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Post by ctso74 on May 19, 2017 13:40:46 GMT
nothing is conclusive and it's slowly driving me to drink Now, the mixologist in me is wondering what would be in a Siddell Cocktail? Should it be both herbal(the Forest) and crispy and bubbly(science?)? Would each character have their own drink? I'll be think of this for some time. I'm looking forward to Monday. They've solved the Jeanne mystery. Now, maybe they'll move to the other Court Conundrums, like Kat or the Tic-Tocs. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 19, 2017 14:10:17 GMT
Annie is... talented.It occurs to me that she's wasted a great deal of her school years slacking off and/or cheating. It may be time to consider that Annie, for all her etheric talent, may actually be below average when it comes to academics. What in the world has Annie not being able to accurately draw a lovecraftian mechanical horror to do with her academic talents? Also, she did well in a couple of classes without cheating, even a scientific one (biology). The court just has a very intense focus on mathematics and physics. Like spritznar, I have certainly never heard of the double-slit experiment in middle school. The bots cannot see into the ether, have we had any hint on whether they even saw Kat's mecha angel form? Yes! Again! What does Reynardine have to add to all this business? Where is he and why doesn't anybody think of consulting him? |
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Post by emmau on May 19, 2017 14:13:14 GMT
It's kind of confusing me how Kat seems to be talking about the arrow in terms of how it helped her make her ether-disruptor device... But they didn't have the arrow before she made it. How could she have known the golem work overlapped before they got their hands on the arrow if all of the arrow-related documents were gone?
Eh... -shrug-
With all this talk of how it's based on golem tech, and thinking back to the cult-like feel of the robot army on the treatise page, I feel like Robot is eventually going to get his hands on that arrow and/or device and reaffirm his cult's beliefs by seeing Kat's Ether form -- perhaps afterward he'll have the Record-O-Bot use it and take a video of what it sees. Not sure if the arrow works for bots, of course, but if Kat has no etheric connection and the disruptor is golem related, then maybe? I'm probably wrong, it's too hard to guess where Tom's going to go with the story 99% of the time.
Also... How about Annie's cut/scar kinda sorta showing up in the fifth panel, apparently because of her proximity to Kat's gadget? I don't even know what that could mean.
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Post by crater on May 19, 2017 14:25:06 GMT
"But it did alot more than that. Kat... it was totally freaking me out man
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Post by faiiry on May 19, 2017 14:28:55 GMT
Also... How about Annie's cut/scar kinda sorta showing up in the fifth panel, apparently because of her proximity to Kat's gadget? I don't even know what that could mean. That's not her scar. It's waaaaay too high on her face, in the wrong position, the wrong color, and the wrong size. It's just a line created by the way the light's moving or something like that. |
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Post by emmau on May 19, 2017 15:26:09 GMT
Also... How about Annie's cut/scar kinda sorta showing up in the fifth panel, apparently because of her proximity to Kat's gadget? I don't even know what that could mean. That's not her scar. It's waaaaay too high on her face, in the wrong position, the wrong color, and the wrong size. It's just a line created by the way the light's moving or something like that.
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Post by faiiry on May 19, 2017 15:46:47 GMT
That's not her scar. It's waaaaay too high on her face, in the wrong position, the wrong color, and the wrong size. It's just a line created by the way the light's moving or something like that.
