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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 12, 2018 20:33:12 GMT
Aaaaaand hopefully Smitty has enough LUCK to get them across a crumbling bridge. Can his etheric threads hold up giant concrete blocks? I guess we'll find out! All the giant concrete blocks fall precisely to form the giant words: "FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK" all the way across the river. |
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Post by ffkonoko on Mar 12, 2018 21:13:23 GMT
Tictocs, Parley.....SOMEONE better show up soon. Or at least alarm sirens going off soon. James made it in seconds with the beacon and he can't Bip. I fully expect to be proven wrong in the end but I'm honestly wondering if maybe what was seen, was what it appeared. Coyote underestimated what the reaction would be, and was indeed eaten, not as part of a plan. He's probably still fine, he IS a god after all, but I'd enjoy it being a crack in Coyote, him playing himself. (and he's also keeping Ysengrim from remembering that he knows that). Well...he WAS. Ysengrim pretty clearly recovered those memories a few pages back. |
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Post by hp on Mar 12, 2018 22:58:34 GMT
Tictocs, Parley.....SOMEONE better show up soon. Or at least alarm sirens going off soon. James made it in seconds with the beacon and he can't Bip. I fully expect to be proven wrong in the end but I'm honestly wondering if maybe what was seen, was what it appeared. Coyote underestimated what the reaction would be, and was indeed eaten, not as part of a plan. He's probably still fine, he IS a god after all, but I'd enjoy it being a crack in Coyote, him playing himself. (and he's also keeping Ysengrim from remembering that he knows that). Well...he WAS. Ysengrim pretty clearly recovered those memories a few pages back. Yeah, but the point is that Coyote can read Ysengrim like a map and he seems to have been grooming the wolf for that moment. He knew Y was dead set in getting his strength. He knew about Y's blind rage around vulnerability and humanity. He was around when Y was teaching Annie that she needs to show strength to be respected (when they battled those monsters). He gave Y the tree powers that made him vulnerable. etc etc... And he's been carefully editing selected memories related to those moments out of Y's brain. Then Jeanne is removed from the river and, after a remark like "Oh Ysengrim what would you do if you knew?", Coyote changes his usual behaviour and gives Y his strength. That doesn't seem like a "whim" at all |
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Post by todd on Mar 13, 2018 0:24:15 GMT
I still want to know what the Court exactly did to make Ysengrin or Coyote or Grinote (depending on the analysis of the anger-causality) so angry and vindictive. Has to be something serious to foster this kind of grudge. Until recently, the Court has always had a condescending tone in their relationship towards the Forest, but I don't think they did anything specifically against them. Humans, on the other hand, he hates for pretty much existing, being favored by Lord Coyote despite being clearly inferior. There's also the Court's experiments, including those with the ether; that would certainly seem a threat to the forest-folk, for whom the ether is at the heart of their being. We don't know whether the Court's experiments are indeed dangerous to the forest-folk or not, but I suspect Ysengrin, at least, would suspect the worst. Annie and Co. really need to (assuming Annie and Smith make it out of this alive) delve into the Court's past to get to the bottom of what began this feud and what's been fueling all the anger on Gilltie Wood's side, though it obviously won't be easy. I doubt if anyone at the Court from the Founders' time is still around. (Jones was around back then, but she doesn't seem to have been in the Court at the time.) Coyote, Ysengrin, and Renard appear to have all come to Gilltie Wood after the trouble began - and there's obviously no point in consulting the first two. Short of finding more of Diego's video records, there doesn't seem much hope. Not to mention that neither side's leadership seems inclined to sit down at the conference table and talk this out. We don't know if Coyote's gone for good or not, but even if he's not, he'd derail the peace talks (and if they tried not inviting him, he'd show up anyway). Ysengrin is now so angry as to be unreachable, and the Court's leaders look down on the forest-folk as just animals, below them. The "regular people" on both sides (like the fairies, animals, and Anwyn in the Wood, the students and teachers in the Court) are much more reasonable, but can they counter their leaders? |
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Post by Igniz on Mar 13, 2018 11:36:29 GMT
DIE, BRIDGE. YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS WORLD! By the way Prediction: Now that he knows it is no longer needed to cross the ravine, Ysengrin will demonstrate his newfound strength by destroying the bridge. Possibly with Annie and Smitty stuck on the forest side. And make a new bridge on his own terms. Well, wile checking that page, Coyote's dialogue in the last panel grabbed my attention: a) Could it be that Ysengrin was originally a human who grew "weary of his life", "yearned for something different" and "shunned his humanity"? b) Ysengrin loved one of those humans, and was either rejected or, more plausibly, said person was a victim of the Court. c) One of those humans with "new lifes" and "new bodies" did harm to the Forest and/or to someone special to Ysengrin. Any of the last two would also explain his desire for Coyote's strength, which he feels he lacked at that time. Just theories. Of course, his anger towards humans could also be a result of Coyote's manipulation and deception right from the start.  |
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Post by crater on Mar 13, 2018 14:45:37 GMT
DIE, BRIDGE. YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS WORLD! By the way Well, wile checking that page, Coyote's dialogue in the last panel grabbed my attention: a) Could it be that Ysengrin was originally a human who grew "weary of his life", "yearned for something different" and "shunned his humanity"? b) Ysengrin loved one of those humans, and was either rejected or, more plausibly, said person was a victim of the Court. c) One of those humans with "new lifes" and "new bodies" did harm to the Forest and/or to someone special to Ysengrin. Any of the last two would also explain his desire for Coyote's strength, which he feels he lacked at that time. Just theories. Of course, his anger towards humans could also be a result of Coyote's manipulation and deception right from the start. It wasn't until he had coyote's ability to see through deception did Ysen act! So Ysen had the power to eat coyote all along! He was always strong! |
