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Post by fia on Nov 6, 2017 22:46:53 GMT
God. You know what this comic needs? An antagonist. If there were to come to be one, I wouldn't mind, but for the moment I am glad this comic entirely lacks a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain. There are many ways to build suspense, drama, and interest in a story besides postulating a primary antagonist. Consider: we think our own lives are on average interesting, although presumably many of us lack nemesis. Often our relationships with others are dramatic enough without any actual villainy. And re: Anja - yeah, this smells of Plot Device to me. For that reason, I don't think we should moralize about Anja's parenting; it's the plot, not her character. I find it a bit odd, honestly, even taking into account non-helicoptery parenting (my parents were both very permissive, but even they wouldn't have just waved away an issue like that). Unless Anja really trusts Kat that much??? (I love Kat, but I wouldn't). |
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Post by imany on Nov 6, 2017 23:14:06 GMT
Yeah, I'm not trying to moralize so much as point out it's part of the setting and time frame. I feel like Anja's generation is getting a lot of flak, but really it just seems like a matter of course for the setting. Kat's been doing crazy science projects since she was little. Building and taking an antigravity engine out for a ride isn't exactly something most parents would just be cool with, but Anja and Donnie were. That's how they raised Kat: to be curious and explore the things she's interested in.
That also doesn't mean Anja's actually not interested. It may mean she doesn't want to have the discussion while Annie is present (since Annie zoned out the last time they got technical) or she intends to talk to Tony (or more likely get Donnie to talk to Tony) about it instead. There's probably more going on behind the surface we just don't see.
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Post by vankersabra17 on Nov 6, 2017 23:14:59 GMT
God. You know what this comic needs? An antagonist. If there were to come to be one, I wouldn't mind, but for the moment I am glad this comic entirely lacks a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain. There are many ways to build suspense, drama, and interest in a story besides postulating a primary antagonist. Consider: we think our own lives are on average interesting, although presumably many of us lack nemesis. Often our relationships with others are dramatic enough without any actual villainy. And re: Anja - yeah, this smells of Plot Device to me. For that reason, I don't think we should moralize about Anja's parenting; it's the plot, not her character. I find it a bit odd, honestly, even taking into account non-helicoptery parenting (my parents were both very permissive, but even they wouldn't have just waved away an issue like that). Unless Anja really trusts Kat that much??? (I love Kat, but I wouldn't). An antagonist is something different than a villian. I don't want an epic battle between the forces of good and evil, I want a clash of interests and principles. I want someone to oppose the ideals of the protagonist in such fashion that confrontation will be eminent. Gunnerkrigg is awesome but is lacking some edge. Tom seems afraid of killing off characters Or taking on a darker route. A multifaceted antagonist will be something refreshing to the plot and ignite some new events. I'm not saying the story is bad, Gunnerkrigg Court is great and inteligent, but everyone here is way too nice or just misunderstood for a fantasy comic. We need something more...Shocking. |
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Post by todd on Nov 7, 2017 0:15:19 GMT
Some might argue that having their children attend school at the Court - especially since Anja and Donald went to school there when they were young and can't plead ignorance - is questionable parenting itself. If I had kids, I'd be more likely to enroll them in an ordinary school than in a place run by a group of scheming "mad scientist"-types, at the edge of a forest inhabited by mythical creatures who are often on poor terms with the place (including an amoral trickster-god), and who knows what else.