But yeah, you're probably right, I'm likely looking into it too much.You've never seen Tom use that kind of shading before?  ?? Seriously, it's not the scar unless Kat magically also got the scar three pages ago. gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1831There are lines on faces that don't seem to belong literally every other page in the comic. It's just Tom's way of drawing. |
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Post by fanofts on May 19, 2017 16:24:49 GMT
for Annie's performance, I've wondered at times if her investigations into the weirdness at the Court might be partly responsible - that the time Annie was spending sneaking around, trying to figure out what was going on, was the time that she should have spent studying and preparing for tests. But Anthony mentioned that she was doing well in a couple of classes, like history; if the cause was "too busy delving into the Court's nature", all of her classes should have been suffering.) i wouldn't be surprised if the court had more intense than average science and math requirements. they seem like a very science focused place. i mean, the double-slit experiment kat was doing in chapter 17 isn't something i saw until i was a freshman in college... idk, maybe kids these days are learning stuff earlier but still anyway, i figure annie just doesn't have a math and science aptitude and the court really pushes math and science courses By college do you mean university, around age 18? We were exposed to double slit, Newton's rings, Millikan's Oil drop experiment, measuring speed of light, and alpha particle detection in cloud chamber all in lower sixth (aged 16). It was part of the A levels as they were known back then. |
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Post by warrl on May 19, 2017 16:39:08 GMT
for Annie's performance, I've wondered at times if her investigations into the weirdness at the Court might be partly responsible - that the time Annie was spending sneaking around, trying to figure out what was going on, was the time that she should have spent studying and preparing for tests. But Anthony mentioned that she was doing well in a couple of classes, like history; if the cause was "too busy delving into the Court's nature", all of her classes should have been suffering.) My take on it is that Annie does well in people-oriented stuff (with a somewhat loose definition of "people") but doesn't have the same natural talent for more hard-edged analytic fields. |
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Post by mangotango on May 19, 2017 18:09:04 GMT
I'm starting to wonder if Diego's golem technology actually plucks souls from the ether and traps them. The arrow, then, would've been a logical extension of that. Either way, that would give more symbolic weight to the handcuffs Jeanne's lover (and, for a moment, Annie?) was held in. Interesting to think about! |
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Post by spritznar on May 19, 2017 18:33:23 GMT
nothing is conclusive and it's slowly driving me to drink Now, the mixologist in me is wondering what would be in a Siddell Cocktail? Should it be both herbal(the Forest) and crispy and bubbly(science?)? Would each character have their own drink? I'll be think of this for some time. a coyote cocktail tho... i know pretty much nothing about mixology, but i feel like ysengrin's drink should have gin? |
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Post by spritznar on May 19, 2017 18:50:54 GMT
i wouldn't be surprised if the court had more intense than average science and math requirements. they seem like a very science focused place. i mean, the double-slit experiment kat was doing in chapter 17 isn't something i saw until i was a freshman in college... idk, maybe kids these days are learning stuff earlier but still anyway, i figure annie just doesn't have a math and science aptitude and the court really pushes math and science courses By college do you mean university, around age 18? We were exposed to double slit, Newton's rings, Millikan's Oil drop experiment, measuring speed of light, and alpha particle detection in cloud chamber all in lower sixth (aged 16). It was part of the A levels as they were known back then. yes, i mean university around age 18, apparently the curriculum is structured a bit differently. still, my point stands; kat and annie were only three chapters into year 8 when they were doing this, still quite a few years away from sixth form. unless i'm misunderstanding something |
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Post by aline on May 19, 2017 21:09:04 GMT
Annie is... talented.It occurs to me that she's wasted a great deal of her school years slacking off and/or cheating. It may be time to consider that Annie, for all her etheric talent, may actually be below average when it comes to academics. Has anyone ever bothered teaching her how to draw properly? Does the Court have an Arts class? Either way I think speaking several languages fluently is a much more impressive skill. Even if probably no one except Kat knows or cares that she can do that. |
