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Post by wombat on Aug 4, 2017 19:50:00 GMT
The end of the S1 chapter certainly seems to support that it was a gradual falling in love, with this maybe being the first step. Surma is older there than here and doesn't seem to be in a relationship with Tony at that time. I guess that doesn't mean she's not in love with him, but still a gradual build to their relationship.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 4, 2017 20:21:12 GMT
Is it just me, or does young Tony have something against contractions? I will have to guess that he does not. (Sorry, I actually think you're right, but I couldn't let go of this punny opportunity.) As of course you should not. Though we don't have a lot of data points, it does seem he avoided contractions when in control of his emotions, and used them when freaking out. |
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Post by hp on Aug 4, 2017 21:08:12 GMT
Can I just say –– Caaaaaallleeeed iiiiiiit. Do I get a cookie? I called it as well. I want my cookie My guess after those 2 pages is, Surma'll propose to join the trip in Donald's place so Tony doesn't have to cancel everything. That's how they'll get close and fall in love |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 4, 2017 21:32:13 GMT
Whenever it is that we learn that a huge factor in Surma and Tony's relationship was the fact that Eglamore was never around because he was always off training, can everyone please remember that *I* called it?  ? I can't wait to be proud of my prescience. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 4, 2017 22:15:02 GMT
Can I just say –– Caaaaaallleeeed iiiiiiit. Do I get a cookie? I called it as well. I want my cookie My guess after those 2 pages is, Surma'll propose to join the trip in Donald's place so Tony doesn't have to cancel everything. That's how they'll get close and fall in love I also called it. Here: I mean, you have to read between the lines, but once you do that, it's pretty clear I was right on the mark. |
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Post by The Anarch on Aug 4, 2017 23:14:59 GMT
I think we're all missing the most important thing here.
COYOTE PLUSH D'AAAAAWWWWW
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Post by faiiry on Aug 5, 2017 3:16:31 GMT
Huh. I'm not really sure where else to post this. Someone probably already figured this out before, but I finally think I figured out what Surma meant by "I would be of no use to you anymore" on page 338. Surma has been told that the case involves a fire. On 353, Antimony uses her fire powers (I'm assuming? It's not spelled out exactly) to calm the flames. So Surma thinks she would "be of no use" because once Annie uses her fire powers, the process of transferring the spirit is accelerated and Surma grows weaker immediately or can't use her own abilities anymore because they've transferred to her daughter? Do I have that right, or am I way off base? I never really understood what it meant until now.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 5, 2017 9:33:06 GMT
The key to understanding panel #8 is panel #7. See this stunned look? How even Anja shuts up mid-sob and stares at her best friend like she suddenly grew nine fiery fox tails or something? Surma doesn't regret her offer as such, she pulls a good old " Oh, sorry, where are my bad manners?" move, if rather half-assed. Compare to this young lady. Or that little guy. Or this big guy. This scene also fits with what we already have seen. She may be amazing sometimes, she may love her friend, but as to her temper... Surma is only slightly more nice than an erupting volcano. In almost unrelated news, the next time someone claims that Surma of all people did something for no better reason than <someone> told her "do it"... I'm not going to just snort, probably will fall out of a chair and roll a little. So please don't. It's a rather comfy chair. Also Surma is totes volunteering to preclude Anja crying even more. Anja is her main babe, you think she'd leave her with Tony's famous last words, "It will have to be cancelled"? Those are some guilt-inducing cringeries right there. Got to nullify them somehow. She looks hilariously mad in panel #5, indeed. |
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Post by saardvark on Aug 5, 2017 11:33:38 GMT
Huh. I'm not really sure where else to post this. Someone probably already figured this out before, but I finally think I figured out what Surma meant by "I would be of no use to you anymore" on page 338. Surma has been told that the case involves a fire. On 353, Antimony uses her fire powers (I'm assuming? It's not spelled out exactly) to calm the flames. So Surma thinks she would "be of no use" because once Annie uses her fire powers, the process of transferring the spirit is accelerated and Surma grows weaker immediately or can't use her own abilities anymore because they've transferred to her daughter? Do I have that right, or am I way off base? I never really understood what it meant until now. I think you are exactly right. It has been discussed before in another context, I think, tho I forget where exactly (wild spec?) |
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Post by saardvark on Aug 5, 2017 11:44:38 GMT
This, maybe combined with their almost opposite personalities (Surma = fiery, heart on her sleeve, impulsive; Tony = controlled, emotions bottled up, analytical) plus Eggers has already been the source of friction between the two. Surma would be the LAST person anyone would expect to volunteer for a long trip solo with Tony.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 17:02:12 GMT
Tony -- not impulsive? I very much doubt that. Renard might have thought that Antimony's fire "belonged to her mother", but he clearly didn't know her father that well and had good reasons to dismiss him as dull and bone-box-headed. This is a man who cut off his own hand before thinking things through.
