last page. Annie has or owns that tooth. Reynard may bring it to her. She might end up stabbing Loup and returning Coyote. Or she gives Loup the tooth which he puts in his mouth and Coyote becomes the dominant personality and returns. No matter how this goes Ysengrin will come out worse for the experience. Coyote is off to the side somewhere watching and eating popcorn. This is such a beautifully drawn page! Except... the tooth Coyote pulled to make the giggle blade came from his upper right jaw: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=686 not the lower left (where Loup seems to be missing one). Weird. Agreed tho, the tooth-knife may play a role in all this... Now that you mentioned it, I noticed that the missing tooth was represented in all but the upper right corner. Maybe it's just a conceptual hint for Annie (a Coyote's way to communicate with her) |
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Post by todd on Jul 23, 2018 12:44:46 GMT
One snag about the tooth: Annie came to Gilltie Woods on a diplomatic mission. Traditionally, you're not supposed to go armed on one of those, and bringing a weapon along with her in secret would be an act of bad faith. So would she have taken the knife with her?
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Post by warrl on Jul 23, 2018 13:46:15 GMT
Annie is the Forest's medium, not the Court's. In theory she's there to consult with her boss, and she's in her own territory. Why shouldn't she be armed?
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Post by fia on Jul 23, 2018 17:35:12 GMT
One snag about the tooth: Annie came to Gilltie Woods on a diplomatic mission. Traditionally, you're not supposed to go armed on one of those, and bringing a weapon along with her in secret would be an act of bad faith. So would she have taken the knife with her? Adding to what warrl said, I also think that diplomats often travel with bodyguards. And in Annie's case, hers was launched into space, so if she were armed as a backup, I'd say she'd be able to justify it. |
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