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Post by aline on May 19, 2017 21:24:34 GMT
for Annie's performance, I've wondered at times if her investigations into the weirdness at the Court might be partly responsible - that the time Annie was spending sneaking around, trying to figure out what was going on, was the time that she should have spent studying and preparing for tests. But Anthony mentioned that she was doing well in a couple of classes, like history; if the cause was "too busy delving into the Court's nature", all of her classes should have been suffering.) Do we ever see her classmates stay at their desk to write essays while she goes off adventuring? Kat spends so much time in her lab, you'd wonder how she gets anything else done. Paz takes care of the lab mice which presumably takes quite a lot of her time too. A few of their friends seem to have become bowling experts, wow, such a productive thing to do with your time guys. I think Annie simply tends to suck at science stuff. On top of that she never went to a school before being sent to the Court. She was taught by her parents and her ghost friends. From everything we know, Anthony, who was the science oriented one, was probably busy with his attempts to save his wife's life and maybe kinda avoiding Annie. So how well prepared was she for her curriculum at the Court? We know she learned karate, languages (some of them dead) and how to rescue tormented souls. None of that can have helped much with math tests. She's good at History, which is in fact something she was taught by the ghosts. Maybe if she'd had some more structured curriculum, she'd have coped with her issues better. |
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Post by fia on May 19, 2017 22:01:52 GMT
Annie is... talented.It occurs to me that she's wasted a great deal of her school years slacking off and/or cheating. It may be time to consider that Annie, for all her etheric talent, may actually be below average when it comes to academics. What where is this coming from all of a sudden? Annie seems to do a decent job at drawing in other contexts, and she's pretty smart, I mean she sent Jeanne back to the Ether successfully and can speak a bazillion languages, I think it's just that MechaAngel is really hard to draw!!! Also there is no indication that her poor grades are due to inability, as much as anxiety and self-doubt. And having teachers who tend to give really really tough curricula. Just look at how Anthony had everybody sweating after his first day! |
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Post by The Anarch on May 19, 2017 22:21:47 GMT
Also... How about Annie's cut/scar kinda sorta showing up in the fifth panel, apparently because of her proximity to Kat's gadget? I don't even know what that could mean. That's not her scar. It's waaaaay too high on her face, in the wrong position, the wrong color, and the wrong size. It's just a line created by the way the light's moving or something like that. Also, Annie doesn't have a scar. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 19, 2017 23:41:45 GMT
The bots cannot see into the ether, have we had any hint on whether they even saw Kat's mecha angel form? The Seraphs groveled before Kat while Paz could see her Mecha Angel form, but we don't know what the Seraphs actually saw. They were already part of the cult by then so the groveling doesn't really mean much in itself. That is why I would dearly love to know if the bots recognize the sketch. |
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Post by puntosmx on May 20, 2017 1:06:52 GMT
An in comic drawing of the Mecha Angel... Now Kat needs to leave it laying around for Paz to stumble upon. Annie and Paz can individually believe they saw an etheric hallucination, but denial becomes a lot harder once they know someone else has seen the same thing. It is much more likely that the bots will see the sketch, but I don't know if the bots will recognize it as the Mecha Angel, and if they do, I think they will keep it to themselves. Even better, have Annie tell Kat "this thing came and said it was you", then have Kat go and tell that to Paz, who would confirm she say something similar at the cruise trip. Sorry about the double post, but as a completely separate thought... And then Coyote said... if you were interested in the story about me disguising myself as a dead goose, in a bush, next to a lake, and tricking myself into believing it; then let me tell you the story about another god who disguises herself as a girl so well she believes it and the fun I am having with that. On the bonus page, we will have Coyote finishing his story about Annie talking with Kat about Kat being a 4-th dimensional robot goddess. I am a little confused as to why this page exactly hints at Annies less than average capabilities. She can't draw? I can't draw either, especially something that I just saw for a minute and am asked to remember and draw from memory later. Kats angel Form is something that scared Zimmy to death, and it's equally terrifying to Annie, so it's entirely understandable that she also can't find words. I wish we saw more of Annies perspective in "The Other Shore", because poor