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Post by faiiry on Nov 7, 2017 1:35:22 GMT
Some might argue that having their children attend school at the Court - especially since Anja and Donald went to school there when they were young and can't plead ignorance - is questionable parenting itself. If I had kids, I'd be more likely to enroll them in an ordinary school than in a place run by a group of scheming "mad scientist"-types, at the edge of a forest inhabited by mythical creatures who are often on poor terms with the place (including an amoral trickster-god), and who knows what else. That's true, but don't forget that the Court offers huge amounts of money if they want a kid to enroll. A tempting offer for parents who might not be so financially fortunate: one less mouth to feed, AND a truckload of cash. |
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Post by todd on Nov 7, 2017 1:39:21 GMT
That's true, but don't forget that the Court offers huge amounts of money if they want a kid to enroll. A tempting offer for parents who might not be so financially fortunate: one less mouth to feed, AND a truckload of cash. That would be an incentive. I could imagine it working with Paz's parents (safely in another country rather than on the spot, and thus easier to be kept in the dark about the goings-on there) - presumably with Paz keeping mum about things like the "Torn Sea" incident. But for those parents who attended the Court (like Anja and Donald) and who know what's going on, it's another story. Maybe when you've lived in such a place for most of your life (both childhood and adulthood), it becomes easier to blind yourself to its faults. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Nov 7, 2017 3:37:14 GMT
And re: Anja - yeah, this smells of Plot Device to me. For that reason, I don't think we should moralize about Anja's parenting; it's the plot, not her character. I find it a bit odd, honestly, even taking into account non-helicoptery parenting (my parents were both very permissive, but even they wouldn't have just waved away an issue like that). Unless Anja really trusts Kat that much??? (I love Kat, but I wouldn't). First of all, I think it's pretty hypocritical of Anja to spend several years not monitoring (and even enabling) her daughter's insane mad science experiments, and then suddenly get all righteous about "It better not be, young lady!" There are two dangers for Kat: the bots, and lab safety. Regarding the bots: one doubts the adults see the robots as being particularly dangerous, and even if they were concerned by such things as the cruise ship taking people hostage... the reports about that incident will also inevitably include the whole passel of bots that acted to rescue the students in general, and Kat in specific. And regarding lab safety, the most dangerous thing that's happened in her lab, that we've seen, is organic robot bits exploding in blue smoke. One imagines that they wouldn't have enabled Kat if they thought Kat would run an unsafe lab, or was actively performing dangerous experiments without any safety. This isn't about Kat not doing crazy things, this is about Kat not actively or willfully putting herself in danger while doing so. I think Anja's backing off and not wanting to know is recognition of what we've heard from Jimmy Jims: that Anthony is in deep with the Court. Sometimes there are things you just do not pry into, and Anthony's activities are some of those things. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 7, 2017 4:09:24 GMT
Somehow, all I can think of is this: "That doesn't explain anything!" "It explains enough, doesn't it?" "Ugh! That's a terrible ethic!" ( gunnerkrigg.com/?p=410) It applies to pretty much everything on this page. |
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Post by yinglung on Nov 7, 2017 4:23:03 GMT
If there were to come to be one, I wouldn't mind, but for the moment I am glad this comic entirely lacks a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain. There are many ways to build suspense, drama, and interest in a story besides postulating a primary antagonist. Consider: we think our own lives are on average interesting, although presumably many of us lack nemesis. Often our relationships with others are dramatic enough without any actual villainy. And re: Anja - yeah, this smells of Plot Device to me. For that reason, I don't think we should moralize about Anja's parenting; it's the plot, not her character. I find it a bit odd, honestly, even taking into account non-helicoptery parenting (my parents were both very permissive, but even they wouldn't have just waved away an issue like that). Unless Anja really trusts Kat that much??? (I love Kat, but I wouldn't). An antagonist is something different than a villian. I don't want an epic battle between the forces of good and evil, I