In the same vein, I'd wager that Surma became much more careful as a mother (of course she did) compared to when she seduced a fox god, as indicated when Mallt-y-Nos and GK Sierra presented their quarrel and suggested Antimony should solve it. And we haven't seen how much of Surma's "fiery mask" might not also be an act just as Tony's imitation of Jones is.
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Post by saardvark on Aug 6, 2017 2:40:45 GMT
Tony -- not impulsive? I very much doubt that. Renard might have thought that Antimony's fire "belonged to her mother", but he clearly didn't know her father that well and had good reasons to dismiss him as dull and bone-box-headed. This is a man who cut off his own hand before thinking things through. In the same vein, I'd wager that Surma became much more careful as a mother (of course she did) compared to when she seduced a fox god, as indicated when Mallt-y-Nos and GK Sierra presented their quarrel and suggested Antimony should solve it. And we haven't seen how much of Surma's "fiery mask" might not also be an act just as Tony's imitation of Jones is. On the contrary, you could view Tony's decision to make a bone antenna as the rather bizarre endpoint of a very methodical, systematic (if obsessive) quest. After exhausting all medical means to help/save Surma, he turned to more metaphysical/etheric, and after likely being misled by some nasty creatures, was convinced the bone antenna was the way to make contact, maybe even bring back somehow, Surma's spirit. He had to contact Donny, order supplies, setup Microsat 5 pickup, prepare for surgery... this was all carefully planned, not at all impulsive. Warped, yes, but not impulsive. You might have a point about Surma, especially as a mother, tho even Coyote noted that Annie was less fiery than her mother, and Jones nodded in agreement. Were they all fooled? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 6:41:56 GMT
The time-span does not matter at all, nor how technically profound his plans might be. If he took the initial strategic decision to pursue his plan from his first feelings, without thinking those through, then he might ponder the tactical execution as methodically and resourcefully as he wants -- I would still call him impulsive. In the same way, someone could make well-reasoned arguments about a hypothesis that was adopted out of -- I'll abbreviate it -- a strong impression immediately taken for granted, not observed fact that is, as it must be, doubted.
And Microsat 5, to address that specific detail, was set up for the general purpose of providing supplies in emergencies, as Mr. Donlan has noted -- a flexible tool, just like you'd have a pocket knife on hand for situations that you couldn't possibly have planned for. Besides, wherever Tony was at the time, he did not actually have a phone on hand when he contacted his friend (and his daughter), nor did he know he was making a phone call. Somehow his will found a way, without him knowing how he'd reach.
Cutting off his hand on prompt (why could he have been misled like this in the first place?) is just another reminder of this volatility. Running away from his daughter (but carefully arranging for her well-being) is another. Ignoring that the Court would monitor his journey and exploit its knowledge to coax him back into their service is a third one.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 6, 2017 9:29:55 GMT
Cutting off his hand on prompt (why could he have been misled like this in the first place?) is just another reminder of this volatility. At least, at the time. If he wandered around chasing will-o-wisps, mentally he wasn't exactly in a good shape. Running away from his daughter (but carefully arranging for her well-being) is another. That being in any way impulsive is a baseless assumption. He had serious reasons to leave Annie, and at least two of them are so big that he couldn't find a way around them even if he was thinking straight at the time. 1. Anthony is a terrible parent. We can see it, he could see it too. It may be better for her to grow up among the relatively sane people capable of communicating with other human beings, without him messing up everything and all the time. 2. Her presence isn't improving his already dubious sanity, so it's not good for him either. He understands this. Also, it makes problem #1 worse. Also Annie was moving to the Court per request of Surma, and this creates more problems: 3. Visiting the Court itself can bring back memories - this may be hard even now, but back in Year 1 it could fry his brain completely. 4. His mission outside was not finished! (I strongly suspect its real purpose was to make sure Anthony won't return in the foreseeable future - but he still takes it seriously.) 5. Also, he wanted to chase some will-o-wisps, whom he expected to meet somewhere else. Crazy, but if he was committed enough to jump on that hand-of-glory proposal... Ignoring that the Court would monitor his journey and exploit its knowledge to coax him back into their service is a third one. Again, at this point he mostly aimlessly wandered. But anyway, even if he could think about it at all, why would he make such an assumption, and if so - what of it? As far as Anthony is concerned, officially he was still on an important, but not time-critical "quest". |