Kat is right - she never gets to see the cool stuff! plus, didn't tom say in the retrospective for divine that kat's mechagod form was supposed to be a bit incomprehensible and mind boggling? "somethng which could not really be percieved in a 3d space" he said... i certainly don't blame annie for not being able to draw that I get the idea would be like Kat is rather 4th-dimensional and that's why in the image she extends outwards from the page and fuses with the background. Needs more happy trees. (youtube Bob Ross if you don't get the reference) 7/10 Needs more titanium white. I come to the thread and we're talking about Annie's schoolwork instead of the fact that ANNIE IS FINALLY CONFRONTING KAT ABOUT BEING A GIGANTIC ROBOT GOD! This is a pivotal moment! what i find most interesting (and potentially frustrating) is that annie seems to be ascribing what she saw to the device kat made rather than concluding that what she saw... was kat... i mean, it makes sense for her to not immediately think the eldritch abomination she saw was the etheric essence of her best friend when there's a weird diego inspired device she can blame. honestly it has me second guessing, is it just the device that causes that look? if kat entered the ether another way would she still look like that? except paz seems to have seen it in the torn sea... but that was in zimmy's timey wimey reality bending fog so... nothing is conclusive and it's slowly driving me to drink It might be revealed in the next few strips, as Annie says "this abomination said it was you" and Kat says "but we were in a blank room, only the three of us". Then, they'll talk about the ROTD and how it was real to Kat and Mort while it was all mirrors and smoke for Kat. ....... Or, this being GC, it won't be ever sorted out and Annie will be interrupted by a robot rebellion or something like that. Also I imagine what Annie saw when Kat picked the lock was, to her, the unmaking of the place she was in. Imagine someone solving an M.C. Escher painting like a Rubix Cube. That's my imagination of what Annie was seeing, only with a lot of Incomprehensible and Beautiful Robot Angel mixed in. Characters who need to see that drawing like now already: Robot, Paz, Coyote. Solving said painting as a Rubik Cube while standing inside the Cube at that. I almost want to kickstart a million dollars to have an animation studio work that out. Personally I'm not going to criticize Annie for her drawing. For someone with almost no drawing experience who needed to quickly scribble a representation of this ridiculous thing, I think she did pretty darn well. Let's remember that Annie does not have an eidetic memory, and it's been a while since she has seen Kat's etheric robotic form, and also the fact that the Robot God Monster cannot be perceived accurately in 3D space. For what she saw, and what she remembers, she didn't do horribly. I don't think I could accurately reproduce the...er, robot thingy...without staring at a picture of it, and I'm older and have more practice drawing than Annie does. I also don't think her drawing ability correlates to her schoolwork, and I don't think either of those correlate to her intelligence. I think it was made pretty clear in the story that Annie is not stupid or lazy; maybe she's not even untalented in the sciences. She's simply too proud to ask for help. Somehow, I'm thinking that Coyote has a similar multidimensional projection in the ether, but as he is aware of it, he is able to manipulate it in any way he chooses. Thus, he is able to manifest in the ether as flowing and expanding and holding all the stars in the sky inside his "being". Thus, his true being is masked as a flowing multidimensional but coherent form in the ether and then filtered down to a mutable 3d body in the physical world. On the other hand, Kat doesn't know the ether. As it is an alien universe that she is unable to comprehend or perceive, her full nmultidimensional being is projected raw into the ether. Her body extends, shifts and fuses with her environment, which should be highly unsettling to anybody used to the confines of a 3d world (like Annie). But man, it would be SUCH AND AWESOME sight to behold animated <3 Yes! Again! What does Reynardine have to add to all this business? Where is he and why doesn't anybody think of consulting him? Maybe he can provide with further insights into the ether. We don't know if he can see Kat in the ether in any shape or form with is not her own physical body. |
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Post by saardvark on May 20, 2017 1:51:37 GMT
The bots cannot see into the ether, have we had any hint on whether they even saw Kat's mecha angel form? The Seraphs groveled before Kat while Paz could see her Mecha Angel form, but we don't know what the Seraphs actually saw. They were already part of the cult by then so the groveling doesn't really mean much in itself. That is why I would dearly love to know if the bots recognize the sketch. The Seraphs did grovel at that point, and yet they were ordering Kat around earlier. The difference in behavior suggests that they *did* see her as something "worship-worthy", so maybe they did see the MechaAngel form (or something similarly impressive). Due to the local reality warpage caused by Zimmy, perhaps every one on board, ether-sensitive or not, could have seen the MechaAngel-Kat, but the smoke clouds shielded most from seeing the vision (except Paz). |