want a clash of interests and principles. I want someone to oppose the ideals of the protagonist in such fashion that confrontation will be eminent. Gunnerkrigg is awesome but is lacking some edge. Tom seems afraid of killing off characters Or taking on a darker route. A multifaceted antagonist will be something refreshing to the plot and ignite some new events. I'm not saying the story is bad, Gunnerkrigg Court is great and intelligent, but everyone here is way too nice or just misunderstood for a fantasy comic. We need something more...Shocking. I have to disagree. The comic does a really good job of making things uncertain, and encouraging the reader to be both patient and observant. Every antagonist, (Reynardine, Coyote, Jeanne, Zimmy, Psychopomps, spider-jack, robots, Anthony, Ysengrin, the forest as a whole), are characters of their own, with complex motives and moralities. Some of them, such as Coyote and the Psychopomps, were initially introduced as eccentric, yet not unfriendly characters, but have since developed into more threatening and sinister existences. Others have become more understandable, and reliable as allies. Honestly, I'm not sure why you are saying the antagonists are too nice, Coyote has been plucking memories from Ysengrin's mind, is perfectly willing to lop off Annie's hand during her summer in the forest, and has all the capacity for cruelty inherent in a trickster god. If you think a fantasy comic should be darker and more shocking, I'd advise you to read the Game of Thrones series. Or, alternatively, to not read it and accept that not all fantasy series has to be that excessively dark. Ultimately, Gunnerkrigg Court is aptly named; it is a story of court intrigue at Gunner's Crag. No one is inherently evil, but there are a lot of alternative and/or reprehensible moralities on display, and it is up to the reader which ones they can forgive and which they cannot. In the mean time, we get to see very human characters caught between science, magic, and the beings made of each extreme. That is plenty fascinating for me. |
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Post by vankersabra17 on Nov 7, 2017 6:39:24 GMT
An antagonist is something different than a villian. I don't want an epic battle between the forces of good and evil, I want a clash of interests and principles. I want someone to oppose the ideals of the protagonist in such fashion that confrontation will be eminent. Gunnerkrigg is awesome but is lacking some edge. Tom seems afraid of killing off characters Or taking on a darker route. A multifaceted antagonist will be something refreshing to the plot and ignite some new events. I'm not saying the story is bad, Gunnerkrigg Court is great and intelligent, but everyone here is way too nice or just misunderstood for a fantasy comic. We need something more...Shocking. I have to disagree. The comic does a really good job of making things uncertain, and encouraging the reader to be both patient and observant. Every antagonist, (Reynardine, Coyote, Jeanne, Zimmy, Psychopomps, spider-jack, robots, Anthony, Ysengrin, the forest as a whole), are characters of their own, with complex motives and moralities. Some of them, such as Coyote and the Psychopomps, were initially introduced as eccentric, yet not unfriendly characters, but have since developed into more threatening and sinister existences. Others have become more understandable, and reliable as allies. Honestly, I'm not sure why you are saying the antagonists are too nice, Coyote has been plucking memories from Ysengrin's mind, is perfectly willing to lop off Annie's hand during her summer in the forest, and has all the capacity for cruelty inherent in a trickster god. If you think a fantasy comic should be darker and more shocking, I'd advise you to read the Game of Thrones series. Or, alternatively, to not read it and accept that not all fantasy series has to be that excessively dark. Ultimately, Gunnerkrigg Court is aptly named; it is a story of court intrigue at Gunner's Crag. No one is inherently evil, but there are a lot of alternative and/or reprehensible moralities on display, and it is up to the reader which ones they can forgive and which they cannot. In the mean time, we get to see very human characters caught between science, magic, and the beings made of each extreme. That is plenty fascinating for me. . And yet none of these antagonists did something too drastic to the plot. The Coyote's binding had absolutely no influence in the story. It was gone Just like It was created and had no purpose. Jenny's fight should've been a milestone in the series and yet, so far life is still the same like Jenny's liberation had no impact whatsoever. Sure, the guides have Annie now, but so what? What did that change? And even when Jenny stabbed Andrew, It was obvious that he wouldn't die because something