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Post by davidm on Jun 13, 2018 20:41:21 GMT
I think Panel 3 might be the first time we have seen Tony look genuinely scared. I don't think it is scared. Tony keeps his emotions carefully under wraps. I would guess he has his dark side that he carefully suppresses and it is not fear but more likely anger. When someone yells in your face who has not liked you for long long time, normal reaction is anger back and normal "calm" humans have to put in effort to keep the calm. |
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Post by fia on Jun 13, 2018 23:23:05 GMT
Wait, anyone with time on their hands wanna tell me when Eggs started referring to Annie as 'Annie' instead of 'Carver'?
Is she only not Carver here because Tony is?
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Post by crater on Jun 13, 2018 23:34:46 GMT
please stop yelling Eggars you.... you are scaring the children ;_;
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Post by yinglung on Jun 13, 2018 23:55:07 GMT
Umm... did Jones just disappear in panels 6 and 7? Look at panel one. Jones is behind and to the right of Eggers in 6 and 7. |
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Post by Aurelia Verity on Jun 14, 2018 0:01:00 GMT
Unpopular(?) opinion: I have in fact NOT been eagerly awaiting the inevitable Tony/Eggs fight scene, and now that it's happening I just want it to end. Also, Eglamore looks older with every panel. Also also, what are the chances that Annie is listening on the other side of the door right now? Also also also, I think James needs to be reminded that A) Annie isn't his daughter, and B) Annie isn't Surma. But with that being said, I think Scrambled Eggs' reaction to this whole thing is the most realistic so far. Carver and Jones are allowing Annie to waltz off into horrible danger and they're being awfully glib about it. Over Easy is the voice of reason here. The aggressive, shouty, yelly voice of reason. But still. For some reason I felt like Eglamore is going to angrily blurt out some secret/plot twist on Friday. Either that or he's going to pick a fight with Anthony, and either Tony is going to surprisingly manage to kick his ass across dimensions, or Annie is going to burst onto the scene and save her dad with some fire. I have called it. Yea, i think both Tony and Eglamore are just touchy enough to start firing off plot developments left, right and center. Although I think that the chapter may end with Annie simply coming though the door in her Princess Mononoke get-up rendering all their arguments moot. If Annie wants to go to the forest and parley with Coyotegrin no one can stop her. She is a citizen of the forest. The court and those in it can try to dissuade her but they can't do much more then that. Keeping her in the Court by force will produce waaay more complications in an already fragile environment. I think Jones (and possibly Tony) are wise to the fact that politically it's actually better to have her freely walk out and show she is not being detained in any way. Jones/Tony may not want her to be used as an excuse for further conflict. |
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Post by todd on Jun 14, 2018 0:11:08 GMT
Yea, i think both Tony and Eglamore are just touchy enough to start firing off plot developments left, right and center. Which would certainly be bad timing, in light of the danger facing the entire Court. Someone (maybe Jones) ought to point out to them that if they have to renew their old quarrel, could they please wait until after the problem with Ysengrin has been resolved - with a tone of "if you borrow one another's love for the instant, you may, when you hear no more words of Ysengrin, return it again: you shall have time to wrangle in when you have nothing else to do". |
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Post by Runningflame on Jun 14, 2018 1:58:23 GMT
Umm... did Jones just disappear in panels 6 and 7? Look at panel one. Jones is behind and to the right of Eggers in 6 and 7. Except she's not behind and to the right of Eggers in 7, because (based on the "camera" angle) we would be able to see her if she were behind and to the right of him. Unless she's hiding behind him. (Which is possible; as previously established, she's rather small and he's rather large.) |
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Post by yinglung on Jun 14, 2018 2:33:12 GMT
Look at panel one. Jones is behind and to the right of Eggers in 6 and 7. Except she's not behind and to the right of Eggers in 7, because (based on the "camera" angle) we would be able to see her if she were behind and to the right of him. Unless she's hiding behind him. (Which is possible; as previously established, she's rather small and he's rather large.) This is my best guess, using the most advanced analytical software available:  Please note the position of Parley in the first and sixth panels. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 14, 2018 4:17:30 GMT
Eglamore will probably elaborate on his argument on Friday, but here's my take on it:
1. Tony is suspicious as hell, because as far as Eggers is concerned, he's just that way by default.
2. Months ago, back when the Forest's attitude towards the Court seemed to be more PEACEFUL and ACCEPTING than ever before, Tony was so determined to keep Annie out of the Forest that it took Coyote to intimidate and coerce him into changing his mind.