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Post by saardvark on Aug 6, 2017 11:23:46 GMT
The time-span does not matter at all, nor how technically profound his plans might be. If he took the initial strategic decision to pursue his plan from his first feelings, without thinking those through, then he might ponder the tactical execution as methodically and resourcefully as he wants -- I would still call him impulsive. In the same way, someone could make well-reasoned arguments about a hypothesis that was adopted out of -- I'll abbreviate it -- a strong impression immediately taken for granted, not observed fact that is, as it must be, doubted. And Microsat 5, to address that specific detail, was set up for the general purpose of providing supplies in emergencies, as Mr. Donlan has noted -- a flexible tool, just like you'd have a pocket knife on hand for situations that you couldn't possibly have planned for. Besides, wherever Tony was at the time, he did not actually have a phone on hand when he contacted his friend (and his daughter), nor did he know he was making a phone call. Somehow his will found a way, without him knowing how he'd reach. Cutting off his hand on prompt (why could he have been misled like this in the first place?) is just another reminder of this volatility. Running away from his daughter (but carefully arranging for her well-being) is another. Ignoring that the Court would monitor his journey and exploit its knowledge to coax him back into their service is a third one. I think we mostly differ on use of the term "impulsive". You seem to view that if the initial decision is impulsive, all that follows to bring that decision to fruition is also impulsive. My understanding and use of the term is that time-span does matter; the deeds must quickly follow the initial impulsive decision, or else what follows doesnt really qualify anymore. Perhaps the initial decision is impulsive in nature, but at each followup step he is mostly analytical and methodical. He also doesnt seem to often revisit the initial decision; once Tony decides, he rarely varies. And as TBeholder points out, sometimes things which appear impulsive are just poorly reasoned, or reasoned from a warped perspective. Great avatar, btw. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 15:34:35 GMT
At least, at the time. If he wandered around chasing will-o-wisps, mentally he wasn't exactly in a good shape. That's true. Too easily can one ascribe as a general quality what only surfaces as a strongly circumstantial response. I disagree, but perhaps that's why I think his decision was taken prematurely. In the end, a baseless assumption, but then so is assuming the opposite; we'll have to go with 'we shall see' contingency. Somehow, though, he managed to communicate with Kat (well, or brainwash her), so he's quite selectively kaputt. We also know that he takes the Court's constant observation more seriously than most -- perhaps some of his stiffness can be attributed to that (but not all; Kat's workshop is, as far as the rogue Shadow Men claim, a bug-free zone but he still manages to be a tool in there). Besides, at the very least, he taught Annie Unspecified Martial Arts (tm). Every time she does a roll across her shoulder rather than breaking her back (such as when she tried to scare Coyote, but he was the entire cave, or when she plunged into Jeanne's labyrinth), I guess you'll have to thank him for it. And perhaps when she got her fight back, too (Zimmy clearly delighted in her technique). Yeah, this and point #2 I'd fully agree with. But this is what I mean when I want to highlight that he is very much driven by involuntary memory and immediate reactions, if perhaps selectively. Didn't the Shadow Men blackmail him into coming back, else they would expel Antimony? That's how I remember it. Might be wrong. You've said "jump on that proposal"... wasn't that my point about the hand? I think, indeed, that commitment is what allows impulsivity; those who are apathetic and unfocused are harder to move by anything. Which can be a virtue as well -- or at least emulate its effects -- language deceives again. (I also remember you pointed out the hand-of-glory when the page originally appeared, and I think it cannot be pointed out enough.) Because he's "in deeper than most", thinks Eglamore at least; and routines can be acquired. Who will survive in Constantinople? He'd not be thinking things through -- he'd be generally wary of observation. More pure speculation, but he could also have been quite protective of his quest on principle, approaching it with the same feelings as his wife herself, "my chalice through a throng of foes" etc. saardvarkAs you've written, we seem to agree on Tony's character, but I emphasize the initial decision, you -- the steps of execution. I think both definitions are sensible, but I want to make a point that Tony's decision-making can be driven by sudden events, after which no investment of thought and planning would save him. Instance of the contrary: previous page, bottom row. Of course, that could have been a rare occasion. Whether you'd call this impulsive, again, is subject to your own call, but he aborted his original intent, after what he'll consider as thinking more clearly about the situation. It was made by keef. I just put the verse below it (which isn't mine, either). |