like that is not like Gunnerkrigg. An event that should've been the turning point, even though It was interesting and Fun, I won't deny that, once again lacked edge and had a rather predictable end. Don't get me wrong, I love this series, but It needs to pace up.So far it has been all too linear. Life is a cornucopia of consequences and so far, the main gang's actions had little consequences. I hope Robot's religious group, Coyote's plans or whatever is happening with Jones and Kat's experiences will give us something different. In the Future there's a lot of potential. Let's see If Tom Will be able to capitalize. Stories are like people. They need to evolve. Sometimes a dark experience ir a true antagonist can do just that. On that note, I freaking miss Zimmy and Gamma. They were great to give some darker tones to the story. And It has been millenniums since I've last saw them. |
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Post by philman on Nov 7, 2017 10:47:35 GMT
And yet none of these antagonists did something too drastic to the plot. The Coyote's binding had absolutely no influence in the story. It was gone Just like It was created and had no purpose. Jenny's fight should've been a milestone in the series and yet, so far life is still the same like Jenny's liberation had no impact whatsoever. Sure, the guides have Annie now, but so what? What did that change? And even when Jenny stabbed Andrew, It was obvious that he wouldn't die because something like that is not like Gunnerkrigg. An event that should've been the turning point, even though It was interesting and Fun, I won't deny that, once again lacked edge and had a rather predictable end. Don't get me wrong, I love this series, but It needs to pace up.So far it has been all too linear. Life is a cornucopia of consequences and so far, the main gang's actions had little consequences. I hope Robot's religious group, Coyote's plans or whatever is happening with Jones and Kat's experiences will give us something different. In the Future there's a lot of potential. Let's see If Tom Will be able to capitalize. Stories are like people. They need to evolve. Sometimes a dark experience ir a true antagonist can do just that. On that note, I freaking miss Zimmy and Gamma. They were great to give some darker tones to the story. And It has been millenniums since I've last saw them. Coyote's binding was just to show a sinister side to him, it might come up in the future again, it might not. Not everything is a Chekov's gun! I assume you mean Jeanne when talking about the fight, I don't remember Jenny fighting anyone, annoying autocorrect? And Jeanne's liberation was still very recent. It may have been half a year to us, but the last 2-3 chapters have taken place over the course of less than a week or so in comic time! We saw Coyote reacting to it, and we saw Annie's now recruitment to the psychopomps, but have not been back to the forest or the dead since in order to see the consequences. Not every consequence has to happen right away. Tom is very good at seeding events and seeing payoffs or consequences far down the line. this is a slow burn comic. I appreciate it for the realism of the world (even amongst the robots and shadow people), in that not everything is important, and not everything changes things right away |
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Post by ffkonoko on Nov 7, 2017 12:18:00 GMT
Wow, everyone sure seems to be focusing in on that one sentence.
And...yes, her job as a mother is to try and guide her daughter and watch out for her. But...she knows what Anthonys work can be like. And remember, Anthonys work isn't 'bone satellite etheric murder', his work is stuff for the Court. Stuff like "sit around and watch a spot until two slugs bang".
(and also stuff that is super top secret and private that she may actually already know something about)
So...yeah, we know what KATS work is, and the potential dangers there (even if Kat herself doesn't, due to the Seraphim making themselves scarce and the creepy religion stuff not actually being seen by her at all), but with the knowledge she has, trusting her daughter and old friend to not be up to something dangerous seems...entirely reasonable?
Meanwhile, Kat is providing backup evidence that, yeah, 1 on 1, Anthony defrosts and is a regular person, even a really nice guy to get along with. One recurring thing I see in the complaints about Tony is things like "ugh, but this doesn't EXCUSE him being such a terrible father!". And well, no, nothing excuses that. But it can explain it, and while some might disagree, I'd say he's very certainly not INTENDING to be a terrible father. The fact that some of his most touted moments of being a terrible father are borne out of his strong feelings of guilt and love and regret for both annie and her mother kinda speaks to that.