3. Now, at exactly the moment when the Forest is more DANGEROUS than before, Tony's immediately ready and willing to let her walk into the heart of said danger, with exactly zero objections.
Conclusion: Tony has his own mysterious goals which he is trying to accomplish here, and those goals do not involve Annie's safety at all, and could even be working contrary to her safety. So, Tony is the biggest threat to Annie right now, and thus totally worth yelling at angrily.
Note that I don't agree with this at all, but that seems to be what Eglamore's thinking right now. It's actually a pretty good rationalization for him to have to finally cut loose on Tony, all things considered.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jun 14, 2018 6:39:23 GMT
To be fair to Tony, when he asked Jones for her input, that was literally a second thought.
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Post by netherdan on Jun 14, 2018 12:19:11 GMT
Except she's not behind and to the right of Eggers in 7, because (based on the "camera" angle) we would be able to see her if she were behind and to the right of him. Unless she's hiding behind him. (Which is possible; as previously established, she's rather small and he's rather large.) This is my best guess, using the most advanced analytical software available: Please note the position of Parley in the first and sixth panels. She just slowly backed away from the big angry guy that looks suspiciously like Eglamore |
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Post by todd on Jun 14, 2018 12:41:21 GMT
Look at panel one. Jones is behind and to the right of Eggers in 6 and 7. Except she's not behind and to the right of Eggers in 7, because (based on the "camera" angle) we would be able to see her if she were behind and to the right of him. Unless she's hiding behind him. (Which is possible; as previously established, she's rather small and he's rather large.) Maybe it's just the visual version of one of Tom's typos (except much harder to fix once the readers point it out). |
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Post by todd on Jun 14, 2018 13:01:13 GMT
Eglamore will probably elaborate on his argument on Friday, but here's my take on it: 1. Tony is suspicious as hell, because as far as Eggers is concerned, he's just that way by default. 2. Months ago, back when the Forest's attitude towards the Court seemed to be more PEACEFUL and ACCEPTING than ever before, Tony was so determined to keep Annie out of the Forest that it took Coyote to intimidate and coerce him into changing his mind. 3. Now, at exactly the moment when the Forest is more DANGEROUS than before, Tony's immediately ready and willing to let her walk into the heart of said danger, with exactly zero objections. Conclusion: Tony has his own mysterious goals which he is trying to accomplish here, and those goals do not involve Annie's safety at all, and could even be working contrary to her safety. So, Tony is the biggest threat to Annie right now, and thus totally worth yelling at angrily. It would help, though, if Eglamore offered an alternate solution to the problem. If Annie meeting with Ysengrin is out of the question, that rules out diplomacy; nobody else in the Court has gotten as close to him as she has. Which leaves the Court with three options I can think of: 1. Stay behind the force field and hope that Ysengrin will lose interest (and that the force field doesn't give out). 2. Go to war with the Forest. 3. Abandon the Court entirely and return to the regular human world (if maybe with plans to find another remote site - this time without potentially hostile etheric neighbors - to resume those experiments). None of which sound appealing. Winston Churchill is reported to have described democracy as the worst form of government, except for all the other kinds. I think a similar description could be made of Annie going to see Ysengrin. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jun 14, 2018 13:42:05 GMT
Except she's not behind and to the right of Eggers in 7, because (based on the "camera" angle) we would be able to see her if she were behind and to the right of him. Unless she's hiding behind him. (Which is possible; as previously established, she's rather small and he's rather large.) This is my best guess, using the most advanced analytical software available: Eh, I just assumed she walked away when James started on Tony. |
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 14, 2018 13:48:30 GMT