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Post by saardvark on Aug 6, 2017 19:05:46 GMT
Besides, at the very least, he taught Annie Unspecified Martial Arts (tm). Every time she does a roll across her shoulder rather than breaking her back (such as when she tried to scare Coyote, but he was the entire cave, or when she plunged into Jeanne's labyrinth), I guess you'll have to thank him for it. And perhaps when she got her fight back, too (Zimmy clearly delighted in her technique). As you've written, we seem to agree on Tony's character, but I emphasize the initial decision, you -- the steps of execution. I think both definitions are sensible, but I want to make a point that Tony's decision-making can be driven by sudden events, after which no investment of thought and planning would save him. Instance of the contrary: previous page, bottom row. Of course, that could have been a rare occasion. Whether you'd call this impulsive, again, is subject to your own call, but he aborted his original intent, after what he'll consider as thinking more clearly about the situation. It was made by keef . I just put the verse below it (which isn't mine, either). oooh, and her hurling of the bratty young William to the floor: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=34you're right, I never realized how often she used UMA(tm) to good effect.... rare kudos to Tony for teaching her that. yeah, I hesitate to label something entirely impulsive if only the initial decision is really taken quickly and the rest is deliberate and spread out over time. Not entirely sure your example quite fits tho. Tony doesnt have much choice given what he knows at that moment.... Donnie is going to go to lend support and comfort to Anja, and since their trip was meant to be a two man operation, he has little choice but to cancel. I suppose he could try to argue strenuously with Donnie to convince him to come anyway and ignore Anja's plight, but this would apparently violate a core belief in the importance of family (aside from being inconsiderate, unfeeling and selfish). So that is a route that even Tony sees is a non-starter. Not much of a decision really (as I see it); there was not much of a second option... he did the only reasonable thing (even for Tony). Icelandic quote from where? We could use a " þ " in English.... |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 6, 2017 19:39:58 GMT
Whenever it is that we learn that a huge factor in Surma and Tony's relationship was the fact that Eglamore was never around because he was always off training, can everyone please remember that *I* called it? ? I can't wait to be proud of my prescience. Had Jim been around, of course he would have volunteered to go with Tony! ...not. |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 6, 2017 19:50:18 GMT
So, seeing how annoyed Surma is with Anja on this page...I'm not so sure any more, the rolling eyes in the previous page were about Tony.
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Post by fish on Aug 6, 2017 20:59:49 GMT
So, seeing how annoyed Surma is with Anja on this page...I'm not so sure any more, the rolling eyes in the previous page were about Tony. I was thinking that too, but Surma's eyeroll on the last page was placed directly after Antony's awkwardness. I think she just isn't comfortable with the whole situation and general annoyance at everything is her way to deal with it? But who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 21:01:24 GMT
Not entirely sure your example quite fits tho. Tony doesnt have much choice given what he knows at that moment.... Donnie is going to go to lend support and comfort to Anja, and since their trip was meant to be a two man operation, he has little choice. I suppose he could try to argue strenuously with Donnie to convince him to come anyway and ignore Anja's plight, but this would apparently violate a core belief in the importance of family (aside from being inconsiderate, unfeeling and selfish). So that is a route that even Tony sees is a non-starter. Not much of a decision really (as I see it); there was little choice... he did the only reasonable thing (even for Tony). I meant that his first idea was to comfort Anja with physical contact, but he retracted his hand (and Tom omitting his facial features and leaving him quite puppet-like, I think, was a fitting decision). Surma would have gone through with this, presumably, and is sharp enough to figure out at once what made Tony hamstring himself -- which includes not "risk-reward" gauging his best friend's most likely reaction very well, especially given the situation -- it would probably