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Post by aline on Nov 7, 2017 19:44:17 GMT
Some might argue that having their children attend school at the Court - especially since Anja and Donald went to school there when they were young and can't plead ignorance - is questionable parenting itself. If I had kids, I'd be more likely to enroll them in an ordinary school than in a place run by a group of scheming "mad scientist"-types, at the edge of a forest inhabited by mythical creatures who are often on poor terms with the place (including an amoral trickster-god), and who knows what else. I disagree. The Court has been able to exist next to the Forest for centuries. They've had intrusions at times, yes, but we've seen they take their security VERY seriously (maybe even too seriously). The only times the kids were really in any danger within the Court, be it Annie/Kat or the parents' generation, that was because the kids were breaking the rules and looking for trouble. (With one exception, the boat episode, which was frankly weird on more than one account. Also they were out at sea). The place is huge and the dangerous experiments happen far away from where the kids are supposed to be. They are monitored at all times, with extra attention for "special" students like Zimmy. There is immediate intervention when somebody tries to leave the grounds. Intrusion by Forest creatures is followed by a security perimeter that the kids had to go around to see anything interesting. Also I think the Court is much, much better than a normal school for a child like Kat. She would be bored to tears and probably much less happy. The same for Annie, for different reason. The Court started out as a place for people who were different, and I still think it's a great opportunity for kids who aren't quite "normal". How would they ever learn anything about themselves and their abilities in a London middle school? |
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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Nov 7, 2017 20:10:30 GMT
Some might argue that having their children attend school at the Court - especially since Anja and Donald went to school there when they were young and can't plead ignorance - is questionable parenting itself. If I had kids, I'd be more likely to enroll them in an ordinary school than in a place run by a group of scheming "mad scientist"-types, at the edge of a forest inhabited by mythical creatures who are often on poor terms with the place (including an amoral trickster-god), and who knows what else. I disagree. The Court has been able to exist next to the Forest for centuries. They've had intrusions at times, yes, but we've seen they take their security VERY seriously (maybe even too seriously). The only times the kids were really in any danger within the Court, be it Annie/Kat or the parents' generation, that was because the kids were breaking the rules and looking for trouble. (With one exception, the boat episode, which was frankly weird on more than one account. Also they were out at sea). The place is huge and the dangerous experiments happen far away from where the kids are supposed to be. They are monitored at all times, with extra attention for "special" students like Zimmy. There is immediate intervention when somebody tries to leave the grounds. Intrusion by Forest creatures is followed by a security perimeter that the kids had to go around to see anything interesting. Also I think the Court is much, much better than a normal school for a child like Kat. She would be bored to tears and probably much less happy. The same for Annie, for different reason. The Court started out as a place for people who were different, and I still think it's a great opportunity for kids who aren't quite "normal". How would they ever learn anything about themselves and their abilities in a London middle school? For Annie, who probably can't find anyone to help her with her abilities outside of the court, I'd agree. But Kat, as far as we can tell, is a perfectly normal kid aside from her intellect. She's possibly the smartest kid to ever grace the face of the earth, (she created an antigravity device at eleven!), and I don't think that no court=normal 10th grade for someone like her. Internship with the top scientists of Britain more like it. It probably beats potentially being exploited by the Court.
Unless, of course, there's something, er, abnormal about Kat too that we just don't know about. It's certainly been hinted at. Maybe she's actually an android that the normal authorities would want to dissect. In that case, it makes sense that her parents would want her at the court.
(However, Tom says that she was "just something that happened" when her parents were in Scotland... I can hardly imagine calling building an android as "just something that happened", LAUGHING ON LINE...)
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Post by todd on Nov 8, 2017 0:26:35 GMT
I disagree. The Court has been able to exist next to the Forest for centuries. They've had intrusions at times, yes, but we've seen they take their security VERY seriously (maybe even too seriously). The only times the kids were really in any danger within the Court, be it Annie/Kat or the parents' generation, that was because the kids were breaking the rules and looking for trouble. (With one exception, the boat episode, which was frankly weird on more than one account. Also they were out at sea). The place is huge and the dangerous experiments happen far away from where the kids are supposed to be. They are monitored at all times, with extra attention for "special" students like Zimmy. There is immediate intervention when somebody tries to leave the grounds. Intrusion by Forest creatures is followed by a security perimeter that the kids had to go around to see anything interesting. Also I think the Court is much, much better than a normal school for a child like Kat. She would be bored to tears and probably much less happy. The same for Annie, for different reason. The Court started out as a place for people who were different, and I still think it's a great opportunity for kids who aren't quite "normal". How would they ever learn anything about themselves and their abilities in a London middle school? Good points, especially about the Court probably being the best place for children with an innately etheric nature like Annie. That's one factor I should have given more thought to. I do suspect still that the Court seems to overlook the bulk of the rule-breaking, even tolerate it (security devices that can be hacked by a 12-to-13-year-old, even a highly intelligent one, can't have been intended as a serious obstacle); the obstacles may be there partly to keep the kids from getting too suspicious, partly to test and challenge them. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Nov 8, 2017 0:27:50 GMT
