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Post by Runningflame on Jun 26, 2018 17:52:18 GMT
This is why I freaking love Jones. You won't be getting any easy answers from her, no-sirree. And now we know what does Jones do, when she does not know what to do with her hands.....She crushes rock. It's interesting to see Jones this way; she almost seems... nervous. I think she gets uncomfortable whenever someone challenges her supposed neutrality. Hmm, yes. Especially with her saying "irrelevant" to Annie's "keen observation" about her. It's like she doesn't think the focus should be on her... or doesn't want the focus on her??? "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"? |
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 26, 2018 19:43:19 GMT
Jones makes a really great advisor (emotionally and otherwise), in that she is absurdly good at telling you what OTHER people are thinking, or would think. Being able to read the confusing, constantly changing mess of emotions that is the human psyche is what she's had to constantly practice for thousands of years. Any sort of question about what SHE is thinking, however, does seem to pretty consistently get this reaction. I suspect that's because of all the really scary, dangerous questions that could get asked (and probably have been asked, very, very, often) if people start thinking about her too much. For instance, "how do you even function, without emotions?", "why exactly did you choose to be a 'neutral observer'?", "just what are you, in relation to humans?", "should we even be treating you as a person?", "should YOU even be treating US as people?" I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of ways such lines of questioning could end well for everyone, but if I were Jones, I'd probably want to avoid that risk at any cost.
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Post by davidm on Jun 26, 2018 19:59:19 GMT
Jones in my opinion does not want her opinion to interfere with people developing their own opinions. She does not want her words being treated as "word of god", ultimate answers, because she has lived through every human lifespan and more.
"or is it that Jones knows something Annie doesn't about what happens when souls are returned to the Ether?" We know that Mort and similar have option to "live" on with superpowers such as shape shifting and never "growing old" as a ghost, what many people would consider super wonderful. Psychopomps could be claimed to be evil vampire like beings that destroy the future lives of humans in order to feed own power, and Annie is their unwitting tool.
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Post by ohthatone on Jun 26, 2018 20:07:38 GMT
Hmm, yes. Especially with her saying "irrelevant" to Annie's "keen observation" about her. It's like she doesn't think the focus should be on her... or doesn't want the focus on her??? "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"? well, she has no desire for anything more |
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Post by Eversist on Jun 26, 2018 20:25:55 GMT
*sees Tom's twitter* Why is he explaining Jones going through the shield? *reads main page comments* Oh. not to be a snot about it but I thought it was pretty self evident what was going on. Then again, I was also one of the Reasonable Gunnerkrigg Readers that didn't know Winsbury and Janet's relationship was still a secret. Same. It's been portrayed as a dome, I thought. I have an awful short-term memory, and yet... My favorite part is that they've been referred to as butterfly wings, testicles, orbs, ovals, white, bluish, orange, pink, and violet/purple. I'd say violet/purple, personally. -- Maybe she's moving rubble around to check for anything trapped underneath. |
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Post by clover on Jun 27, 2018 0:03:42 GMT
Jones is methodically checking for anything or anyone trapped in the rubble.
Jones is also being a very good teacher, and being very forthright about Annie's attempt to soundboard off of and/or get some sense of validation of her personal decisions. Jones is rather unique in that she has absolutely no social conditioning present that would make her try to kindly deflect or play into this young girl's hunting for validation, but this is her condition for being, and it's a good and consistent thing, despite how it frustrates Annie.
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Post by todd on Jun 27, 2018 0:14:31 GMT
Same. It's been portrayed as a dome, I thought. I have an awful short-term memory, and yet... Some of the more recent posts in the Comments Section suggested that Tom could have made it clearer that they were passing through the dome (it's likely, also, that the scene where Kat was sending objects through the dome to test it was far enough back that people had forgotten it - especially with everything else that had happened in between - and so didn't recognize what was happening). It was unfortunate, since it resulted in distracting a lot of the attention from the conversation going on - clearly what was intended as the most important part of the page. (I wonder whether Tom could modify the third panel in the book version of this page to make it less potentially confusing.) |
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Post by netherdan on Jun 27, 2018 12:28:39 GMT
Maybe I'm a little late for the speculation, but comparing the X-rays in that page's panel 4 to the Jones we see I noticed that Jones' hair grows. And a question came to me: how does she cut it? I'm assuming by the same x-rays that every part of her body has the same density and consequently the same resistance and also I'm assuming that no physical instrument managed to hurt her so far... So, does she just shapeshift her hand to scissors or did Coyote give her a giggling one? What if she can't be harmed by etherical instruments/beings too? Will she protect Annie if Coywolf attacks her or will she just keep being neutral? |
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 27, 2018 19:09:13 GMT
Maybe I'm a little late for the speculation, but comparing the X-rays in that page's panel 4 to the Jones we see I noticed that Jones' hair grows. And a question came to me: how does she cut it? I'm assuming by the same x-rays that every part of her body has the same density and consequently the same resistance and also I'm assuming that no physical instrument managed to hurt her so far... So, does she just shapeshift her hand to scissors or did Coyote give her a giggling one? What if she can't be harmed by etherical instruments/beings too? Will she protect Annie if Coywolf attacks her or will she just keep being neutral? Here's a simpler explanation: art inconsistency. Any part of Jones' body is incapable of being permanently damaged, INCLUDING her hair. I have no idea how she would have curled her hair, considering curling involves bending/breaking chemical bonds of hair with heat. I would very much like to see Jones vs. Coyote's Giggle Blade. Whether she can be affected by etherical objects/beings has been a point of mild debate in the forums recently. |
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Post by Per on Jun 27, 2018 19:43:41 GMT
She's probably lying down in a full body scanner and her hair is escaping to the side, but even if she's not, a couple of hairbands would account for the same effect.