not have been "oi, you touched my girlfriend!", although this is just my own assumption again. Thus the eye-roll: he somehow manages to be both impulsive and overthinking, and it's the latter that Surma thinks is weak. Völuspá, verse 5 line 5 (whoever cares: the line translates to "[the] moon that did not know / what he had of might.") You used to have it, but you dropped it (after which it suffered from anachronistic confusion, first with the Wynn rune, then with a Greek import). You dropped it and it broke. Blame the Normans. Alternatively, blame either of the Harolds that lost Original Germanic Soil which was all conquered six hundred years earlier, finders keepers, losers weepers to the assimilated traitors. edit: What you actually need is to reintroduce the phonemic þ-ð distinction as expressed with two different graphemes. (It's alright, though -- early Norse manuscripts don't do it, either.) |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 6, 2017 22:54:11 GMT
Whenever it is that we learn that a huge factor in Surma and Tony's relationship was the fact that Eglamore was never around because he was always off training, can everyone please remember that *I* called it? ? I can't wait to be proud of my prescience. Had Jim been around, of course he would have volunteered to go with Tony! ...not.That's not exactly what I meant. In S1, Surma semi-complains that her boyfriend is never around. In The Stone, we see James, apparently having just learned that Surma has dumped him; he's dressed like he's been outdoors and has an unpacked bag beside him - indicating he just returned from somewhere. This is why I've got a theory that Surma just got sick of waiting around and found someone else who would be there for her more often. (I also think Jones had something or other to do with it, but I've got no theory on that yet.) |
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Post by saardvark on Aug 7, 2017 0:19:09 GMT
I meant that his first idea was to comfort Anja with physical contact, but he retracted his hand (and Tom omitting his facial features and leaving him quite puppet-like, I think, was a fitting decision). Surma would have gone through with this, presumably, and is sharp enough to figure out at once what made Tony hamstring himself -- which includes not "risk-reward" gauging his best friend's most likely reaction very well, especially given the situation -- it would probably not have been "oi, you touched my girlfriend!", although this is just my own assumption again. Thus the eye-roll: he somehow manages to be both impulsive and overthinking, and it's the latter that Surma thinks is weak. Völuspá, verse 5 line 5 (whoever cares: the line translates to "[the] moon that did not know / what he had of might.") You used to have it, but you dropped it (after which it suffered from anachronistic confusion, first with the Wynn rune, then with a Greek import). You dropped it and it broke. Blame the Normans. Alternatively, blame either of the Harolds that lost Original Germanic Soil which was all conquered six hundred years earlier, finders keepers, losers weepers to the assimilated traitors. edit: What you actually need is to reintroduce the phonemic þ-ð distinction as expressed with two different graphemes. (It's alright, though -- early Norse manuscripts don't do it, either.) ah! I misidentified your target, sorry about that. I agree with you then! Wow, Google translate really butchered it: "He did not know or knew what he meant." Yo, you know your linguistics! I read "In search of the Indo-Europeans" by Mallory (sp?) some time back, fascinating stuff, the reconstruction of pre-history of peoples through language evolution.... |
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Post by arf on Aug 7, 2017 2:14:14 GMT
I called it as well. I want my cookie I also called it. Here: I mean, you have to read between the lines, but once you do that, it's pretty clear I was right on the mark. Ee, shoodn't tha be callin' for chip buttie? |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 7, 2017 10:54:26 GMT
Had Jim been around, of course he would have volunteered to go with Tony! ...not.That's not exactly what I meant. In S1, Surma semi-complains that her boyfriend is never around. In The Stone, we see James, apparently having just learned that Surma has dumped him; he's dressed like he's been outdoors and has an unpacked bag beside him - indicating he just returned from somewhere. This is why I've got a theory that Surma just got sick of waiting around and found someone else who would be there for her more often. (I also think Jones had something or other to do with it, but I've got no theory on that yet.) Of course I didn't think you meant it like that, I was just foolin' around.  |
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Post by Runningflame on Aug 8, 2017 4:07:58 GMT