Some might argue that having their children attend school at the Court - especially since Anja and Donald went to school there when they were young and can't plead ignorance - is questionable parenting itself. If I had kids, I'd be more likely to enroll them in an ordinary school than in a place run by a group of scheming "mad scientist"-types, at the edge of a forest inhabited by mythical creatures who are often on poor terms with the place (including an amoral trickster-god), and who knows what else. I disagree. The Court has been able to exist next to the Forest for centuries. They've had intrusions at times, yes, but we've seen they take their security VERY seriously (maybe even too seriously). The only times the kids were really in any danger within the Court, be it Annie/Kat or the parents' generation, that was because the kids were breaking the rules and looking for trouble. (With one exception, the boat episode, which was frankly weird on more than one account. Also they were out at sea). The place is huge and the dangerous experiments happen far away from where the kids are supposed to be. They are monitored at all times, with extra attention for "special" students like Zimmy. There is immediate intervention when somebody tries to leave the grounds. Intrusion by Forest creatures is followed by a security perimeter that the kids had to go around to see anything interesting. Also I think the Court is much, much better than a normal school for a child like Kat. She would be bored to tears and probably much less happy. The same for Annie, for different reason. The Court started out as a place for people who were different, and I still think it's a great opportunity for kids who aren't quite "normal". How would they ever learn anything about themselves and their abilities in a London middle school? But the court doesn't just reside passively next to the forest. They mess with it. They take in students from it. And they very well could be messing with the students. Not to mention that, as Coyote and Reynard have both demonstrated, if the god dogs of the forest wanted to cause trouble, there wouldn't be much they could do to prevent it. |
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Post by todd on Nov 8, 2017 2:29:34 GMT
Yes, it does make me wonder whether Annie's meddling, despite it causing some problems, might actually be a good thing. Relations between the Court and the Wood have not been all that healthy - mutual distrust, scheming, and so on. We've got almost a cold war going on here, and maybe the events Annie has set into motion will help both groups be able to solve the problems between them, and produce genuine peace, rather than a mere absence of open hostility.
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Post by aline on Nov 8, 2017 9:16:22 GMT
But the court doesn't just reside passively next to the forest. They mess with it. They take in students from it. And they very well could be messing with the students. Not to mention that, as Coyote and Reynard have both demonstrated, if the god dogs of the forest wanted to cause trouble, there wouldn't be much they could do to prevent it. Come on, the exchange program is based on free choice and cooperation with Gillitie Woods, it's not like they kidnap them. And the Court sends some of their own people to the Forest, too. Renard was more of a "messing with" that went wrong. He killed a guy. But then he was kept prisoner for actual decades without much trouble despite his body snatching powers. Coyote is more of a threat, but he too has been sitting next to their doorstep for actual centuries and not much seems to have happened. If Coyote actually wanted to destroy the Court, he would have done that instead of just creating the divide and making a promise to leave them alone. It's not like people don't get killed out of the Court. Dangers exist out there too. Not the same dangers, granted, but kids will be kids and climb fences they're not supposed to climb wherever they are. |
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Post by todd on Nov 8, 2017 12:46:01 GMT
Renard was more of a "messing with" that went wrong. He killed a guy. But then he was kept prisoner for actual decades without much trouble despite his body snatching powers. Coyote is more of a threat, but he too has been sitting next to their doorstep for actual centuries and not much seems to have happened. If Coyote actually wanted to destroy the Court, he would have done that instead of just creating the divide and making a promise to leave them alone. It's not like people don't get killed out of the Court. Dangers exist out there too. Not the same dangers, granted, but kids will be kids and climb fences they're not supposed to climb wherever they are. I'm not surprised that Coyote hasn't tried destroying the Court; if you break your toys, you don't have anything to play with. Coyote would rather see the Court continue so that he can engage in his trickster schemes on it. (And I suspect that his physically dividing the Court from the Wood has, while kept them from engaging in open warfare with each other, also encouraged their distrust of each other.) While kids will indeed "climb fences they're not supposed to climb wherever they are", I suspect (as I've mentioned it before) that at the Court, the grown-ups are taking a tone of "Officially, you're not supposed to climb fences - but we're going to look the other way when you do, unless you do it so clumsily that you get caught, and even make it easier for you do climb them. After all, a lot of the projects we're working on are probably fences we're not supposed to climb either." |