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Post by fanofts on May 20, 2017 3:01:00 GMT
plus, didn't tom say in the retrospective for divine that kat's mechagod form was supposed to be a bit incomprehensible and mind boggling? "somethng which could not really be percieved in a 3d space" he said... i certainly don't blame annie for not being able to draw that I get the idea would be like Kat is rather 4th-dimensional and that's why in the image she extends outwards from the page and fuses with the background. Carl Sagan explained how perplexing this would appear to lower dimensional beings here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiWKq57uAlk(Apple = Kat, Square = Annie) That's for a simple non-rotating solid. For dimensions up to six, even a simple cube will be hard to depict: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x4P65EKjt0EDIT2: This minutephysics video is better: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9sbdrPVfOQand this one on how perspective shapes reality: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHaX9asEXIoEDIT: note these are scientifically misleading, in places considerably so, only for useful for fantasy purposes: And if you really want mind-boggling: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN4KC_zlW4g and for five dimensions: www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN24Sv0qS1w |
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Post by spritznar on May 20, 2017 18:13:43 GMT
I get the idea would be like Kat is rather 4th-dimensional and that's why in the image she extends outwards from the page and fuses with the background. Carl Sagan explained how perplexing this would appear to lower dimensional beings here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiWKq57uAlkfor that plus victorian era satire, flatland is also available to read online for free at project gutenberg... |
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Post by csj on May 21, 2017 9:17:57 GMT
I'm not sure if it's an improvement on her past doodles. Speaking of which... At this rate, Annie's never going to be able to take over art duties after Tom dies. He's going to have to will his comic to another character. I'm pretty sure Zimmy and Gamma will handle it. I think Rendard is our best bet, artistically. Strangely enough, I don't think we've really seen much in the way of gifted artists in the Court... |
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Post by Corvo on May 21, 2017 9:46:33 GMT
Strangely enough, I don't think we've really seen much in the way of gifted artists in the Court... , nineteen hours after this. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 21, 2017 10:01:23 GMT
I'm not sure if it's an improvement on her past doodles. Speaking of which... I'm pretty sure Zimmy and Gamma will handle it. I think Rendard is our best bet, artistically. Strangely enough, I don't think we've really seen much in the way of gifted artists in the Court... Well, as noted before, the court is pretty biased towards hard science. John and Margo have artistic talent, though. |
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Post by puntosmx on May 21, 2017 20:55:09 GMT
Thank you for reminding me of my childhood watching Cosmos on VHS tapes :') Certainly, I wasn't thinking on that particular example, but that was kinda what I was thinking. We have seen Kat on a static, 2d image that tries to convey a much more complex idea, so we have the luxury of not dealing with moving, morphing and disappearing parts. Furthermore, we saw Kat working from her own, simplified analytical perspective. Annie left her lockpicks on the floor in that dimension, but in her own perspective Kat was a towering being emerging from the ceiling. Her hands should have shot around the whole ladnscape, altering the maze itself. I can't even begin picturing how that would have looked from that perspective. |
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Post by Storel on May 23, 2017 20:45:11 GMT
Thank you for reminding me of my childhood watching Cosmos on VHS tapes :') Certainly, I wasn't thinking on that particular example, but that was kinda what I was thinking. We have seen Kat on a static, 2d image that tries to convey a much more complex idea, so we have the luxury of not dealing with moving, morphing and disappearing parts. Furthermore, we saw Kat working from her own, simplified analytical perspective. Annie left her lockpicks on the floor in that dimension, but in her own perspective Kat was a towering being emerging from the ceiling. Her hands should have shot around the whole ladnscape, altering the maze itself. I can't even begin picturing how that would have looked from that perspective. I suspect Tom was having a similar difficulty, which is why he didn't even try to picture it. |
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