I think Panel 3 might be the first time we have seen Tony look genuinely scared. I don't think it is scared. Tony keeps his emotions carefully under wraps. I would guess he has his dark side that he carefully suppresses and it is not fear but more likely anger. When someone yells in your face who has not liked you for long long time, normal reaction is anger back and normal "calm" humans have to put in effort to keep the calm. I agree, Tony does not look scared. However, Tony is NOT suppressing his emotions; he just isn't capable of expressing them normally. "Normal" humans have to put in effort to keep calm, but Tony is not a normal human (he's most likely somewhere on the Autism spectrum) and although he definitely has emotions, it takes him actual effort to express them on his face, instead of the other way around. Eggers has yelled in his face before and the only expression that briefly flitted across his face was mild surprise. |
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Post by manxy on Jun 14, 2018 14:19:46 GMT
Unpopular(?) opinion: I have in fact NOT been eagerly awaiting the inevitable Tony/Eggs fight scene, and now that it's happening I just want it to end. Also, Eglamore looks older with every panel. Also also, what are the chances that Annie is listening on the other side of the door right now? Also also also, I think James needs to be reminded that A) Annie isn't his daughter, and B) Annie isn't Surma. But with that being said, I think Scrambled Eggs' reaction to this whole thing is the most realistic so far. Carver and Jones are allowing Annie to waltz off into horrible danger and they're being awfully glib about it. Over Easy is the voice of reason here. The aggressive, shouty, yelly voice of reason. But still. For some reason I felt like Eglamore is going to angrily blurt out some secret/plot twist on Friday. Either that or he's going to pick a fight with Anthony, and either Tony is going to surprisingly manage to kick his ass across dimensions, or Annie is going to burst onto the scene and save her dad with some fire. I have called it. Couldn't agree more (with pretty much your entire second paragraph). But I also think it might be intentional contrast to Tony and Jones, one of which is historically bad at reacting the way most people would to anything, and the other isn't technically a person at all. It's like Egg's subtext is "Am I the only f***ing adult human being here right now?!" Well, yes. In a way, he is. |
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 14, 2018 18:43:27 GMT
I'd like to imagine Tony biting Eglamore's finger in the next panel.
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Post by fia on Jun 14, 2018 19:36:10 GMT
I dunno, I feel like Eglamore is kind of hypocritical to be yelling at Tony about letting Annie go into the forest, when Surma (his former girlfriend) used to do it all the time at around the same age, because both she and Annie had a similar job.
Also, consider that Eglamore was meant to be Surma's 'guardian' and even he acknowledges now he's less powerful than Jones, who is going. And Parley is going, who he has been training for something just like that job that he used to do for Surma.
On top of which: Annie is the forest medium, so even her obligations are different than Surma's. She is potentially even safer than Surma would have been in an Ysenyote-going-crazy situation.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 22, 2018 6:47:34 GMT
I dunno, I feel like Eglamore is kind of hypocritical to be yelling at Tony about letting Annie go into the forest, when Surma (his former girlfriend) used to do it all the time at around the same age, because both she and Annie had a similar job. Also, consider that Eglamore was meant to be Surma's 'guardian' and even he acknowledges now he's less powerful than Jones, who is going. And Parley is going, who he has been training for something just like that job that he used to do for Surma. On top of which: Annie is the forest medium, so even her obligations are different than Surma's. She is potentially even safer than Surma would have been in an Ysenyote-going-crazy situation. I know I'm a bit late on this one, but I just think you just gave me a good opportunity to point out something very important about Jones, which I think a lot of people are forgetting.
Eglamore probably added those specific conditions for a number of reasons, one of which is that while he can use his jumping and magic stuff to practically fly in the air, Jones is...well, she's heavy. REALLY heavy. It's kind of a touchy subject with her, actually. So in a fight, she'd have very limited mobility and no reach or ranged attacks. Despite her ridiculous strength and invulnerability, that's a pretty big disadvantage, especially right now against someone like Coyosengrin. Fia's right about her being powerful and all, but it's also pretty easy to overestimate this lady. If anything goes wrong on this mission, Jones isn't going to act like an absolute failsafe to save Annie.
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Post by Señor Goose on Jun 22, 2018 9:16:29 GMT
I'm a bit late but congrats on hitting 2000 pages Tom Siddell |
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