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Post by ST13R on Nov 8, 2017 13:35:57 GMT
While kids will indeed "climb fences they're not supposed to climb wherever they are", I suspect (as I've mentioned it before) that at the Court, the grown-ups are taking a tone of "Officially, you're not supposed to climb fences - but we're going to look the other way when you do, unless you do it so clumsily that you get caught, and even make it easier for you do climb them. After all, a lot of the projects we're working on are probably fences we're not supposed to climb either." Your comment reminded me of this very early page.  |
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Post by youwiththeface on Nov 8, 2017 13:54:56 GMT
But the court doesn't just reside passively next to the forest. They mess with it. They take in students from it. And they very well could be messing with the students. Not to mention that, as Coyote and Reynard have both demonstrated, if the god dogs of the forest wanted to cause trouble, there wouldn't be much they could do to prevent it. Come on, the exchange program is based on free choice and cooperation with Gillitie Woods, it's not like they kidnap them. And the Court sends some of their own people to the Forest, too. Actually, the situation with the faeries and animal children is....really screwed up, and it's potentially even more screwed up than we know. They take in kids and then have them work for them, (and they don't seem to know what the work is for; for all we know they're helping to put together something that can destroy the forest) for the sake of earning a name that they could get from anywhere and anyone. And if what Coyote implied has any truth to it at all, the faeries have to do this in order to gain their souls back, which would amount to extortion. Renard was more of a "messing with" that went wrong. He killed a guy. But then he was kept prisoner for actual decades without much trouble despite his body snatching powers. Coyote is more of a threat, but he too has been sitting next to their doorstep for actual centuries and not much seems to have happened. If Coyote actually wanted to destroy the Court, he would have done that instead of just creating the divide and making a promise to leave them alone. Promises haven't kept Coyote from causing trouble. We all saw how destructive he can be if he doesn't get what he wants. And he's obviously planning something. It's not like people don't get killed out of the Court. Dangers exist out there too. Not the same dangers, granted, but kids will be kids and climb fences they're not supposed to climb wherever they are. Climbing fences you're not supposed to climb, depending on where you are, is going to get you into more or less danger. There's a difference between climbing a neighbor's fence and climbing the fence surrounding an old abandoned nuclear power plant. And for that reason? You don't set up a school next to an old, abandoned nuclear power plant. |
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Post by todd on Nov 8, 2017 14:05:19 GMT
Climbing fences you're not supposed to climb, depending on where you are, is going to get you into more or less danger. There's a difference between climbing a neighbor's fence and climbing the fence surrounding an old abandoned nuclear power plant. And for that reason? You don't set up a school next to an old, abandoned nuclear power plant. And in this case, the purpose of the school is to train the next generation of people to do dangerous things involving that abandoned nuclear power plant. (The "abandoned" part weakens the analogy, I'll agree.) |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 10, 2017 4:59:02 GMT
"So I am not the only who thinks this sounded really weird?
Let's refine the hypothesis. Old good Anthony Carver, exactly as common sense says, cannot mind control a moth to fly into a lamp. He does, however, act just a little abnormal until everyone dealing with him acquires a habit of jumping through invisible hoops until they never notice anything unusual while cheerfully running with something bughug crazy."
"I... cannot easily disprove this, Annie."
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Post by Storel on Nov 26, 2017 0:43:03 GMT
THIRD of all, I know Tony is known to be cool when he is alone, but it has been 20+ traumatizing years since he was a kid in the earlier pages of Get Lost. He's been through a lot, and plus, he's like 40 now. Is it realistic that he'd still be THAT cool? He's even cooler now! Experience counts for a lot...  |
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Post by maxptc on Nov 26, 2017 10:06:02 GMT
Actually, the situation with the faeries and animal children is....really screwed up, and it's potentially even more screwed up than we know. They take in kids and then have them work for them, (and they don't seem to know what the work is for; for all we know they're helping to put together something that can destroy the forest) for the sake of earning a name that they could get from anywhere and anyone. And if what Coyote implied has any truth to it at all, the faeries have to do this in order to gain their souls back, which would amount to extortion. Coyote could also be sending them there for a purpose, one even they aren't aware of. The whole situation with the faerie/animal students is quite terrifying. |
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