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Post by Spoopy on Mar 13, 2018 15:36:03 GMT
DIE, BRIDGE. YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS WORLD! By the way Well, wile checking that page, Coyote's dialogue in the last panel grabbed my attention: a) Could it be that Ysengrin was originally a human who grew "weary of his life", "yearned for something different" and "shunned his humanity"? b) Ysengrin loved one of those humans, and was either rejected or, more plausibly, said person was a victim of the Court. c) One of those humans with "new lifes" and "new bodies" did harm to the Forest and/or to someone special to Ysengrin. Any of the last two would also explain his desire for Coyote's strength, which he feels he lacked at that time. Just theories. Of course, his anger towards humans could also be a result of Coyote's manipulation and deception right from the start. Not sure if you were being facetious or not but at least according to Coyote, Ys and Renard are legendary dogs that were around before Coyote even came to the forest. gunnerkrigg.com/?p=488I guess it's possible that Ys was a human before then, but Ys has plenty of other reasons to hate humans. |
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Post by zaferion on Mar 13, 2018 18:20:01 GMT
This chase sequence is an interesting look into where Annie's heart lies; when faced with abject danger, she makes a dash for the court rather than, say, the Anwyn or just somewhere in the forest where she could hunker down and fortify her position or whatever. Despite how much she loves the forest, the Court is where she feels safe, the Court is her home. I mean, especially since there's a raging Ysote making giant wooden hands now but whatever
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Post by arf on Mar 13, 2018 23:58:44 GMT
Thank you! I would have linked if you hadn't! (agreed) "... Oh, your African tic-toc, maybe. But do they migrate?" |
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Post by todd on Mar 14, 2018 0:27:43 GMT
Since the bridge that currently (mostly) exists was built on the Court's terms I wonder if this is actually an effort to demolish that and build another on Ys' terms. The chief difference would be the lack of lights that keep shadowmen from crossing. That's a good point. I don't know how far ahead Ysengrin is thinking at this point; it could be nothing more than a wish to show off his new-found strength by wrecking the bridge as a symbol of human achievement - "Look at how puny it is compared to the forces of nature which I represent and command!" But if we look beyond that to how the bridge's presence affects the conflict between the Court and the Wood.... So far (from what we can tell) the Wood has taken the offensive, the Court the defensive, in their conflicts. The forest-folk have been the ones launching the attacks; the Court's response has been to merely ward off the attacks or create barriers. With the exception of tricking and trapping Renard, the Court has made no effort to make any counter-attacks against the Wood. (Not surprising, perhaps, in light of its tendency to dismiss the forest-folk as merely talking animals.) Consequently, a pathway over the Annan Waters is more useful for the Forest than the Court. The main reason why the forest hasn't sent any armies across the bridge is those lamps - and presumably other features that were part of the Court's design as security measures. But replace the bridge with one built by the Wood, according to its wishes, without lamps or other such features, and you've now got a potential invasion route. (And it won't even matter any more that Jeanne is gone; the bridge was out of her range anyway. And it's a simpler, more efficient way of approaching the Court than having to climb down one cliff and up the other.) Of course, this incident could lead to the Court deciding that it had underestimated Gilltie Wood and its dangers, and that it's time to deal permanently with it - in which case, it might be better for Gilltie (for the moment) to have no bridge across the river at all. |
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Post by rafk on Mar 14, 2018 7:24:26 GMT
This chase sequence is an interesting look into where Annie's heart lies; when faced with abject danger, she makes a dash for the court rather than, say, the Anwyn or just somewhere in the forest where she could hunker down and fortify her position or whatever. Despite how much she loves the forest, the Court is where she feels safe, the Court is her home. I mean, especially since there's a raging Ysote making giant wooden hands now but whateverAlso, however friendly she is with some forest dwellers, the Court is where Kat lives, and Andrew and Parley. It is also entirely possible that the Court is simply closer. Plus she's with Andrew, who would only run towards the Court. Also it is doubtful anywhere in the Forest could or would keep Ysengrin out whereas the Court might. |
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Post by Igniz on Mar 14, 2018 13:49:03 GMT
Furthermore, every place in the forest is either full or surrounded by trees, which Ysenyote can bend to his will - to "hunker down and fortify a position" there, given the situation, would be madness, let alone lacking the time to do so. Not sure if you were being facetious or not but at least according to Coyote, Ys and Renard are legendary dogs that were around before Coyote even came to the forest. gunnerkrigg.com/?p=488I guess it's possible that Ys was a human before then, but Ys has plenty of other reasons to hate humans. I was thinking in the same lines as you, but just as you point out, that's "according to Coyote", a well-known manipulative trickster who has lied about several things time and again. But just as I said, they're just theories, sparked on the moment. I tending to believe that Ys's hate is the product of several incidents, exacerbated, magnified and groomed by Wily E. for his own agenda. |
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