Besides, at the very least, he taught Annie Unspecified Martial Arts (tm). Every time she does a roll across her shoulder rather than breaking her back (such as when she tried to scare Coyote, but he was the entire cave, or when she plunged into Jeanne's labyrinth), I guess you'll have to thank him for it. And perhaps when she got her fight back, too (Zimmy clearly delighted in her technique). oooh, and her hurling of the bratty young William to the floor: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=34you're right, I never realized how often she used UMA(tm) to good effect.... rare kudos to Tony for teaching her that. "Unspecified Martial Arts" made me laugh.  Here's another example--in fact, maybe this episode is what Zimmy means when she says "you got your fight back." I've always found those first two panels a bit confusing--not sure how Annie got her arms behind Zimmy quite so fast. But at any rate, it appears she's using something like Hapkido, which focuses on redirecting an opponent's motion instead of meeting it head-on. Annie steps out of the way of Zimmy's momentum, then uses a joint lock to control her and put her on the ground without hurting her. (Okay, maybe it hurt a little.) What you actually need is to reintroduce the phonemic þ-ð distinction as expressed with two different graphemes. (It's alright, though -- early Norse manuscripts don't do it, either.) Ðat's a nice idea. Unfortunately, I don't þink people would accept ðat big of a change to ðeir orþography.  |
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Post by saardvark on Aug 8, 2017 12:38:29 GMT
"Unspecified Martial Arts" made me laugh. Here's another example--in fact, maybe this episode is what Zimmy means when she says "you got your fight back." What you actually need is to reintroduce the phonemic þ-ð distinction as expressed with two different graphemes. (It's alright, though -- early Norse manuscripts don't do it, either.) Ðat's a nice idea. Unfortunately, I don't þink people would accept ðat big of a change to ðeir orþography. I think this bit in Divine is the episode you're looking for: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1047I love it! Ive often wished ðat it was easier to just look at English and know how to pronounce it. I þink including (or re-including!) ðis ð and ðat þ might be just the trick.... (part of it anyway)  |
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Post by Runningflame on Aug 8, 2017 19:13:19 GMT
"Unspecified Martial Arts" made me laugh. Here's another example--in fact, maybe this episode is what Zimmy means when she says "you got your fight back." I think this bit in Divine is the episode you're looking for: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1047I know that's where the quote comes from, but I meant: when Zimmy says "got your fight back," she must have thought Annie had some "fight" previously. And the page I linked is an example where Zimmy experiences Annie's "fight" first-hand. Oh, wee wud hav tə mayk suhm hyooj chaynjəz tə get enieþiŋ klohss too ə fənetik speling sistəm. Wuhn probləm (which Y diskuhvərd when þrohwiŋ ðis wuhn təgeðər) iz ðat suhm wərdz, lyk "a," "the," "to," chaynj ðer prənuhnseeayshən dəpendiŋ on ðə sərownding kontekst (ə/ay, thə/thee, tə/too). Ənuhðər probləm iz ðat difərənt dyəlekts hav difrənt prənuhnseeayshənz, soh enie sistəm wud hav tə fynd ə komprəmyz tə repreezent awl (ol?) əv ðem az klohslie az posibəl. And əv korss, noh wuhn wud evər ədopt it. It awlmohst rikwyrz reelərniŋ how tə reed. It's fuhn tə play ərownd wiþ, ðoh! |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Aug 8, 2017 19:27:52 GMT
Oh, wee wud hav tə mayk suhm hyooj chaynjəz tə get enieþiŋ klohss too ə fənetik speling sistəm. Wuhn probləm (which Y diskuhvərd when þrohwiŋ ðis wuhn təgeðər) iz ðat suhm wərdz, lyk "a," "the," "to," chaynj ðer prənuhnseeayshən dəpendiŋ on ðə sərownding kontekst (ə/ay, thə/thee, tə/too). Ənuhðər probləm iz ðat difərənt dyəlekts hav difrənt prənuhnseeayshənz, soh enie sistəm wud hav tə fynd ə komprəmyz tə repreezent awl (ol?) əv ðem az klohslie az posibəl. And əv korss, noh wuhn wud evər ədopt it. It awlmohst rikwyrz reelərniŋ how tə reed. It's fuhn tə play ərownd wiþ, ðoh! I was slow going, but I was able to parse that one out. The thing about English is that it's less a language in and of itself and more the world's biggest creole, encompassing everything from German to French, Latin to Hindi, Spanish to Arabic, and more. Combine that with standard spelling being a relatively modern invention, and the differences in spelling between American and UK English on top of dialectical differences in pronunciation and enunciation... it really is no wonder that English is the glorious, wonderful mess that it is. |
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Post by warrl on Aug 8, 2017 23:12:11 GMT
Combine that with standard spelling being a relatively modern invention, and the differences in spelling between American and UK English on top of dialectical differences in pronunciation and enunciation... it really is no wonder that English is the glorious, wonderful mess that it is. And the fact that in several instances the standard spelling came from one part of England and the pronunciation from another... and then the pronunciation kept changing... English is chaos. |
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