ETA: The early pages of The Stone gives several examples of cutless hairstylage.
ETA 2: Good point on hair curlage, maybe she could simulate it using little tubes, but probably an oversight on Tom's part.
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Post by Runningflame on Jun 28, 2018 3:28:00 GMT
Maybe I'm a little late for the speculation, but comparing the X-rays in that page's panel 4 to the Jones we see I noticed that Jones' hair grows. And a question came to me: how does she cut it? I'm assuming by the same x-rays that every part of her body has the same density and consequently the same resistance and also I'm assuming that no physical instrument managed to hurt her so far... So, does she just shapeshift her hand to scissors or did Coyote give her a giggling one? What if she can't be harmed by etherical instruments/beings too? Will she protect Annie if Coywolf attacks her or will she just keep being neutral? Here's a simpler explanation: art inconsistency. Any part of Jones' body is incapable of being permanently damaged, INCLUDING her hair. I have no idea how she would have curled her hair, considering curling involves bending/breaking chemical bonds of hair with heat. I would very much like to see Jones vs. Coyote's Giggle Blade. Whether she can be affected by etherical objects/beings has been a point of mild debate in the forums recently. Maybe she wears wigs. (Yeah, it's probably art inconsistency.) Speaking of the first page you linked, here's something: "I have little or no imagination." IF we take that statement at face value, then a question like "Would you have set her free?" is probably not something Jones can even conceptualize, given that it involves quite a few counterfactual suppositions. (Of course, even Annie doubts her other statement, "no capacity for emotional connection," so who knows how accurate/exaggerated those denials really are.) |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 28, 2018 9:50:14 GMT
Jones in my opinion does not want her opinion to interfere with people developing their own opinions. She does not want her words being treated as "word of god", ultimate answers, because she has lived through every human lifespan and more. |
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Post by netherdan on Jun 28, 2018 12:08:29 GMT
Here's a simpler explanation: art inconsistency. Any part of Jones' body is incapable of being permanently damaged, INCLUDING her hair. I have no idea how she would have curled her hair, considering curling involves bending/breaking chemical bonds of hair with heat. Or maybe, as her entire body seems to be made of the same stuff, she could just wish her hair curled the same way she wishes her arms moving or her lips and internal air sacks coordinating to form words. She may be just a pile of indestructable colored clay  She's probably lying down in a full body scanner and her hair is escaping to the side, but even if she's not, a couple of hairbands would account for the same effect. ETA: The early pages of The Stone gives several examples of cutless hairstylage. ETA 2: Good point on hair curlage, maybe she could simulate it using little tubes, but probably an oversight on Tom's part. I can see how lying sideways would give this topside view. For some reason I was imagining her standing and that blocked my reasoning, I think that clears any inconsistencies, so thanks! |
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 28, 2018 14:02:19 GMT
Jones in my opinion does not want her opinion to interfere with people developing their own opinions. She does not want her words being treated as "word of god", ultimate answers, because she has lived through every human lifespan and more. It's true she doesn't want her opinion to affect others' decisions. And yet, as pyradonis points out, her main job is to be a consultant to the Court. Why would she even take that job? She claims it's in exchange for a safe place to stay, but Coyote suggests that she may secretly enjoy it. It's been implied before that one of her few secret pleasures is prodding people gently to see what they will do. |
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Post by Runningflame on Jun 28, 2018 16:53:58 GMT
That fits. Her main self-chosen role is observer, which inevitably creates an observer's paradox: you can't observe people's behavior without affecting their behavior, by virtue of you being there observing them. Also, in science, sometimes you can find out the properties of a thing by poking it. |
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